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[thelastword]

Any idea what cerny meant with 825gb is the most natural size on a 12ch interface

825GB satisfies their 12 channels, they could go higher but it would be orders of magnitude more expensive......People keep saying XSX has 1TB, but fail to mention it's so much slower for the extra 200GB......5.5Gb/s uncmpressed with a superior decompression tool in Kraken vs 2.4Gb/s on Series X.....Should be telling enough....

Cerny vs Raindeer.....Fight

Cerny clearly stated that achieving 4TFs by less CUs high clock is better than more CUs low clock

My money is on Reindeer in this fight.... …...I'd take him over Cerny to build the PS5 tbh.....

 

[Reindeer]

Yes, one of the leading company in the sound/music field. Yet XSX gonna used the old gen 3D that's been introduced to PS4 4 years ago but use ray tracing when heard about it from Sony:

Seriously, are you really that excited for slightly better sound that you want even fell unless you spend decent money on equipment? Or you just trolling?

 

[Reindeer]

My money is on Reindeer in this fight.... …...I'd take him over Cerny to build the PS5 tbh.....

I would have built you a 13 tflop beast with slightly slower SSD, but enjoy your faster SSD. Never seen people get excited over SSD until PS5, kinda reminds me of Apple and how easily their followers are swayed in their opinion

 

[Bo_Hazem]

tbh, Ceryn’s entire talk was pretty much the same thing except more techno-articulate.

it was clear, from his use of language, that most of what he was presenting was an attempt to downplay the glaring difference between the consoles.

its VERY obvious that they expect ps5 to operate at 2.0ghz and 9.2 tflops most of the time, hence why they tested it as such on github. This variable clock nonsense was mumbo jumbo they added later so they could claim 10.3 without being sued. Ps5 is a 9.2 tflop console in reality.

This SSD business is all fine and dandy but it wont show up in-game as a massive improvement over the xsx drive. 2.4gbs is more than enough for everything Cerny claimed the ps5 ssd can do. The problem here is that users will only end up with about 600gb of space to use and cant expand that for a few years untill the pc space catches up in speed, and when it does you are looking at $300. It was a poor decision. casual users will be infuriated with such low storage and having to delete games constantly. They certainly wont want to blow $300 on extra storage

 

[-Arcadia-]

When was the final PS4 design revealed in relation to its release date?

Im wondering why we don’t know what the PS5 look like yet, is that normal for this timeframe pre-release? Could it still be in development (the final look, not the specs)?

I think we're on track with the last time out? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the physical form of the PS4 was unveiled at E3 before it's release in the fall, I'm pretty sure. Lots of things have changed, including E3, but it seems like a possibility to see the casing this summer.

 

[JLMC469]

Let’s be honest, if it were the other way around, a lot of people who were posting before would be coming out of their caves .

 

[WhispersintheWind]

Recent examples? For 3rd party I honestly don't know, but then again I haven't actually gone around looking for examples. If I had the time, chances are I could find a few. For 1st party I think it's generally a given; look at the results of games like Days Gone, GOW4, or the upcoming TLOU2. It's probably safe to say they all utilize some GPGPU capabilities of the PS4 hardware since they're 1st party and have the privilege of doing so.

I think we should probably hold off a bit before even claiming MS is going gung-ho on cross-gen support. Plans might've changed on that note. And IIRC Booty's comment was at E3 2019, so I'm guessing it was applicable to games coming that summer through to summer of 2021.

I doubt most 3rd parties will leverage the very specific strengths of either system tbh, just as you, but I've been talking about this stuff in terms of what the 1st party teams can potentially do, because they'll have the leeway and support to do so. Most of the time, there'll be feature parity and maybe some resolution differences, again as you've said.

