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[Ogbert]

Pretty much what I expected. X will now be the significantly better machine in terms of performance.

Will all come down to price.

 

[AgentP]

I play mainly 3rd party games anyway, so XSX is the one for me.

Plus, the info they've released has all been building the hype. This why Sony have been quiet. Was hoping they'd be so similar in specs, but XSX is already winning in these early rounds. Much more to go though.

Well MS is winning the "win over the dumb asses who fall for single number that try to capture the performance of a complex system" crowd. PS3 has TF superiority too. Bottlenecks exists throughout a system, whoever can address the keys ones and win devs over will do best for actually game performance.

 

[transformer]

I’m surprised how much more powerful the xbox is. I thought PS5 would be closer. Still great specs for both machines. Now the main question is price.

 

[SentientStone]

That PS5 SSD is double the thrusting speed, though the Xbox is longer and thicker.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

They are banking hard on that SSD.

Not sure it make sense considering it's the thing you have least control over when building mutiplatform games.

PS5 is double the speed.

That's fine with me. I'll take SeX's better specs for everything else.

If a PS5 game loads in 3 seconds, I can handle waiting 6 second on SeX.

 

[Gamernyc78]

So now that it's clear they aimed for 9TF to start I wonder what the odds of a Pro is in 3 years.

They played it too conservative this time around IMO. Will be interesting to see what the preorders are like between XSX and PS5 in a few months. Only big plus for them is if they can hit an unexpectedly low price like $349.

Another big plus for gaming in general is I was going strictly psv if they were both 12 or psv was stronger, now I'm getting both due to Xbox having tht edge.

 

[Lionel Richie]

All this yet the PS5 will still outsell it.

MS moto:

if you can’t beat them, then out spec them.

Are you from the future friend?

 

[tflopsmatter]

I believed that Sony will give us faster than xbox system, I were wrong.

But still, I understand their logic. Maybe it is true that less CUs with much higher clocks = plain TFLOP count doesnt tell the whole story.

I just fear that it is hot as fuck and noisy.

SSD is definetly better than on xsex, 3d audio sounds really interesting.

And this just shows that Sony will probably win the gen even when MS moneyspams their way to better specs

The truth is that running a GPU so fast and hot is ridiculous and they are only doing so to save money. The only advantage the PS5 has is the slightly faster SSD but what does it matter if a game loads in one second instead of two? The PS5 is a weaker system in every regard than the XBox Series X.

 

[Danjin44]

Only 10.2 Tflops? Oh the humanity, now where I'm gonna play Persona 6!? Surely with Xbox's superior powers it gonna magically going to get those games....right?

 

[GamingKaiju]

The price will make or break the PS5. Most rember the $599.99 dollars from the PS3 reveal so who knows what Sony are thinking.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I totally agree. Sony just handed the generation over to microsoft. Yes, there will be some good looking games on the PS5 but the system is no where close to a generational leap. I think games will look FAR better on the Xbox.

Lol. Games and sales will speak. I think Playstation has gone strong since 2010 and I doubt Xbox can catch up ever

 

[Dontero]

You need to understand that PS4 10TF are not the same as XSX 12TF. They clock higher with less CUs which means more power. MS would have to get around 20TF to match what they are doing with PS5.

 

[KlickKlack]

2.23Ghz for GPU?? Are they retarded?

no they are desperate

 

[Old Empire.]

My lord, what the actual fuck

CPU heavy games, like open world will suffer. Third party devs will have to make for both consoles. Xbox first party thats not an issue!

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Sony fucked up by not showing games. That should've been their redeeming factor.
Sometimes they're complete idiots. Lol

It's the GDC presentation.

Unrealistic expectations are unrealistic.

 

[Gp1]

You guys are overreacting HARD.

Is closer to XOXOBOXX (jezzz ms get someone to do that branding mojo) than the ps4 pro is to xbox one X. If they price the PS5 at a 100 USD lower than the MS conter part, i see this taking the lead (specially at this time)

The diference in performance is negligible at best

At least now i know what i have to buy in order to upgrade my pc.

 

[longdi]

This is a total failure in every way.

It has a 9.2TF GPU which can be overclocked to 10.3.

It doesn't even list the amount of RAM.

It has a CPU frequency lower than the XBox Series X.

It's raytracing seems to be no better than what comes with RDNA.

Sony has launched a gimped console.

If it doesn't have multithreading, then it's even worse.

Well even their SSD is using gimped nvme1.4 specs.
My pcie4 ssd already reaches 5gb, nvme1.3
By years end, nvme 1.4 have 7gbs.

Shit show.

 

[Senua]

A decent number, I'm just wondering how they are going to keep it cool and quiet with that GPU clock!

 

[Skyr]

I’m worried that next gen is going to be a lot of “4k/60 on XsX, 4k/30 on PS5.”

