SleepDoctor
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No wonder you're so upset
.Brute force would be overclocking tf out of your gpu just to squeeze out an extra tf lol. Sorry attempt at trolling and reported.
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Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet
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No wonder you're so upset
.Brute force would be overclocking tf out of your gpu just to squeeze out an extra tf lol. Sorry attempt at trolling and reported.
Dory16
Banned
They stated most powerful and they're not speaking about the Xbox One X, it's a clear shot at the competition but with a safeguard. I'm done entertaining your disingenuous spin.
You're right, they have the same power that's why Spencer says in interviews that he felt great when the PS5 specs were unveiled.
MaulerX
Member
Read the fine print. They’re advertising it as their Most Powerful Xbox, they’re not advertising it as the most powerful next-gen console.
Why did you crop the picture to get rid of the headline? It clearly says The most powerful console ever
Of course it's the most powerful Xbox ever. One statement does not disqualify the other.
Tamy
Banned
why he cropped that? because it wouldn't fit his narrative.
TheTechnician
Banned
not ging to go off on people from either side..
but the Concept of Sony being bamboozled by MS and caught on the wrong foot is abstruse to me...
they produced with the PS4 a System wich not only was miles ahead from the competition in terms of tech for emidiate usage on games. No they even prepared the System to be VR ready at a time nobody realy thought about it. Palmer Luckey did start in 2011 with his research.
that was when Sony already was planning to bring the funktionality to PS4.
And some expect the same Team to produce a fuckup even when they came out of this Gen with a sales advantage of more than 2:1 .
The higher Levels at Sony clearly had the impression that the Power and the capabilitys of their system was key to this Gen. Not only MS new Definition to a PR Clusterfuck. So there was no reason , absolutly NO REASON for the Suit wearers to go to Cerny and tell him to make it cheap and weak this time lol..
And another Thing besides that, specificly takles the "Sony caught of Guard" Narrative:
Actually MS did that Mistake when they concepted the Xbox One.
They took the Tf of the Xbox 360 and made the new System 10 times more powerfull. generally a feasable concept.
But in a world where your competion had the much stronger system -( and the PS3 WAS stronger but needed alot more dev time to make use of the complicated cell , wich third partys most time would not do) you need also consider what kind of aproach would they do.
Turnt out that of course Sony dident used the power narrative of the PS360 Gen where the stronger system looked most times weaker to calculate the new systems power.
Of course they used their specssheet of PS3 and made their new System 10 times more powerfull than that.
THIS is the Mistake that happend that time in MS Development Lab.
They should have anticipated this approach from Sony but dident.
And so was it that the power difference on Paper of the PS360 Gen was the blueprint for the Power differential in this Gen.
Sony and Cerny for shure did not make this Mistake and especially after the Xbox One X it was clear that MS will be aiming at a doubleling in Tf..
So Sonys approach to a "only" 36CU was well planed by its Hardwareteam around Cerny.
They used the resources to produce a System wich is full of surounding tech and features wich in sum will be more than enough to counter Xbox Xs capabilitys.
There will be no Xbox One Situation for Sony!
Everyone who believes that will lose his soul and composure at Sonys PS5 Blowout.
Always respect the Enemy. MS learned it the hard way.
You dont need to!
with that being said - my Day 1 system will be PS5.
But at April 2021 i collect my Bonus and then the powerfull Xbox X will be MINE aswell !
ps : pls consider to watch my post here - worked something out on wich i liked to have your opinions on.
www.neogaf.com
but the Concept of Sony being bamboozled by MS and caught on the wrong foot is abstruse to me...
they produced with the PS4 a System wich not only was miles ahead from the competition in terms of tech for emidiate usage on games. No they even prepared the System to be VR ready at a time nobody realy thought about it. Palmer Luckey did start in 2011 with his research.
that was when Sony already was planning to bring the funktionality to PS4.
And some expect the same Team to produce a fuckup even when they came out of this Gen with a sales advantage of more than 2:1 .
