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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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saintjules

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That guy needs a medal.

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Did you see his f/u post?

 

DaGwaphics

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Do Not Quote me and do not take this as fact.

Buy what I heard second rumor and whispers. The original Lockheart plans was supposed to be discless and a streaming console hybrid. Think Half Google Stadia mets Xbox One X. Even Heard Whispers it could be Google Stadia Mets Xbox One X and maybe portable also.

But these are very Old rumors and Second Hand Whispers. So I have no clue how factual they where or are.

Hmm, so there are a lot of possibilities on the table. Everyone should definitely not grab their pitchforks just yet, interesting.
 

ethomaz

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If that's Sony's plan, it won't work out for them. PC gamers are patient and many have many years worth of backlog anyway. They'll just wait for HZD2 to come out on PC too. And mod HZD while they"re at it.
It will work for some maybe not you but that is enough for Sony.
They want to create interest to their platform from a parcel of PC users that never played their games to make they realize that is nice to have a PS5.

And I disagree PC gamers can be very impulsive depend of each one.
 
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nothing delusional about it. many are thinking the same. if exclusives are going to pc why bother with PS? on pc
I think it is delusional mainly because Hulst stated that is not going to be the case. Horizon is there just to see if they can have some people from the PC world come to the PS, and also, they're probably going to make an extra profit, which is never a bad thing. But he clearly said no day & date releases on PC. Some years down the road? Well, I guess the future will tell, but right now, he said clearly that it's not happening.
 
nothing delusional about it. many are thinking the same. if exclusives are going to pc why bother with PS? on pc
Because we don't know how far will go. We can stay here all day saying "WE KnoW WHeRe THiS GoeS" but we don't. If exclusives are the ONLY thing that kept him on PS, then he probably should have taken a PC ages ago with all the benefit with it. Consoles and PCs are not about exclusives, masses are never going to embrace PCs in the near future, it's a completely different ecosystem.
He's just enraged, that's it.
 

Kratos90

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I think it is delusional mainly because Hulst stated that is not going to be the case. Horizon is there just to see if they can have some people from the PC world come to the PS, and also, they're probably going to make an extra profit, which is never a bad thing. But he clearly said no day & date releases on PC. Some years down the road? Well, I guess the future will tell, but right now, he said clearly that it's not happening.
do you think those interested in HZD have waited 3 years? no if they were interested they already bought ps4 and played the game. yes they will get more sales from pc players but they won't get into PlayStation after playing only one game. they will wait for more games to come to pc
 

Voidout

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I think it is delusional mainly because Hulst stated that is not going to be the case. Horizon is there just to see if they can have some people from the PC world come to the PS, and also, they're probably going to make an extra profit, which is never a bad thing. But he clearly said no day & date releases on PC. Some years down the road? Well, I guess the future will tell, but right now, he said clearly that it's not happening.
Exactly, I swear I don't know why people are treating this like Sony announced the release date of their entire catalogue. He said this was a PARTICULAR case, and I am sure Playstation understands the value exclusives have on brand image and name.
 

Kratos90

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Because we don't know how far will go. We can stay here all day saying "WE KnoW WHeRe THiS GoeS" but we don't. If exclusives are the ONLY thing that kept him on PS, then he probably should have taken a PC ages ago with all the benefit with it. Consoles and PCs are not about exclusives, masses are never going to embrace PCs in the near future, it's a completely different ecosystem.
He's just enraged, that's it.
well personally i am buying ps5 day one but i wont be surprised when they start releasing exclusives a year or six monts after on pc.

Also they could have minimalise the backlash if they had given something to PS fans like specs of PS5
 

saintjules

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nothing delusional about it. many are thinking the same. if exclusives are going to pc why bother with PS? on pc

I still think it comes down to a few things. One of them is the know-how of building a custom PC with everything you need to run games at their maximum potential (I guess?) Some Consumers wouldn't know where to even start, let alone trying to obtain the funds for that never-ending investment. There's People out there waiting for $5 sales on games - I doubt they could even invest in high-end PCs.

I mean...I know little things here and there with my PC (I just put in a graphics card in their the other month for my dual monitor), but not to the point where I'd build a Computer from the ground up and game on it. Maybe it's simple - I don't know. For me, I have a PC dedicated to music production, so I personally would avoid pushing other taxing features on it.

Could you say, 'tough shit?' sure, I guess. But nothing is simpler than buying the Console at the fixed asking price, put a physical disc in or buying digital, run the game(s). Done. Also, the other question is (playing both sides of the coin), would you want to wait 3+ years for a game to come to PC, or end up having both platforms and get it once it's available? Hell, there's some games that never make it to PC. Maybe they'll come sooner. Death Stranding is showing that a game like that can make it's way to PC within a year after Console. Guess it just depends on the title.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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I dont understand this fuss about HZD coming to PC. Are people that blinded by fanatism that they feel hurt that more people will enjoy a good game?
The concern is PS fans being slighted by Sony for “betraying” them with first party games on other platforms.

Somehow a PC gamer playing a 3 year old game is a slap to the face.

The Sony exec even had to chime in with a statement saying this is experimental and fully distributing first party games on other other platforms is not a focus. The guy even starts it off saying something like “putting your mind at ease” because even he knows the news of Horizon on PC would be a wild storm or comments.
 
IMO if Sony can port games later and the get more money they should do it .
It better for the devs and the company .
PSnow is going to get better so people will be able to play them without a PS5 any way .
 