Theoretically yes, dropping resolution on a 36 CU GPU should allow for a push of 1st party games at parity to a 52 CU including in terms of compute, since the two systems are essentially using the exact same architectures. But I figure it would depend on how the game is using the GPU and for what resolution methods. For example if the game's tying resolution range to be inter-dependent on model polygonal complexity and distance from the player, dropping resolution might also drop the complexity of the character model, which could be very noticeable the closer they are to the player's character.

A quick example of the possibilities, anyway.

I Don’t think you would have to drop resolution. It’s a 10TF Rdna 2 GPU with Mesh Texture hardware built in. You might lower polygon count on some items rendered in a scene and more VRS. I don’t think early on this gen will be a case of lowering resolution. That’s not including What advantages PS5 SSD will give. As I believe 3rd party will use the raw SSD speed of PS5 and the compressed SSD of Xbox Series X. Which will be good for all.

In the End Xbox Series is the more powerful system and well thought out. Sony took a more customized creative route. If Sony’s vision is correct with their design. PS5 will be a great system.

I’m looking forward to purchasing both on Day One minus potential a shortage of them.

 

[SonGoku]

We get to use a third party drive if we want, but for less technically adept people who don't know their SATA's from their NVMe's it's as simple as going into a shop or online and searching for a "PS5 drive" and knowing it will work. Plus as I mentioned, the availability of third party drives around launch sounds a bit sketchy and at least having a proprietary option their as a baseline helps.

Since Sony is working closely with these 3rd party devs receiving early samples and such i think the certified drives will sport a PS5 certified logo. Just like many electronics have that designed for windows logo

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Seriously, are you really that excited for slightly better sound that you want even fell unless you spend decent money on equipment? Or you just trolling?

Already have Astro A40 with its mixer, aiming for the next PS headset wireless as my daughter thinks pulling my wires is some kind of fun.

Might go for the new Sony WH-1000MX4 if it's 100% compatible with PS5, and it should, or pick the new PS headest.

I spend 99.99% of my time on PC and PS4 with a headset or small headphones on PC. Sound quality is a huge thing to me.

 

[Reindeer]

I Don’t think you would have to drop resolution. It’s a 10TF Rdna 2 GPU with Mesh Texture hardware built in. You might lower polygon count on some items rendered in a scene and more VRS. I don’t think early on this gen will be a case of lowering resolution. That’s not including What advantages PS5 SSD will give.

In the End Xbox Series is the more powerful system and well thought out. Sony took a more customized creative route. If Sony’s vision is correct with their design. PS5 will be a great system.

I’m looking forward to purchasing both on Day One minus potential a shortage of them.

In case of shortage just stock up toilet paper so you can trade for those who are in desperate need of it.

 

[Agnostic2020]

tbh, Ceryn’s entire talk was pretty much the same thing except more techno-articulate.

it was clear, from his use of language, that most of what he was presenting was an attempt to downplay the glaring difference between the consoles.

its VERY obvious that they expect ps5 to operate at 2.0ghz and 9.2 tflops most of the time, hence why they tested it as such on github. This variable clock nonsense was mumbo jumbo they added later so they could claim 10.3 without being sued. Ps5 is a 9.2 tflop console in reality.

This SSD business is all fine and dandy but it wont show up in-game as a massive improvement over the xsx drive. 2.4gbs is more than enough for everything Cerny claimed the ps5 ssd can do. The problem here is that users will only end up with about 600gb of space to use and cant expand that for a few years untill the pc space catches up in speed, and when it does you are looking at $300. It was a poor decision. casual users will be infuriated with such low storage and having to delete games constantly. They certainly wont want to blow $300 on extra storage

Give me a break dude. Typical xbox fanboy nonsense talking still about github.

Get over it dude . Ps5 is between 10.08 to 10.28 to adjust the power consumption for cooling system so it doesn't sound loud. Its minute 35 to 39 if u wanna watch what he says .

Xsx has 17 to 19% gpu advantage and 8 to 9 % advatage in cpu . Now lets see which machine has less bottle neck to constantly use the peak performance

 

[CatLady]

Has this already been posted? Update on PS5 BC.

