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[ToadMan]

It said captured on a PS5, it never said it was running on it. Don’t make shit up.

They could have plugged a PC in and recorded it on the PS5 to make it true.

Think about what they say, not what you think.

Lol.

Get that tinfoil hat on my man - the government are scanning for your brain...

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

My guess: PS5 will have faster load times than XSX, but it won't make much of a difference in practice (2 vs 4 seconds). In actual games, we probably aren't going to see anything revolutionary (maybe one title that excessively utilizes it). The TF difference might come in handy when ray tracing.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Prove them untrue then, should be easy.

Or is wording everything?

In what way is the onus on me to prove your ideas untrue?

 

[Kagey K]

Lol.

Get that tinfoil hat on my man - the government are scanning for your brain...

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Xbox showed us loading screens.
PlayStation didn’t.

Sauce confirmed.

 

[longdi]

Xbox showed us loading screens.
PlayStation didn’t.

Sauce confirmed.

Portal prep for loading in 3-2-1.

51s to 58s...hmm

 

[ROMhack]

It's incredible how marketing brainwashes people, never heard before to have more performance I had to buy a faster Hard Drive instead of a faster GPU

Yep, this is how I feel. Booting up the PS4 was fast enough. Sitting through long load screens - like Death Stranding - was fine. I really don't think that these fast loads will make gaming as an experience better. In fact, load screens are a nice way to zone out sometimes as I enjoy playing games while attending to other areas of my life - like having a whizz or texting my dad because it's been three days since I replied.

It makes sense in a PC because it's much, much better booting up an OS quickly.

 

[phil_t98]

Sony aren‘t defying the laws of physics. Of course if you’re changing everything the player can see on the fly, there is the finite time it takes to load. The fact PS5 can stream from the SSD, into VRAM, through the gpu and onto the screen in “real-time” Is incredible.

The sheer amount of geometry, detail and texture fidelity despite jumping at those speeds isn’t something a PS4 console could do without heavy compromises.

That’s what the removal of bottlenecks will get for developers and in a sense ratchet is a “worst case” example.

Other games can and will hide those loading moments out of the player view.

Yeah but the question is that is it something the Series X can do just as well? We will see

 

[phil_t98]

Portal prep for loading in 3-2-1.

51s to 58s...hmm

Game does look good though even with loading

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Portal prep for loading in 3-2-1.

51s to 58s...hmm

Man, there is a lot of shit flying all over the place on-screen, not a big fan of this franchise but I can't wait to see the kind of debris-laden light shows we get in other genres.

 

[phil_t98]

you are mixing things, one thing is the hardware and how it works and its specifics and another is your game and what it tries to do and how it uses the hardware to do certain things

what is there to optimize depend what you are trying to do in your game, the maker of the console will provide you with examplesa and documentation they are not going to do your homework

This is Sony design team and Sony game studio, do you think they will just provide notes and that’s it?

 

[ToadMan]

Yeah but the question is that is it something the Series X can do just as well? We will see

Um xsex will never play r+c.

Not sure why anyone would even think it would.

 

[phil_t98]

Um xsex will never play r+c.

Not sure why anyone would even think it would.

Well your obviously avoiding what i meant, the games that were shown last night didn’t look like the power of the SSD was being fully utilised so can the Xbox series x produce games with streaming textures as good and loading sections with similar timings

 

[fybyfyby]

Nothing Sony showed today looked like it was taking advantage of some crazy innovative never seen before SSD.

I expect every game, even the exclusives to run better on Series X hardware specs.

Ratchet & Clank utilizes SSD. But no one knows how much data transfers is needed for these types of transitions and how XSX could handle it. Even if XSX does the LoFi transition and next second it twists into HiFi - I think not so many users even notice it.

But I also think, that also there will not be so many differences the other way. MS fans touting 12TF and how it will crash PS5. Sony fanboys touting super fast SSD.