The higher Levels at Sony clearly had the impression that the Power and the capabilitys of their system was key to this Gen. Not only MS new Definition to a PR Clusterfuck. So there was no reason , absolutly NO REASON for the Suit wearers to go to Cerny and tell him to make it cheap and weak this time lol..
And another Thing besides that, specificly takles the "Sony caught of Guard" Narrative:
Actually MS did that Mistake when they concepted the Xbox One.
They took the Tf of the Xbox 360 and made the new System 10 times more powerfull. generally a feasable concept.
But in a world where your competion had the much stronger system -( and the PS3 WAS stronger but needed alot more dev time to make use of the complicated cell , wich third partys most time would not do) you need also consider what kind of aproach would they do.
Turnt out that of course Sony dident used the power narrative of the PS360 Gen where the stronger system looked most times weaker to calculate the new systems power.
Of course they used their specssheet of PS3 and made their new System 10 times more powerfull than that.
THIS is the Mistake that happend that time in MS Development Lab.
They should have anticipated this approach from Sony but dident.
And so was it that the power difference on Paper of the PS360 Gen was the blueprint for the Power differential in this Gen.
Sony and Cerny for shure did not make this Mistake and especially after the Xbox One X it was clear that MS will be aiming at a doubleling in Tf..
So Sonys approach to a "only" 36CU was well planed by its Hardwareteam around Cerny.
They used the resources to produce a System wich is full of surounding tech and features wich in sum will be more than enough to counter Xbox Xs capabilitys.
There will be no Xbox One Situation for Sony!
Everyone who believes that will lose his soul and composure at Sonys PS5 Blowout.
Always respect the Enemy. MS learned it the hard way.
You dont need to!
with that being said - my Day 1 system will be PS5.
But at April 2021 i collect my Bonus and then the powerfull Xbox X will be MINE aswell !
ps : pls consider to watch my post here - worked something out on wich i liked to have your opinions on.
PlayStation 5 Reveal Event now looks to be June 4th
- and a game announced last year without a platform and became a PS5 exclusive. Which games were announced without platform?
bitbydeath
Member
I’m not arguing who has more power. My argument is simply neither are advertising as most powerful next-gen console and you are yet to provide any proof that says otherwise. You even just admitted it yourself before so let’s leave it at that.
bitbydeath
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bitbydeath
Member
It’s not my image, if you have a link where it states most powerful console ever then please supply it. I have no issue with being proven wrong if you can.
MaulerX
Member
It's on their official Xbox Series X site. Scroll down.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.
www.xbox.com
MS don't have to, it is the most powerful next-gen console. Both machines have published their specs, the power difference is clear.
I know there's been a lot of bargaining going on in various threads with all kinds of "but what about the (insert acronym here)" theories that seek to minimise any MS advantage, however those are theories about things that may make the PS5 better despite the fact that it's less powerful.
Power is not the only metric, certainly, but the Series X is the most powerful next-gen system.
ScarletSpider
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Hawking Radiation
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Jesus tapdancing christ.
Where do you get this from?
360 outsold PS3 globally for more than 6 years. Your argument PS3 outsold 360 most years is rubbish. Have a google and check the stats. Damn near every major gaming publication reported on it.
I'm curious to know where you got the bolded from. Can this be proved or is this another case of tales from the ass.
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Hobbygaming
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I'm not a "bot" that would be you
bitbydeath
Member
It's on their official Xbox Series X site. Scroll down.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
The statement beneath contradicts your interpretation. The header is just the short version of the text that follows which is ‘our most powerful’.
bitbydeath
Member
My argument is that they’re not saying it. Not that it isn’t.
JareBear: Remastered
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Getting quote replied 6 weeks after posting something is a Nope from me. Sorry.
When you bumped this thread, did you know you would single handedly reignite the Great Console War of 2020? These last couple pages, holy shit
*sniffs*
Smells like trolling
When you bumped this thread, did you know you would single handedly reignite the Great Console War of 2020? These last couple pages, holy shit
*sniffs*
Smells like trolling
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MaulerX
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Like I said one statement does not disqualify the other. They are both true. Not hard to understand.
