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[Oddvintagechap]

Whats the best salt yet?

I give the game a 8 right now to be honest. Revenge Isnt as fun. Where my set pieces at? Where funny Ellie at.

I can definitely see how homophobic snowflakes can be triggered by this game though. It is what it is though.

People seem to want a fantasy ending for these characters. If they dont get it, its bad writing. Which is funny. Heros death. Funny funny.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I don't get it, why is this game getting so bad scores on user critics?

I just finished in, played whole 2 days. Honestly its a great game

Because people know it's great but they're salty

 

[brap]

Whats the best salt yet?

All the posts from you and that one guy with the Kingdom Hearts avatar lmao

 

[pixelation]

It's deplorable that this is allowed to happen, can't they moderate user reviews?. Could user reviews potentially hurt TLoU2 sales?

 

[Blond]

It seems like anything remotely progressive these days is accused of being woke and the creator is called a cuck.

Neil could've just as easily handled the situation by saying "Hey, I understand my audience has certain expectations but I think I want this to be an Ellie focused story" and he would absorb the conflict for a few days and he could have kept it quiet like CDProjekt has done several times. But OH NO, what did he do? He made a deal of the casting of that bald kid RIGHT at the time she was ranting all over Twitter about killing nazis, White people and biG0tS

There's progressive and there's a book store with remnants of rainbow/trans/coexist flags are nearly perfect and preserved hanging off buildings that are colored way too bright and stick out to clearly to send a message as they sway in the wind while you're playing the game.

There's progressive and anti-christian message that is woven in fabric of the games message as you slaughter them by the hundreds with an angry Lesbian and if you don't understand the underlying message of hatred in that alone I don't know what to tell you.

And again, I want to make it very clear to you I'm not the greatest Christian and I sin and associate with people that honestly made me a bad Christian by my own standards, but I'm not going to act like the message isn't loud and clear; Neil Druckmann hates Christians and designed a 26 hour monument to the fact and it was so polarizing that Naughty Dog might as well be The Initiative since so many staff left immediately after it went gold to go there.

 

[Gamer79]

Literally Neil Cuckmann has told the world he had this secret agenda of pushing character designs based on third wave feminism and the ideas of Anita Sarkeesian.

So yeah, you only have to watch at the characters designs to see the obvious agenda Cuckmann is pushing.

That and the cringe like dialogues such as bigot sandwich, which is not an anecdote at all, but the result of the whole SJW package.

Preach it

 

[Dr. Claus]

The story is part of the product. It's not the whole thing. And also plot points are not the only part of the story. There's voice acting, animation, character development, etc.

I hate BVS and movies are quite plot centric but dumb story decisions don't make it a 0 because there's special effects and acting and everything that's not on "the room" levels. To give this game a 0 means you have no perspective on what a truly awful game is. Watch some AVGN

You don't get to dictate what people's opinions are on a game. A review score is just a numerical value provided by the person based on their opinion and if it is a 0, then it is a 0. They felt that the negatives outweighed any positives. Get over it, mate.

 

[BlackM1st]

Asian streamer cut TLOU2 disks by scissors lol How racist of him.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

If the entire game is the story? Yeah.

Is 1/10 really and different than 0/10? Honestly. I don't think so, especially in this case. If you hate the story, you hate the game.

If you buy and play and wish you didn't buy, isn't that a ZERO?

I don't think I've ever rated a game a zero even ones I've hated. It's just temperamental and simple minded to score it a zero based on one thing. A game that simply doesn't function would be a zero. I only got a couple minutes into bloodborne and absolutely hated it but I would still not rate it a zero because I could recognize nice environments and voice acting and such even though I hated the mechanics

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Fucking ironic considering James Rolfe is a dumbass that calls any game bad because his tiny little brain can't figure out the controls.

That's a character he plays not what he honestly believes aside from a couple broken NES games

 

[The_Mike]

I don't know this guy, but wouldn't surprise me if true. Was takenfrom reddit TLOU2. Don't check the reddit page if you want to avoid spoilers.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

You don't get to dictate what people's opinions are on a game. A review score is just a numerical value provided by the person based on their opinion and if it is a 0, then it is a 0. They felt that the negatives outweighed any positives. Get over it, mate.

Oh I'm not telling anybody what to do but I certainly can't take their opinion seriously or not think they have ulterior motives and are just trying to effect the average rather than give an honest opinion

 

[whatup]

Literally Neil Cuckmann has told the world he had this secret agenda of pushing character designs based on third wave feminism and the ideas of Anita Sarkeesian.

So yeah, you only have to watch at the characters designs to see the obvious agenda Cuckmann is pushing.

That and the cringe like dialogues such as bigot sandwich, which is not an anecdote at all, but the result of the whole SJW package.