UPDATE: A quick update on backward compatibility – With all of the amazing games in PS4’s catalog, we’ve devoted significant efforts to enable our fans to play their favorites on PS5. We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5.

We’re expecting backward compatible titles will run at a boosted frequency on PS5 so that they can benefit from higher or more stable frame rates and potentially higher resolutions. We’re currently evaluating games on a title-by-title basis to spot any issues that need adjustment from the original software developers.

In his presentation, Mark Cerny provided a snapshot into the Top 100 most-played PS4 titles, demonstrating how well our backward compatibility efforts are going. We have already tested hundreds of titles and are preparing to test thousands more as we move toward launch. We will provide updates on backward compatibility, along with much more PS5 news, in the months ahead. Stay tuned!

That's way, WAY better than it sounded in Cerny's presentation. Sounds like the whole PS4 catalogue will be BC and possibly even with upgrades. Excellent news for PS fans.

I know some people say they don't care about BC, but there are whole lot of others that are very interested in it. Myself I freaking love and use a LOT.

 

[Reindeer]

Give me a break dude. Typical xbox fanboy nonsense talking still about github.

Get over it dude . Ps5 is between 10.08 to 10.28 to adjust the power consumption for cooling system so it doesn't sound loud. Its minute 35 to 39 if u wanna watch what he says .

Xsx has 17 to 19% gpu advantage and 8 to 9 % advatage in cpu . Now lets see which machine has less bottle neck to constantly use the peak performance

How did you get that 10.8 tflop number? Tales From My Arse?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I would have built you a 13 tflop beast with slightly slower SSD, but enjoy your faster SSD. Never seen people get excited over SSD until PS5, kinda reminds me of Apple and how easily their followers are swayed in their opinion

You only need to know the Xbox is running Windows to make you think twice. I was always reading and hearing about screen tearing, never seen that in personal usage, it's a problem on Windows and Xbox One X. Yup. I expect funny thing from crappy Windows

 

[David Ricardo]

How did you get that 10.8 tflop number? Tales From My Arse?

From Cernys comment about 2% less frequency reducing power consumption by 10%.

 

[Agnostic2020]

How did you get that 10.8 tflop number? Tales From My Arse?

Lol its called math . 2% drop in clock means clock of gpu drops to 2185 mhz.
Tf= 36 ×2185×64×2=10.08tf

Also learn to talk respectfully if you want me to reply to you respectfully next time .

Ciao

 

[Reindeer]

You only need to know the Xbox is running Windows to make you think twice. I was always reading and hearing about screen tearing, never seen that in personal usage, it's a problem on Windows and Xbox One X. Yup. I expect funny thing from crappy Windows

Pretty sure they said tearing will be gone with Series X, but you were probably too busy making your "Xbox sucks" memes .

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Let’s be honest, if it were the other way around, a lot of people who were posting before would be coming out of their caves .

Because people trust Sony's talent and a veteran like Mark Cerny, so anything he makes is trusted. In that case, he will not make a mini fridge, but probably that ass-shaped console.

 

[ethomaz]

That's way, WAY better than it sounded in Cerny's presentation. Sounds like the whole PS4 catalogue will be BC and possibly even with upgrades. Excellent news for PS fans.

I know some people say they don't care about BC, but there are whole lot of others that are very interested in it. Myself I freaking love and use a LOT.

Cerny said the same at presentation

People got septic due the PS.Blog words after the video presentation.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Pretty sure they said tearing will be gone with Series X, but you were probably too busy making your "Xbox sucks" memes .

Well, it's a Windows thing. Thought Google will man up and make a proper OS for PC, but I overestimated them.

 

[ethomaz]

How did you get that 10.8 tflop number? Tales From My Arse?

Read again he never said 10.8 lol
You made up that number... tales from your arse?

 

[geordiemp]

How did you get that 10.8 tflop number? Tales From My Arse?