Peenolia010
Member
You corrected no one lil one. Move along. How can you correct something that I already mentioned. Next time make senseSome ppl are always right in their little worlds.
You know I never said "I" corrected you, and I also said discussing the matter as well. I just can't fathom how a human being can pledge allegiance (not you) to something they have no stock in or any other type of connection with. I thought it was allows the quality of the product regardless of who makes it, that's all.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
The ps5 is worse on the tflop side, but if they have the same number of rops, the ps5 rops are clocked higher and are faster.
JareBear: Remastered
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They both have 64 ROPS.
Lol that’s gonna be funny because technically both of them could say that
yurinka
Member
We'll see the first ones in the Xbox event in a couple of days. But I assume they will be cross gen and the gameplay videos we'll see will be running very likely on PC and -if lucky- on devkits. So don't expect to see a very realistic sample of how the next games are going to look.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
They are said to have the same number of rops. Still the xsx has higher bandwidth. That allowed the xbox one x to do better than the ps4 pro despite rop disadvantage, although the bandwidth difference is smaller this time.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Who's said they have the same number of ROPs? This is an assumption but if Sony seemingly had foresight to add cache scrubbers to their GPU to cut down on a possible bottleneck, I would assume MS might've customized their system with additional ROPs to cut down on a perceived disadvantage of lower GPU clock.
They could certainly afford it, without a doubt. And it would also benefit XSX's use-case in a server environment. Whether customizing with more ROPs is worth mentioning as an advertised feature is debatable, though.
ethomaz
Banned
It is due how the RDNA GPU layout works.
You have 16ROPs per SA / 32ROPs per SE.
52 CUs probably means 56CUs active... so you can expectante:
4 SAs with 7WGP each = 56CUs (64ROPs)
6 SAs with 4WGP each = 48CUs (96ROPs)
6 SAs with 5WGP each = 60CUs (96ROPs)
8 SAs with 3WGP each = 48CUs (128ROPs)
8 SAs with 4WGP each = 64CUs (128ROPs)
See? MS have to go with 7WGP per SA to reach 56CUs.
That means 4 SAs/2SEs.
64ROPs.
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Mokus
Member
You can't do simple math!
By the time when PlayStaton 3 launched, Xbox 360 already sold around 10 milion units. How on earth was possible for the PS3 to outsell the 360 only in 2013 for the first time globally, and in the same year outselling it for the whole generation? Where is the logic? If the 360 is outselling the PS3 for "more than 6 years" (so you mean 7 years, including 2013?
) with a 10 million lead, it can only mean that gap is constantly increasing. Sony's console never sold more than 10 million units over the 360, especially 2013 when maybe combined they sold that many.The PlayStation 3 was outselling globally Microsoft's console often enough so by end of 2013 closing the 10 million lead.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I don't get why people are still confused.
The team at Sony believes superfast storage and cutting edge audio processing will be transformative for games in ways 2 more teraflops won't. So that's where they spent their money.
Are they right? Are they wrong? Who knows at this point. But games on the 3X will look better - that we know. Better graphical quality is a known quantity, we're all familiar with it. At this point the onus is on Sony to show games that tell their story.
The team at Sony believes superfast storage and cutting edge audio processing will be transformative for games in ways 2 more teraflops won't. So that's where they spent their money.
Are they right? Are they wrong? Who knows at this point. But games on the 3X will look better - that we know. Better graphical quality is a known quantity, we're all familiar with it. At this point the onus is on Sony to show games that tell their story.
Boys, just forget the ROP count. Even xb1 esram had not enough bandwidth to saturate 16 ROPs. How should PS5 or xbsx even handle more than 64 ROPs? Yes, potentially you get more with more ROPs but effectly you can't saturate them with those "tiny" memory bandwidth configurations. 64 ROPs are way more than enough. It only gets interesting with the other components like TMU count, etc.
The Pleasure
Member
Oh shit low tier god got banned again?