He literally "told the world" about his "secret agenda"? LOL.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I don't think I've ever rated a game a zero even ones I've hated. It's just temperamental and simple minded to score it a zero based on one thing. A game that simply doesn't function would be a zero. I only got a couple minutes into bloodborne and absolutely hated it but I would still not rate it a zero because I could recognize nice environments and voice acting and such even though I hated the mechanics

That makes sense.

But do you think that anyone takes a 4/10 any less seriously than a 0/10 for this game?

At the end of the day, people who like this game consider anyone rating this game 0-7 as trolls.

 

[DForce]

Talk about missing the point.

The Last Of Us 2 had hundreds of positive reviews on psn weeks before game went out. But of course that doesn't count.

And it has positive reviews on Metacritic user score. Where's that 30K downvotes on PSN?

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

That makes sense.

But do you think that anyone takes a 4/10 any less seriously than a 0/10 for this game?

At the end of the day, people who like this game consider anyone rating this game 0-7 as trolls.

I absolutely do not. I'm sure I'll like the game based on their batting average but if someone rated it a 5 and called it average or a 3 and said the story really took them out of it I would not consider that trolling at all. I'm reasonably sure I'll rate it higher (though Jak X still happened and that naughty dog game id rank 4/10 so who knows) buy it's fine if people disagree. When I see a 0/10 and the entire review is either "stupid lesbians forced on me" or "fjsoeneodntlsbdnsoendkn" I have to think they're not fairly rating the game

 

[whatup]

How's this: anyone who reviews a game before they've had a chance to play it is a child (literally or figuratively) with too much time on their hands. And review-bombing a game you haven't played because you suffer from a persecution complex that gay activist snowflakes are coming to steal your masculinity is a special kind of pathetic.

 

[Rean no Kiseki]

Meanwhile in Brazil:

"Last of us literally deifies Jews and LGBT people with HIV, while demonizing facists and Christians."


"a lot of motherfucker, I wanted to buy"

"it is, my dear"







See the print with the translation above.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

I absolutely do not. I'm sure I'll like the game based on their batting average but if someone rated it a 5 and called it average or a 3 and said the story really took them out of it I would not consider that trolling at all. I'm reasonably sure I'll rate it higher (though Jak X still happened and that naughty dog game id rank 4/10 so who knows) buy it's fine if people disagree. When I see a 0/10 and the entire review is either "stupid lesbians forced on me" or "fjsoeneodntlsbdnsoendkn" I have to think they're not fairly rating the game

Yeah but you are reading, so you aren't the average.

Most don't read a review. Just like most don't read past the title of a thread/article.

Its just what people do.

 

[SuperGooey]

This is embarrassing. Imagine being a big enough loser to feel the need to review-bomb a video game for being "woke."

 

[The_Mike]

And it has positive reviews on Metacritic user score. Where's that 30K downvotes on PSN?

Positive reviews on metacritic

This game got positively review bombed 5 out of five stars on psn weeks before it came out, but you are so biased so you are totally fine by that

The reason there's no or less downvotes on PSN? Probably because mostly fanboys review there.

 

[DForce]

Positive reviews on metacritic

This game got positively review bombed 5 out of five stars on psn weeks before it came out, but you are so biased so you are totally fine by that

The reason there's no or less downvotes on PSN? Probably because mostly fanboys review there.

I literally just mention the positive reviews on MC.

I'm convinced that some of you guys don't read what others are saying.

 

[Cato]

Sadly I think it's getting review bombed from both extremes.

Conservative cucklords who hate a woman who is a lesbian, doesn't have DDs, isn't just their to jack off to as a main character.

And SJWs who want that lesbian character to never do any wrong (HOW COULD YOU PORTRAY A LESBIAN LIKE THAT- 0/10)


But I must admit I agree with your quoted post- overall it makes conservatives look bad.

We can all agree SJWs/ 'the left' can easily be baited into being 'triggered' by dumb shit. That is not in dispute.

What I have found lately and this forum is heavily, heavily in denial of is that in answer to this, 'conservatives' have been triggered at everything.

A girl is a main character? A black person? ANY mention of politics? They go crying about how everything is a left wing conspiracy / politics in mah gamez!! / forced diversity!!!

I mean come on conservatives. Aren't you meant to be the stoic, strong types? Play it or don't and base it off it's merits, and accept other points of view in your media. Take your tampons out and stop fucking crying about it.

Sometimes it could be review bombing, sometimes it is just people being very dissappointed.
Most people never leave any reviews on games. They may think the game was great/ok/average/pretty-crap/shit but they move on with life and just forget about the game.

But sometimes people are so dissapointed that they just have to write a review and express their frustration and dissappointment.
This often happen when there is a huge letdown after an intense hype campaign.
Like NoMansSky. There were nothing political about that game but it still got "review-bombed".
In that case I don't think it was detractors or trolls. I think it was just actual customers that were so massively dissappointed that they went in and voted 0/10 just because they felt cheated.
I think a lot of the 0/10 for TLOU2 could well also be actual fans that were so hyped and then, well, the game was not what they thought they would get.