All of it is nonsense. No console will show dramatically more graphically powerful games by its own.

But....I trust Sony studios much more then those undr MS studios brand. Sony studios have much greater credit. They could push PS4Pro with 4,2TF further than MS studios could do with 6TF. I dont see reason there will be much difference here, where percentage difference is even lower.

So please stop arguing which one will be better if some has secret sauce or some teraflop stronger gpu. It doesnt matter, they both have great gpus, great ssds, great custom chips. Its up to studios now.

I wish both PS and MS fans great games on their machines. And PC players lot of games from both camps wink wink

 

[turtlepowa]

What did you expect? You can see better resolution and fps in multiplattformers, but the SSD? There will be many threads saying "wow, this and that would not be possible on a SXS", but this will most likely be an exclusive game thing only and you don't have a comparison for those. Besides this the XSX SSD is very fast too.

 

[SleepDoctor]

The event confirmed what anyone with common sense already knew..... very minimal loading. No graphic fidelity boost or anything else. You still need a gpu and a cpu. I know.... how ironic.

 

[MrMiyagi]

The Medium at the Xbox event seemed to be doing the same.

What I mean is people were talking like the PS5 SSD would help the PS5 do things the Xbox can't.

That we don't know yet. So far MS hasn't showed any gameplay that couldn't run on a Xbox one. Personally I don't think its so much about the hardware, it's more about MS's strategy to make all their exclusives cross gen for the first 2 years. This'll probably mean that Halo Infinite will run fine on Xbox One, just a bit better on Series X. But they wouldn't be able to do stuff like instantly zipping through different levels as we've seen in Ratchet & Clank, when their games also need to run from a HDD.

 

[longdi]

The event confirmed what anyone with common sense already knew..... very minimal loading. No graphic fidelity boost or anything else. You still need a gpu and a cpu. I know.... how ironic.

well..there was the hype that the speedss of ps5 SSD is needed, to keep feeding super high quality assets that can it be rendered...always in sight, always no lod loss.

 

[AllyITA]

Portal prep for loading in 3-2-1.

51s to 58s...hmm

wanted to see this...
confirmed, sony trailers are bullshit as usual.


not as fast switching as the trailer, but loading through the portal is decently fast.

 

[Foamy]

OMG I didn't see one loading screen in any of those trailers. Sony is deh miracle machine!

 

[MrMiyagi]

The event confirmed what anyone with common sense already knew..... very minimal loading. No graphic fidelity boost or anything else. You still need a gpu and a cpu. I know.... how ironic.

You're saying the ps5 doesn't have a gpu and cpu?

 

[dyergram]

Nothing Sony showed today looked like it was taking advantage of some crazy innovative never seen before SSD.

I expect every game, even the exclusives to run better on Series X hardware specs.

I can imagine hitman Deathloop and the housmarque game benefiting from instant loading.

 

[Tulipanzo]

We literally saw a game where you jump through portals to other dimensions in real time with no loading screens.
Some people are really grasping at straws here.

Most of these games looked absolutely spectacular, and on a marketing note alone, it was a much stronger showing for PS5 than anything MS has put out for the XSX.

 

[SleepDoctor]

You're saying the ps5 doesn't have a gpu and cpu?

Lol what? No im saying ssd is not the end all be all that people were playing it up to be.

 

[The_Mike]

yes that one second long inter-dimensional area was certainly something.

Remember when Xbox Series X demonstrated their "fast loading" with this?



I hate how this stuff is making me come across like a console fanboy when I'm not at all. I have them all, I get them all etc. But it doesn't mean I won't point out stuff that is quite obvious. I'm also a software engineer so really enjoy the technical aspects of these events.

As a pc user, the series x doesn't seem fast. The One X however seems slow as fuck.

 

[SuperLupeRap]

That seems cool, but not something that wouldn’t work on any descent SSD

I'm so confused that people think that can only be done on the PS5's SSD lol. Like what ?

