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NVIDIA Marbles RTX demo shows off the glorious future of real-time raytracing
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Neo_game
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We do not need this. I think RT on consoles is going to low settings or only few traces for reflection or something as it is too taxing for the hardware and not really worth it. Even Unreal 5 demo was not using it.
Lethal01
Member
It's not worth it on consoles since it would make games literally unplayable. Even a game indistinguishable from reaility isn't worth is at 1.2fps.
Now on a RTX 3080Ti on the other hand.
Senua
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DoctaThompson
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fran.fernandez
Member
Meh.
Show a real game like unreal 5.
I won’t pay for playing that. Lols
Show a real game like unreal 5.
I won’t pay for playing that. Lols
Balducci30
Member
I mean it looks cool but how come like none of the pens or anything react to the marble physically? Takes me out of it a bit
Matsuchezz
Member
Even on 4k and 120 fps this tech demo would be as boring as it looks.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
This looks nice, but I was more impressed seeing the Marble Madness Amiga port in late 1986...
zeroFiveNine
Member
I noticed this as well and posted the 4K version ripped from the presentation in the other thread. Here it is:
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Optimistic Gamer
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I feel like people still like to ignore the performance hit and how much better the GI-system of Unreal 5 looks. Are we in for another "ok RTX was just a good idea, we'll be back when processing power is better"?
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MightySquirrel
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We need a quadruple A PC exclusives studio. Common Nvidia you can make it a reality.
Those pics in op look like photos.
Unbelievable.
Those pics in op look like photos.
Unbelievable.
Optimistic Gamer
Member
Roberts Space Industries?We need a quadruple A PC exclusives studio. Common Nvidia you can make it a reality.
Those pics in op look like photos.
Remember how 47 years ago they started collecting money for an uncompromising game that "could not be done on consoles"?
$300.000.000 and 8 years later we're still in Alpha in something that barely resembles a game and consoles are already catching up.
Better give them more money, boys! It's only 45 bucks to get in and your ship will be insured for 3 months after that!
Now this is the bright future of pc gaming right there
Neo_game
Member
Only few % of people will purchase 3080ti though. I am curious to know at what fps are games going to run in 4K with max settings as well as max RT.
Kindjal
Member
That didn´t look real time to me. The guy was using the arrow keys? while the marbel was going down the spiral thingy. His inputs do not correspond to the actions seen on screen.
Come on, man, you are not taking input lag into account! /s
Self_Destructive
Member
That didn´t look real time to me. The guy was using the arrow keys? while the marbel was going down the spiral thingy. His inputs do not correspond to the actions seen on screen.
He's not controlling the marble... he's tilting the world...
Great Hair
Banned
He is hitting the keys, typing (right hand), nothing moves except for the marbel coming down the spiral. Everything remains static @1´20" (play in a loop), use the number 5 key on YT (too loop it, before even the loop he is typing something). Or number 2 .. (first gameplay, he uses both hands), during 2nd gameplay (loop key 5) only his right hand. Then the missing overlay in the upper right corner. And it´s nivea, can´t be trusted aka who gives a flying FAQ.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
It looks real, mind blowing graphically... But.
Poor reflections,
No reflection, refraction or prism casting from the glass marble (there would be)
No physics
Fps? Resolution? Is it worth the hit?
Poor reflections,
No reflection, refraction or prism casting from the glass marble (there would be)
No physics
Fps? Resolution? Is it worth the hit?
Caustics cannot be raytraced.
That's why in the real world RT is just another graphics technique and not "the holy graal, second coming of Christ" that some idiots think.
Self_Destructive
Member
And? Is there any indication that everything in this demo is RT and realtime? And the scene is completely static just because it's a game design decision?
Self_Destructive
Member
That doesn't contradict what I've said.
alucard0712_rus
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I want Skyrim with Path-tracing.
Self_Destructive
Member
You said caustics cannot be ray-traced.
funking giblet
Member
They can only be raytraced...
JareBear: Remastered
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Making us work for those details
(for real, upload an uncompressed 4k vid of this in all its glory)
llien
Member
Recalling RT performance shown in Unreal 4 demo:
The guy estimated "5-10 years away".
So color me skeptical about the video in OP.
"But if we drop resolution really really sharply and then kinda upscale" yeah, thanks.
Wake me up when tech is fast enough to deliver the main advantage of RT: low effort realistic images.
I call RT on 2xxx series a gimmick, because, wait for it, that's what it is.