I was hoping for at least 11 TF. I’m a little disappointed

I doubt that. I think it will show in resolution. Sub 4k/dynamic on PS5. I'm sure DF will uncover that as usual.

 

[Old Empire.]

You need to understand that PS4 10TF are not the same as XSX 12TF. They clock higher with less CUs which means more power. MS would have to get around 20TF to match what they are doing with PS5.

Don't be silly.

 

[Holammer]

If your diet consists mainly of Activision, EA and Ubisoft games, Xbox is your best option.

 

[MilkyJoe]

It's actually 1.8 TF difference (10.28 to 12.155) in a best case scenario.

Or one whole PS4 of extra power...

Ironic...

 

[alucard0712_rus]

I'm personally very interested in 3d audio. Dolby Atmos is amazing but this will be miles better. Hope it can put you "in the game".

 

[JAMMA]

I only ask that you all take a knee.

 

[Jimmyisback]

Team github. Can I get a hell yeah!

 

[GlassAwful]

What a fucking failure.

A year of hyping just to get thoroughly dumped on by MS two days earlier. It feels like reverse 2013... VR, VR, VR! Audio, Audio, Audio!...

Variable frequencies to try and close the power gap that no dev will be able to use.... No full BC. Many things they talked about were still in work.. Not a single demo of a technological feature....

I can't believe those smug github shits turned out right. Insiders were all full of shit.

They were really going to try and release an 8 teraflop machine last year weren't they? This is what they pivoted to?

2020 continues to be the shittiest year in over a decade. Disappointed.

 

[wenaldy]

Finally, now im just waiting fot the games and the initial price

 

[Kagey K]

what's the difference in dragon ball power level scaling?

Goku vs Krillin (Maybe Yamcha)

 

[Kacho]

I’m worried that next gen is going to be a lot of “4k/60 on XsX, 4k/30 on PS5.”

I was hoping for at least 11 TF. I’m a little disappointed

I doubt 60fps will be the norm on either console

 

[GamerEDM]

this thread gone be gud *grabs popcorn

 

[sixamp]

Xbox wins he power on paper but will lose the price war. 10.28 VS 12.1 means nothing . It's just a talking point. There may be like 5-10 frame difference. Both consoles are a huge leap over last gen .

 

[Gamernyc78]

I totally agree. Sony just handed the generation over to microsoft. Yes, there will be some good looking games on the PS5 but the system is no where close to a generational leap. I think games will look FAR better on the Xbox.

Check sales thread in two years then come back. Your hyperbole and sense how the gaming landscape work are way off.

 

[Jimmyisback]

2.23Ghz for GPU?? Are they retarded?

9.2 TF was real. Sony just did last minute clocks to 2.23 but that's not sustainable. That's just boost speed at certain times.

 

[TheMan]

welp, I guess the Sex wins the stats wars. As I've said before Sony has had the leg up with first party titles, but who knows how that could change in the next few years. That, plus the promise of full back compt, better performing third party titles...

Things are looking good for MS. Not surprising given that these things tend to flip flop from gen to gen.

 

[FireFly]

I'm not saying what does or doesn't matter, I'm pointing out how the github leaks were incorrect. Not really difficult to understand. You seem obsessed with back-patting yourself so have fun. I'm not the console warrior you're looking for.

As I understand it, the github leaks were for an in development APU, so they weren't ever supposed to reflect the clocks of the final product. The real question is if they really came from the PS5 APU, not if the clocks match what is shipping in the final product.

 

[ViciousAgenda]

Very disappointing showing.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

You need to understand that PS4 10TF are not the same as XSX 12TF. They clock higher with less CUs which means more power. MS would have to get around 20TF to match what they are doing with PS5.

dude what the fuck is this? You’ve posted this twice

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Why are people still trying to justify their original 9tf predictions?

Goodness, I'm not excited for the system but the console warring is getting too obvious. It's 10.2 flops. It's RDNA 2. So-called insiders were wrong about half of it and right about the other half.

None of the insiders were correct. Variable clock rate more or less tells the story of what's actually taking place. We heard numbers exceeding Series X from insiders, we heard CU counts matching or exceeding Series X also. Nobody was acknowledging the 36 CU count was real. Mark Cerny confirmed that the console WILL perform at lower clock speeds, thus lowering that peak theoretical max TF number. Even if he says it will mostly always operate at the higher figure, most will find that hard to believe. Variable on both the CPU and the GPU and there is a case where power is used from the CPU to help give more power to the GPU... I don't know. It sounds like a crazy tug of war between CPU and GPU unlike what takes place on the PC. It's flipped on its head and it does not sound ideal at all.

I don't believe Sony is that crazy. Hence I think, like any company would, we are just being given some PR to paper over a disadvantage. I'm hyper interested in learning more about their SSD though. I like how that sounds.