 

[dl77]

Tbh as soon as I see "Can we now agree....." in a thread title I pretty much zone out on whatever they're wanting to say.

 

[Mista]

Ratchet & Clank definitely did.

 

[kuncol02]

We literally saw a game where you jump through portals to other dimensions in real time with no loading screens.
Some people are really grasping at straws here.

Most of these games looked absolutely spectacular, and on a marketing note alone, it was a much stronger showing for PS5 than anything MS has put out for the XSX.

Literally 20 minutes before your post there was another one which shows that in fact R&C has loading screens.

 

[ToadMan]

Well your obviously avoiding what i meant, the games that were shown last night didn’t look like the power of the SSD was being fully utilised so can the Xbox series x produce games with streaming textures as good and loading sections with similar timings

And that is where the point is missed.

The 1st party exclusives Sony make play to their strengths. MS will do the same with theirs - some day.


So it’s impossible to compare like with like. 3rd parties are where the comparisons can be drawn.

So far, 3rd party games are identical on both. I anticipate it will remain that way through the gen.


If you really must try to get an idea of what R+C would look like on Xsex then do 2 things - squint so the geometry and textures look a little blurry to account for less VRAM, and during the portal parts - pause the video, wait 2 seconds, then unpause. That’s what the Xsex version would be like.

 

[Aceofspades]

Seeing R&C , I would say that would be impossible on HDD. So yeah, that's some secret Sauce SSD!

 

[Thirty7ven]

Anybody who says that after seeing Ratchet and Clank is full of shit.

 

[turtlepowa]

Tbh as soon as I see "Can we now agree....." in a thread title I pretty much zone out on whatever they're wanting to say.

And nevertheless you are here answering this thread.

 

[ToadMan]

What did you expect? You can see better resolution and fps in multiplattformers, but the SSD? There will be many threads saying "wow, this and that would not be possible on a SXS", but this will most likely be an exclusive game thing only and you don't have a comparison for those. Besides this the XSX SSD is very fast too.

Except “you” can’t see that in multiplats because the PS5 and Xsex are showing identical performance ...

 

[turtlepowa]

Except “you” can’t see that in multiplats because the PS5 and Xsex are showing identical performance ...

Sure mate, like Pro and X are showing identical performance.

 

[ToadMan]

Sure mate, like Pro and X are showing identical performance.

And that has what to do with what?

PS5 and Xsex I’ve same performance in multiplats. Nothing to do with last gen .....

mate.

 

[turtlepowa]

And that has what to do with what?

PS5 and Xsex I’ve same performance in multiplats. Nothing to do with last gen .....

mate.

Yeah, right..

 

[ToadMan]

Literally 20 minutes before your post there was another one which shows that in fact R&C has loading screens.

Here’s a loading screen identification refresher for you.

 

[FlyyGOD]

The question remains if Series X can pull off the same

It already did with The Medium.

 

[Tulipanzo]

Literally 20 minutes before your post there was another one which shows that in fact R&C has loading screens.

For one thing, those are not loading screens, as the game evidently does not cut to black and loads, you're still playing it.
For another thing, that's a peak transition of about 7s to load a completely different area in real time.
In the trailer they showed immediately before, that transition is as short as 1,5 seconds.
Even the worst case scenario is a gigantic leap over anything possible at the moment.

Furthermore, as we already know from Cerny's talk, developers might have to slow down transitions for them to make sense to the player. In R&C's case, for them to get ready for the unexpected of a dimesion swap, which we've seen also comes with a gameplay change (railing to flying to shooting for example).

 

[ToadMan]

Yeah, right..

I know it’s difficult to comprehend that a 15% tflops advantage isn’t getting the Xsex an actual res or FPS advantage.

But that’s how the tech works. Much like a 9gb/s transfer rate is 100% faster than Xsex.

The results speak for themselves.