He listened to what was said rather than just trolling. And you ?

 

[Reindeer]

Lol its called math . 2% drop in clock means clock of gpu drops to 2185 mhz.
Tf= 36 ×2185×64×2=10.08tf

Also learn to talk respectfully if you want me to reply to you respectfully next time .

Ciao

You doing your calculation without taking into account CPU that will also work in variable frequency. And we don't even know how SmartShift works yet, so all of this is just assumptions. I saw you liking comments where certain individuals were speaking to others with disrespect so I didn't know you value respect that much, sorry.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Well, it's a Windows thing. Thought Google will man up and make a proper OS for PC, but I overestimated them.

In 2019 millions people were believing Stadia would end consoles.
It seems it's a mistake people always do.

 

[Reindeer]

He listed to what was said rather than just trolling. And you ?

That's a hoax number without taking into consideration CPU and how the whole thing works.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Let's calm down friends, we are having fun

 

[Agnostic2020]

You doing your calculation without taking into account CPU that will also work in variable frequency. And we don't even know how SmartShift works yet, so all of this is just assumptions. I saw you liking comments where certain individuals were speaking to others with disrespect so I don't know you value respect that much, sorry.

If gpu drops cpu is at full force and vice versa .
I m not talking disrespectful with you .am I? So if I m not then keep it that way if u want to be talked to respectfully, simple.dont assume things sweetheart

 

[geordiemp]

That's a hoax number without taking into consideration CPU and how the whole thing works.

Your sources ? Cerny said a drop of 2 %...

Or should we believe a Xbox troll on Neogaf.....mmm....let me think about that.

If you want to debate the facts that were presented / fine. But making stuff up is just crap man.

 

[Kusarigama]

No... That had everything to do with the change from composite to component. The PS2 had a chip to directly play the PS1 games. No 'upgrading' of the game took place. The PS3 requiring the emulate PS1 games, sort of advertised doing that, but in practice.... Yeah;


Compare that to this;


Sony is only now going in this direction, where either developers or a BC team manually do some changes to improve the graphics. The Xbox is simply ahead in this regard.

Fun With Backwards Compatibility - IGN

Some of the most common questions we get concerning how the PlayStation…

www.ign.com

Don't make stuff up with saying it was due to change from composite to component. PS2 had option to allow smoothing of the rougher appearing PS1 game textures. Refer the linked article from ign under texture smoothing.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

That's way, WAY better than it sounded in Cerny's presentation. Sounds like the whole PS4 catalogue will be BC and possibly even with upgrades. Excellent news for PS fans.

I know some people say they don't care about BC, but there are whole lot of others that are very interested in it. Myself I freaking love and use a LOT.

Well, it kind of sounds like a proper BC for PS4, so yeah, far better than 1% BC.

 

[ethomaz]

You doing your calculation without taking into account CPU that will also work in variable frequency. And we don't even know how SmartShift works yet, so all of this is just assumptions. I saw you liking comments where certain individuals were speaking to others with disrespect so I don't know you value respect that much, sorry.

Cerny words > your baseless hate talk.

 

[kyliethicc]

I will buy PS5 but "overwhelming majority" is hilarious. How a majority is overwhelming?

its used a lot in US politics to indicate like 60-70%. If it was gonna be any higher than 70%, they’d just say “most or almost all”

 

[Reindeer]

Your sources ? Cerny said a drop of 2 %...

Or should we believe a Xbox troll on Neogaf.....mmm....let me think about that.

If you want to debate the facts that were presented / fine. But making stuff up is just crap man.

Facts? Yiu don't even know what you talking about. This convo was about GPU, but Cerny was talking about system as whole. Next time before you join a convo at least know what's being discussed SMH.

 

[Shio]

The guy said in the video that PS5 is far more advanced in tech than Series X and that Series X is more prone to bottlenecks . The denial is strong with this one.