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pawel86ck

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The comparison isn't fair IMHO. If the PS2 had shipped with a HDD then its diffiencies could have been measured against the xbox in games like GTA, but with such little memory and a game that was more suited to a CPU with twice the clock, it still looks like a game that was sold on PS2 because of the install base, rather than being suited to the hardware. The xbox problem with smoke was probably because of the lack of z-buffer that was in the pc geforce 4 and the use of h/w accel w-buffer instead (that wasn't in the pc geforce 4 card). In Target 2 (in Monkeyball Deluxe) the xbox doesn't even render fog, so trying to perceive depth of ocean and platforms is impossible, making it unplayable despite the vastly greater resolution (iirc) from PS2 or cube versions.
I always thought PS2 CPU was fast because of 128-bit capabilities? You say gta wasnt a fair comparison, but it's not MS fault sony build PS2 hardware without HDD. At least GTA Vice City port on xbox looks comparable to PS2 version. I could always compare Splinter Cell games, but then PS2 hardware would look extremely bad in comparison :p.

There were impressive looking fog effects in GTA 3-VC-SA and I have only noticed performance problems in fillrate heavy scenes with a lot of smoke or rain effects, but overall gta games run much better on xbox. Solid 30fps with dips only during smoke heavy scenes on xbox was still better than constant streaming pauses and fps dips during entire game on PS2. I have played GTA games for the first time on PS2 and I was still able to enjoy them fully, but xbox ports were clearly better.
 

Neo Blaster

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I hope HZD does well on the PC so that they can port more games to the PC. I don't get why some Playstation fans are melting down at the moment.
I think what everyone wants to know is whether their games going to PC will affect their quality. The rest is just warring on a piece of plastic. I don't see myself giving up PlayStation and going to PC, I'm too old and tired about configuring and tuning PC parts, drivers and software and I love the convenience of sitting on the couch, turning on the TV and just play a game.
 
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Kratos90

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i personally feel bad for Herman hulst. i mean sure he is head of WWS but it was his decision alone. other executives also have their words in it. AND it was his birthday yesterday.
 
do you think those interested in HZD have waited 3 years? no if they were interested they already bought ps4 and played the game. yes they will get more sales from pc players but they won't get into PlayStation after playing only one game. they will wait for more games to come to pc

It is not the same case scenario playing a game 3 years after its release mainly because it wasn't on your platform of choice versus having to wait for the sequel after you played that game because it's not coming out on your platform of choice. I think it can bring some people to the PS fold. Obviously, it won't be by the millions, but I don't think it's a bad idea, and I would think, besides what Hulst said, that people at Sony positively know that a great deal of PS4's success is based on exclusives. But anyway, I guess we'll agree to disagree, no biggie :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 

Voidout

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The concern is PS fans being slighted by Sony for “betraying” them with first party games on other platforms.

Somehow a PC gamer playing a 3 year old game is a slap to the face.

The Sony exec even had to chime in with a statement saying this is experimental and fully distributing first party games on other other platforms is not a focus. The guy even starts it off saying something like “putting your mind at ease” because even he knows the news of Horizon on PC would be a wild storm or comments.
Guy literally tried his best to keep shit from stirring up. Blatantly says that porting is not the usual strategy and people still make it seem like Sonys entire catalogue is coming to PC day and date.
 

Kratos90

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It is not the same case scenario playing a game 3 years after its release mainly because it wasn't on your platform of choice versus having to wait for the sequel after you played that game because it's not coming out on your platform of choice. I think it can bring some people to the PS fold. Obviously, it won't be by the millions, but I don't think it's a bad idea, and I would think, besides what Hulst said, that people at Sony positively know that a great deal of PS4's success is based on exclusives. But anyway, I guess we'll agree to disagree, no biggie :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
again i personally have zero problem with HZD going to pc but if the do day/date in future then i am concerned
 
I think what everyone wants to know is whether their games going to PC will affect their quality. The rest is just warring on a piece of plastic. I don't see myself giving up PlayStation and going to PC, I'm too old and tired about configuring and tuning PC parts, drivers and software and I love the convenience of sitting on the couch, turning on the TV and just play a game.

I really don't see why it would effect their quality.
Maybe if they were day and date but late ports would not have that effect .
 

Neofire

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If Dreams comes to PC Sony has to enable mouse and keyboard on Playstation too or else it would split up the player base. I don't think "dreamers" on PC would create their games for controller only
They split up the base with Nioh, with no cross play, so why would people complain now?
 

pasterpl

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For me, it is such an odd behaviour....to be upset about this. I rate my current-gen platforms as follows;

1. Xbox One X - I play most on this platform
2. PS4 Pro - Sony exclusives only
3. Gaming PC - some RTS games

I don't play Xbox games that are also available on PC as for me is too much hassle and prefer console "experience". I have HZD on PS4, and even if PC version will be better I still will probably play it on PS4 - experience is different. I understand the points listed in this thread but I cannot comprehend why some Sony fanboys are so pissed.

Anyhow, any Lockhart news today? :messenger_beaming:
 

pasterpl

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4K streaming? 🤔 All the previews for XCloud have been no higher than 720p so thy have a long way to go.

I think that 720p will be the default streaming resolution for mobile. I expect it to go up to 4K when streaming via console/PC. (it is only me guessing)
 
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pawel86ck

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again i personally have zero problem with HZD going to pc but if the do day/date in future then i am concerned
Normal people who like playing games on various platforms are happy, because after all Horizon on PC will look and run better. Fanboys are crying, but Horizon is already old game and I doubt sony will port all their exclusive games day one from now on. So people still will be forced to buy playstation just to play sony exclusives, and who will want to wait 3-4 years just to be able to play playstation ports on PC? :p
 
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