Don't mistake RT as a rendering technique with heavily denoised "select effects" in concrete cards.
The guy estimated "5-10 years away".
So color me skeptical about the video in OP.
"But if we drop resolution really really sharply and then kinda upscale" yeah, thanks.
Wake me up when tech is fast enough to deliver the main advantage of RT: low effort realistic images.
I call RT on 2xxx series a gimmick, because, wait for it, that's what it is.
Don't mistake RT as a rendering technique with heavily denoised "select effects" in concrete cards.
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Self_Destructive
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You call it that, because, wait for it, AMD didn't have RT cores.
How can SIMULATING LIGHT be a gimmick? LOL... man.. the things some people say.
Unknown Soldier
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Youtube 4K is actually pretty good quality, because unlike 1440p and below it's rendered using a Quality target setting instead of a Bitrate target setting.
Making us work for those details
(for real, upload an uncompressed 4k vid of this in all its glory)
martino
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that lighting.
with all those efforts put into lumen i'm not surprised this is unreal stance.
with all those efforts put into lumen i'm not surprised this is unreal stance.
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JareBear: Remastered
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This video is only 1080p on YT
jackets with pockets
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Uncompressed 4K version would be tens of gigabytes in size. I think you guys meant to say "high-bitrate source video" or something along those lines
JareBear: Remastered
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Uncompressed 4K version would be tens of gigabytes in size. I think you guys meant to say "high-bitrate source video" or something along those lines
I’d happily spare some of my monthly bandwidth/data for this in full clarity
llien
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It should be part of the same conspiracy that made Switch so slow, I suspect.
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martino
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what ?
strange response to avoid arguing on this....
if you think there are no politic in those tech presentations you're naive imo.
why don't you want RT to be a thing ?
edit: didn't took to understand why looking at your history i don't think you're here to bebate relevance of RT . Unless if AMD do it correctly, am i right ?
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Senua
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Skyr
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I wouldn’t care if it’s tens of gigabytesUncompressed 4K version would be tens of gigabytes in size. I think you guys meant to say "high-bitrate source video" or something along those lines
funking giblet
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The friends we made along the way?
Lethal01
Member
Who said anything about 4k? it's all about that DLSS 3.0.
I'm more curious how good game an optimized that only hit 1080p 30 with max setting will look.
I always want games to give me graphical setting that are far beyond what anything could actually run
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waltyftmus Prime
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Looks great, loved a bit of MM back in the Speccy days.
DoctaThompson
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Are there Sony boys in here saying RT is pointless/useless? Or bringing up the Unreal demo?
Let's take a step back guys. Both demo's are equally impressive as fuck. But to downplay one, because your a fanboy of AMD/Nvidia, is childish AF. All of these techniques move the industry forward. Don't piss on mine or others parade.
Let's take a step back guys. Both demo's are equally impressive as fuck. But to downplay one, because your a fanboy of AMD/Nvidia, is childish AF. All of these techniques move the industry forward. Don't piss on mine or others parade.
pawel86ck
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I dont expect RT will be used on PS5 / XSX in any meaningful way, so it's not a surprise for me when people who game only on consoles will want to downplay it.
Apollo Helios
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Oh look at all those static objects, it would be a shame if all the static objects start to move and be Interactive with the marble but that is still few years off.
Yeah YouTube 4k isn't bad but it's still heavily compressed compared to alternatives AND HDR isn't passed through properly on YouTube (something which helps make Ray Tracing shine even more), I just don't understand why these companies who want to boast about graphics and such don't at least upload a nice high bitrate 4k HDR MKV somewhere so those of us with the proper set up can actually show this shit off.
pawel86ck
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You can think RT is not worth the performance hit, but calling it a simple gimmick doesn't make any sense, because RT is the exact opposite of gimmick. RT simulates how lighting woks in real life, not fake it with raster graphics where almost everything is prebaked (and that's what we can call a gimmick).
Turing was just the beginning, but few games looks already better thanks to RTX. Performance isnt the best, but I say it's acceptable (especially with DLSS 2). For example Wolfentsein young blood can run at 4K DLSS in 60fps, and "Control" can be played at around 50 fps at 4K DLSS also. In comparison many console games run at 30fps with dips to 20fps and many people play like that. Few months from now we will see Ampere GPUs and leaks already suggest drastic performance improvement (4x), so more and more developers will start to use it (at least on PC).