I think it will be difficult to highlight bottlenecks until we see real games andhow developers use and push the systems

 

[pasterpl]

PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X: Console Face-Off

We reviewed both systems. Here is how they compare.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

its used a lot in US politics to indicate like 60-70%. If it was gonna be any higher than 70%, they’d just say “most or almost all”

You learn something new every day, thanks.

 

[geordiemp]

Facts? Yiu don't even know what you talking about. This convo was about GPU, but Cerny was talking about system as whole. Next time before you join a convo at least know what's being discussed SMH.

Keep waring away little warrior - hope you get paid for this rubbish..

By the way, what pleasure do you get just trolling all the time, does it make you happy being a loser ?

 

[Reindeer]

If gpu drops cpu is at full force and vice versa .
I m not talking disrespectful with you .am I? So if I m not then keep it that way if u want to be talked to respectfully, simple.dont assume things sweetheart

You so respectful that you now call me sweetheart? Lol, cut the bullshit. You agree with disrespectful replies but want people to be nice to you and then proceed to insults at first opportunity. Whatever Trevor.

 

[Reindeer]

Cerny words > your baseless hate talk.

.

 

[01011001]

That's way, WAY better than it sounded in Cerny's presentation. Sounds like the whole PS4 catalogue will be BC and possibly even with upgrades. Excellent news for PS fans.

I know some people say they don't care about BC, but there are whole lot of others that are very interested in it. Myself I freaking love and use a LOT.

uhm... that doesn't sound that great to me and not even close to "the whole PS4 catalogue"

let's break this down shall we?
a Majority is 51% or more, "overwhelming" is a subjective term, this could literally mean anything from say, 70% to 99%.
now let's ask ourselves why, if it would be close to 90% or above, Sony didn't say "about 90%" or "more than 80%/90%", because both of these sound better than "overwhelming majority" or "vast majority" or anything similar.

PR speech is always designed to make the product sound as good as possible without the risk of getting caught lying. always remember that. a "Overwhelming Majority" has no set definition, and therefore is a save thing to say. even if the final number will disappoint many, you didn't lie... it's a majority and overwhelming is not a precise term. no one can call it a lie if it's at least about 70% I would say.

 

[Agnostic2020]

You so respectful that you now call me sweetheart? Lol, cut the bullshit. You agree with disrespectful replies but want people to be nice to you and then proceed to insults at first opportunity. Whatever Trevor.

You create alternative realities lol I didn't insult anyone yet here we are.anyways putting you on block till u learn human interaction

 

[kareemna]

You seriously think that variable frequency on ps5 is like a boost mode on pc and will occasionally hit those targets?

 

[Reindeer]

You create alternative realities lol I didn't insult anyone yet here we are.anyways putting you on block till u learn human interaction

I'm sorry you got triggered, sweetheart.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You seriously think that variable frequency on ps5 is like a boost mode on pc and will occasionally hit those targets?

It's not like PC nor phones. It'll use the same power, but push more towards CPU +2% and taxing GPU, or the other way around, or if the room is pretty hot it'll cut 10% power by 2% from either performance.

 

[ethomaz]

PlayStation 5 vs Xbox Series X: Console Face-Off

We reviewed both systems. Here is how they compare.

www.tomshardware.com

How biased you is when...

SSD = Maybe win to PS5
Games = Maybe win to Xbox

lol

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

It's not like PC nor phones. It'll use the same power, but push more towards CPU +2% and taxing GPU, or the other way around, or if the room is pretty hot it'll cut 10% power by 2% from either performance.

Better memorize that shit I tell ya.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

So many assumptions.

So few facts.

So many spinning narratives.

Can't wait until we have everything on both of these machines.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Better memorize that shit I tell ya.

Easy method, doesn't need deep math

 

[ethomaz]

So many assumptions.

So few facts.

So many spinning narratives.

Can't wait until we have everything on both of these machines.

The best I read today...

I have 4 SSDs and I know how it works