You can quickly imagine what R+C would be like xsex - just pause the video for 2seconds every time they pass a portal lol

 

[Kokoloko85]

Lol at the hate.... wonder if these posts are getting flagged for, Inciting console wars mods??? Like my post .... ??

At the end of the day, it was xbox fans screaming 12tfps!!
Saying PS5 9tfps suck and making polls about do you prefer faster loading Like PS5 or better and faster graphics Like the Xbox??

Basically inciting console wars and taking the piss out of the PS5 supposed 9Tfps (In fact its over 10TFPS) compared to Xbox’s 12 TFPs.
Wonder if those blatantly biased and inciting threads got flagging for inciting console wars mods???

Are the mods ok with Xbox fans making threads like that?

Point is Xbox show came up and all the games looked kinda same gen.... and no gameplay

All the ssd does it make the PS5 10TPS machine run much closer to a 12TFP machine and load much faster.

It looks amazing regardless, whereas xbox games have yet to show anything decent gameplay wise.

So there gonna look an awful lot like each other, whether you think its 12TPFs vs 9 or 10. But the PS5 speeds will be much better

 

[ToadMan]

It already did with The Medium.

Medium has about half the geometry and texture details of the R+C demo and did it at much lower real time speed.

So yeah - that about lines up with a half speed solution in the Xsex and less VRAM.

 

[The_Mike]

Seeing R&C , I would say that would be impossible on HDD. So yeah, that's some secret Sauce SSD!

Something not being possible on a hdd doesn't make a specific ssd secret sauce.

It's like saying a blu ray is secret sauce because it capable of more data and faster speed than a DVD.

Edit: misspelling.

 

[MadchesterManc]

I'm surprised people are pointing to The Medium as something to refute what Ratchet & Clank did in the reveal. Unless there's been something new released under the radar not seen yet for The Medium, not sure how you can compare an in-engine cinematic trailer to actual gameplay...

 

[Tulipanzo]

It already did with The Medium.

The Medium was only a cinematic trailer, where the protagonist switches from where they are to a more dilapidated, but very similar looking place.
The protagonist also conveniently gets a headache and can't move while this transition happens.

Curious to see how it ends up in game, but it was nowhere near as impressive.

 

[turtlepowa]

I know it’s difficult to comprehend that a 15% tflops advantage isn’t getting the Xsex an actual res or FPS advantage.

But that’s how the tech works. Much like a 9gb/s transfer rate is 100% faster than Xsex.

The results speak for themselves.

You can quickly imagine what R+C would be like xsex - just pause the video for 2seconds every time they pass a portal lol

Haha, you never fail to make me laugh. Have a great day.

 

[Thugnificient]

Yep, this is how I feel. Booting up the PS4 was fast enough. Sitting through long load screens - like Death Stranding - was fine. I really don't think that these fast loads will make gaming as an experience better. In fact, load screens are a nice way to zone out sometimes as I enjoy playing games while attending to other areas of my life - like having a whizz or texting my dad because it's been three days since I replied.

It makes sense in a PC because it's much, much better booting up an OS quickly.

This is 30fps feels more cinematic levels of bad. Really. Loading screens a good thing?

 

[AncientOrigin]

People have to remember that the games which were shown are in development since years.The first rumors of PS5 had Vega cards in them because there were no rdna 1 card,let alone the customized rdna 2 card what the PlayStation5 will have with all the rest of the architecture.It is normal that games on moving and changing hardware will not look their best.Playstation always surpassed the demos that were shown at the start of the Console.PS3 surpassed fast the actor demo,PS4 surpassed the sorcerer demo really fast,also the elemental demo.The same will be with the unreal engine demo.In 2-3 years the first party studios will be there also studios like Capcom and Square Enix..The games from Square Enix and Guerilla looked already amazing absolutely next gen..You have to be patient.

 

[ToadMan]

Haha, you never fail to make me laugh. Have a great day.

My day was great already

I love helping others gain new knowledge and improve themselves.