Hawking Radiation
Member
PlayStation 3 Lifetime Sales Overtakes the Xbox 360 - NewsYou can't do simple math!
By the time when PlayStaton 3 launched, Xbox 360 already sold around 10 milion units. How on earth was possible for the PS3 to outsell the 360 only in 2013 for the first time globally, and in the same year outselling it for the whole generation? Where is the logic? If the 360 is outselling the PS3 for "more than 6 years" (so you mean 7 years, including 2013?
The PlayStation 3 was outselling globally Microsoft's console often enough so by end of 2013 closing the 10 million lead.
We're going a bit off topic here so this will be my last post regarding this.
Of course he got banned. Have you not seen his post history?
Its shocking. I was expecting ban much sooner.
He simply can't help to troll every single thread he is in.
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Sota4077
Member
I genuinely cannot fathom giving a fuck about how well a console sells when the consoles in question are selling 10's of millions of units. For some people it is so important to be a part of the biggest crowd I think. They just want to be at the hottest party, lol.
Hawking Radiation
Member
You must be new to all this. Is this not relevant to fans of sports teams for example. Sure i don't have shares in Manchester United FC but every aspect of the club be it players, wage bills and expenditure is of great interest to me and millions of other fans.
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Sota4077
Member
That folks want to be a part of the biggest crowd? I wouldn't say sports is necessarily an applicable comparison. Sports is very regional based on team locations. Unless you're talking just about like bandwagon/fairweather fans or something.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
By the time PS3 started selling in November 2006, MS shipped somewhere between 5.9 and 7.6 million. 5.9M is ending Sep 2006 and 7.6M is ending Dec 2006. The real number is probably somewhere in the middle at ~6.7M.You can't do simple math!
By the time when PlayStaton 3 launched, Xbox 360 already sold around 10 milion units. How on earth was possible for the PS3 to outsell the 360 only in 2013 for the first time globally, and in the same year outselling it for the whole generation? Where is the logic? If the 360 is outselling the PS3 for "more than 6 years" (so you mean 7 years, including 2013?
The PlayStation 3 was outselling globally Microsoft's console often enough so by end of 2013 closing the 10 million lead.
I see that 10 million number thrown around a lot, but it is totally off.
Xbox 360
Xbox 360 (codenamed Xenon) is Microsoft's successor to the original Xbox and competes in the Seventh generation of video games. It competes directly with the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Wii. It will be succeeded by the Xbox One. The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005, in the United...
| Date | Quarterly sales | Total sales (cumulative) | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Xbox 360 sales figures (based on official financial reports | |||
| Quarter 2 (ending December 31, 2005) | 1.5M | 1.5M | [4] |
| Quarter 3 (ending March 31, 2006) | 1.7 million | 3.2 | [5] |
| Quarter 4 (ending June 30, 2006) | 1.8 million | 5.0 | [6] |
| 2006 fiscal year sales | 5.0 million (only three quarters) | 5.0 million | |
| Quarter 1 (ending September 30, 2006) | 0.9 | 5.9 (3.6m NA, 1.7m EUR and ~700k in Others) | [7] |
| Quarter 2 (ending Dec 31, 2006) | 1.2 million | 7.6 | [8] |
Journey
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Do you have a link? Not that either of them even need more than 64, it's already overkill for both.
Trying to grasp at any advantage, even the ones that are not relevant. PS5 has a more powerful Power Supply Unit!! HA!!!!
Rumor is XSX has 80 Rops, but if confirmed, the goal posts will shift anyway, not that it matters since 64 is already overkill
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Mokus
Member
That is when the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360.
Outselling is for, when, in a frame of time, the PS3 was actively selling more units than Xbox 360. In our case between 2007 and 2013.
I found this chart with sales. A bit incomplete, but it's good enough. Here you can see how sometimes Xbox 360 is outselling PS3 and sometimes is the other way around. But in the end, PS3 was outselling more often. You can also notice, how after 2010, both PS3 and 360, started outselling the Wii but they never outsold it.