 

[Arun1910]

PS5 - $500
XBSX - $600

Those seem perfect to me. Don't see Sony pushing the $500 mark and if Microsoft push $600 its a big ask.

 

[Filippos]

9.2 TF was real. Sony just did last minute clocks to 2.23 but that's not sustainable. That's just boost speed at certain times.

what the actual fuck... this is a huge fail.

 

[GHG]

10TFLOPS is not enough for VR at all.

This is the huge sticking point for me.

Looking at the spec sheets you would think the Xbox is the one better equipped for VR but yet they have 0 support and no plans to have any.

The only way the SSD speeds can offset that for VR is if they lean hard on foveated rendering (they would need eye tracking) and push developers in that direction.

 

[kikonawa]

I’m worried that next gen is going to be a lot of “4k/60 on XsX, 4k/30 on PS5.”

I was hoping for at least 11 TF. I’m a little disappointed

how that, if the ps5 is 90% aprox of xsx?

 

[longdi]

Gimped nvme 1.4 ssd specs too.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

Anyone watching this and not thinking Sony were completely caught with their tech pants down by Microsofts determination not to be bested in hardware specs, is deluded.

...It begs the question just how much weaker the PS5 would have been had Microsoft not given them advance notice over the last 3mths, to revise their GPU clock speeds, which they almost certainly have, to boost it to 10.2Tf.


Neither Sony or Microsoft would choose to start a new generation with significantly weaker hardware.

Couldn't agree more, feels like they really dropped the ball this time around, the 2.23 clocking for the GPU gives it away, that itself kind of gives it away that they've clocked it higher to get to double figures.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Changed your tune...

No. How are you not understanding what I am saying? I don't believe that 2 SKUs indicates a Pro version in 2-3 yrs. The PS5 now is probably the "Pro" version and the lower end SKU hasn't been announced yet.

 

[MilkyJoe]

You need to understand that PS4 10TF are not the same as XSX 12TF. They clock higher with less CUs which means more power. MS would have to get around 20TF to match what they are doing with PS5.

 

[NT80]

The difference between PS4 & Xbox One = .6tf
Xbox Series X vs PS5 = 2TF.

Yikes.

But if there's just 1 PS5 system and the XSX is the much higher end of 2 that was to be expected. If the PS5 as with the last two gens targets the highest viable resolution (4K in this case) only some of the time and you get a range of resolutions from 1440p and 1800p to 4K will it actually perform better? A mid gen PS5 refresh that comes out later targeting native 4K 60fps in everything might be better than XSX doing Lockhart game in 4K 60fps from the start.

 

[M1chl]

9.2 TF was real. Sony just did last minute clocks to 2.23 but that's not sustainable. That's just boost speed at certain times.

I understand that, but with this you have less mm2 of APU, so it's going to run even hotter... This is why Turing from nVidia are mostly power bound not temperature bound, because die is large... This is exactly the thing which I was afraid of, well I am still. Because Sony cooling solution was always really terrible...

 

[tflopsmatter]

This comparison makes it clear that the PS5 is not a true geneational leap. I can't believe that the bandwidth is even less on the PS5. BTW, this is NOT a 10.3TF console. It's a 9.2TF console that can sometimes reach 10.3TF when it's overclocked. I also can't believe that they are not trying to boost the small, fast, and insanely hot GPU with more RAM or something. I'm literally dying on the inside. I've never watched a console presentation that made me so angry that I didn't want to finish it until today. I want to make it clear that I apologize to EVERYONE that I mocked and ridiculed for believing in GitHub. They were totally correct. I deserve disdain and ridicule for every comment I made. I hereby allow any and all negative comments to be made at me. Moderators, even if people curse at me, please do not stop them. I deserve every word for my idiocy.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

None of the insiders were correct. Variable clock rate more or less tells the story of what's actually taking place. We heard numbers exceeding Series X from insiders, we heard CU counts matching or exceeding Series X also. Nobody was acknowledging the 36 CU count was real. Mark Cerny confirmed that the console WILL perform at lower clock speeds, thus lowering that peak theoretical max TF number. Even if he says it will mostly always operate at the higher figure, most will find that hard to believe. Variable on both the CPU and the GPU and there is a case where power is used from the CPU to help give more power to the GPU... I don't know. It sounds like a crazy tug of war between CPU and GPU unlike what takes place on the PC. It's flipped on its head and it does not sound ideal at all.

I don't believe Sony is that crazy. Hence I think, like any company would, we are just being given some PR to paper over a disadvantage. I'm hyper interested in learning more about their SSD though. I like how that sounds.

As I understand it, the github leaks were for an in development APU, so they weren't ever supposed to reflect the clocks of the final product. The real question is if they really came from the PS5 APU, not if the clocks match what is shipping in the final product.

The thread is soaring so I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to explain.