I remembered something about 360 underperforming compared to Microsoft's expectations (10 million), but I wasn't sure about the number and where search for it. So I found it easier to "throw" the 10 million number. Sorry.By the time PS3 started selling in November 2006, MS shipped somewhere between 5.9 and 7.6 million. 5.9M is ending Sep 2006 and 7.6M is ending Dec 2006. The real number is probably somewhere in the middle at ~6.7M.
I see that 10 million number thrown around a lot, but it is totally off.
Xbox 360
Xbox 360 (codenamed Xenon) is Microsoft's successor to the original Xbox and competes in the Seventh generation of video games. It competes directly with the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Wii. It will be succeeded by the Xbox One. The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005, in the United...vgsales.fandom.com
Xbox 360 sales figures (based on official financial reports Date Quarterly sales Total sales (cumulative) Source Quarter 2 (ending December 31, 2005) 1.5M 1.5M [4] Quarter 3 (ending March 31, 2006) 1.7 million 3.2 [5] Quarter 4 (ending June 30, 2006) 1.8 million 5.0 [6] 2006 fiscal year sales 5.0 million (only three quarters) 5.0 million Quarter 1 (ending September 30, 2006) 0.9 5.9 (3.6m NA, 1.7m EUR and ~700k in Others) [7] Quarter 2 (ending Dec 31, 2006) 1.2 million 7.6 [8]
Romulus
Member
Prepare to be super underwhelmed with the differences. You can go back to xbox one vs ps4 threads after the specs were announced and people were literally expecting the ps4 to be leagues ahead of the xbox one with a "whopping" 40% GPU advantage. It wasn't like that at all. 1080p vs 900p 90% of the time. Which is nothing.
Now we have even LESS of difference and dynamic resolution on top of that lol. The fact is, even if the ps5 and XSX were 40% apart most devs will not push that advantage, they'll do the easiest thing possible, slightly higher resolutions on the dynamic scaler. On top of that, beyond 1440p theres diminished results in most people's opinion, yet it's still just as taxing to render those higher resolutions. Console devs literally spend their tflop budget on the most taxing aspect that yields the least results, and even then dynamic resolution masks much of that now.
It's just all hype. Even the ps3 vs 360 gen was supposedly a big difference in the 360s favor, but really it was a joke in terms of actual difference. A few frames? 100p resolution difference? Lol. Other than a dozen really bad ports on ps3, most 360 games were just slightly better. All of it is blown out of proportion.
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sendit
Member
Agreed. The biggest diff here is Sony's superior development studios.
Vawn
Banned
It's on their official Xbox Series X site. Scroll down.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
PocoJoe
Banned
If xbox series s comes to reality:
Series x doesnt matter, cheap S will sell 4:1 vs X. And PS5 sells 2:1 vs s+x
So then it is more of PS5 vs series S than PS5 vs series x.
As in Xsex being fastest doesnt matter when series S is the base for xbox. Like one is for current gen and one x is just for hc gamers
Series x doesnt matter, cheap S will sell 4:1 vs X. And PS5 sells 2:1 vs s+x
So then it is more of PS5 vs series S than PS5 vs series x.
As in Xsex being fastest doesnt matter when series S is the base for xbox. Like one is for current gen and one x is just for hc gamers
sendit
Member
I don't know about you, but my head hurts after reading that. Tongue twister.
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ExpandKong
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Do Jason Schrier’s inside sources include the payroll department at Sony?
I don’t have a dog in this fight because I’ve never given a shit about technical nitty gritty and I usually end up buying all the systems each gen anyway. It’s just funny how Schrier is barely trying to hide what he is anymore.
I don’t have a dog in this fight because I’ve never given a shit about technical nitty gritty and I usually end up buying all the systems each gen anyway. It’s just funny how Schrier is barely trying to hide what he is anymore.
ethomaz
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From what I remember the first batch of games had big differences like 1080p vs 720p...
Romulus
Member
That was short-lived, and not even close to across the board even then.
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