For most people, they will virtually never leave a review score. It takes a LOT of "surprised delight" or "hysterical anger and dissappointment" to trigger the normie to bother registering with a site and then publish a score.
I think that is what happened here and also why some of the 0/10 are "registered yesterday, only one review given".
It really really takes a lot of dissapointment to trigger them to go though this effort (and no, I don't think the majority of these 0/10 are trolls. I can very well imagine it being fans that are hysterically angry with the game.)

 

[Dthomp]

It's deplorable that this is allowed to happen, can't they moderate user reviews?. Could user reviews potentially hurt TLoU2 sales?

Couldn't the same argument be made for all the fake 10s selling somebody a game they may not enjoy? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I can't believe we live in an age where we are worrying about the sales of a game and it hurting the company who made it. Plenty of games get just fine user reviews, this game is polarizing at best. When you set out to make a game like this you know you are going to aggravate a portion of users, thats on the creator not the other way around.

 

[Christian Eugenio]

I am glad,. They deserve this for using videogames to indoctrinate gamers with political agendas, whether are good or bad agendas it’s irrelevant.
It is very dangerous for society, we shouldn’t allow it.

 

[pixelation]

Couldn't the same argument be made for all the fake 10s selling somebody a game they may not enjoy? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I can't believe we live in an age where we are worrying about the sales of a game and it hurting the company who made it. Plenty of games get just fine user reviews, this game is polarizing at best. When you set out to make a game like this you know you are going to aggravate a portion of users, thats on the creator not the other way around.

I don't think it's a polarizing game for reviewers going by the reviews, if anything the users seem to be the outliers... I'll just play the game and make my own opinion on it... I know about the spoilers (read them) and I'm don't like the decisions they made in regards to the story... but I'm willing to give it a fair shake.

 

[Dthomp]

I don't think it's a polarizing game for reviewers going by the reviews, if anything the users seem to be the outliers... I'll just play the game and make my own opinion on it... I know about the spoilers (read them) and I'm don't like the decisions they made in regards to the story... but I'm willing to give it a fair shake.

I mean in the end all that matters to us should be other users, over the last 10 years I don't believe there is a single paid critic that I would take their word on anything anymore. Way to many close relationships and trying not to step on toes, not saying they trade money for reviews, but lets not pretend that it hasn't been assumed, sometimes heavily hinted at, and at best they can't afford to not be able to cover a companies next title. Cool of you to give it a try, I may do this once it hits bargain bin price and I can buy it used cause I don't support Druckmann or anything his hands have touched gaming wise. For me it's more of just playing and seeing the trainwreck close up, cause for me the game can handle a 10/10 but if the story is a soft deuce then I ain't going to enjoy it at all.

 

[BlackM1st]

10 / 10

 

[teacupcopter]

Sometimes it could be review bombing, sometimes it is just people being very dissappointed.
Most people never leave any reviews on games. They may think the game was great/ok/average/pretty-crap/shit but they move on with life and just forget about the game.

But sometimes people are so dissapointed that they just have to write a review and express their frustration and dissappointment.
This often happen when there is a huge letdown after an intense hype campaign.
Like NoMansSky. There were nothing political about that game but it still got "review-bombed".
In that case I don't think it was detractors or trolls. I think it was just actual customers that were so massively dissappointed that they went in and voted 0/10 just because they felt cheated.
I think a lot of the 0/10 for TLOU2 could well also be actual fans that were so hyped and then, well, the game was not what they thought they would get.

For most people, they will virtually never leave a review score. It takes a LOT of "surprised delight" or "hysterical anger and dissappointment" to trigger the normie to bother registering with a site and then publish a score.
I think that is what happened here and also why some of the 0/10 are "registered yesterday, only one review given".
It really really takes a lot of dissapointment to trigger them to go though this effort (and no, I don't think the majority of these 0/10 are trolls. I can very well imagine it being fans that are hysterically angry with the game.)

I agree with your point in no mans sky to my knowledge no snowflake behaviour there

I agree that it could be people who are disappointed. But we’ve had a bunch of mediocre sequels over time. Only the ones that have large campaigns from triggered conservatives have this disparity between critics and users.

 

[Mossybrew]

Reality check to the people who are clinging to this "The story is SOO BAAD" take - give me a fucking break. Have you not been playing videogames for the past thirty years? Videogame stories are frequently banal, cliche nonsense designed to get you going from point A to point B for the most basic reasons. This game takes its story seriously, and the studio and director have obviously made conscious decisions about what they wanted and refined it over the past couple years. The fact that you disagree with the narrative so fervently that people are railing to rate it 0 of 100 - this just shows how much you care, how high the original game set the bar for videogame storytelling, and how you ache to the core when your expectations for a beloved property are subverted by their author - you know, the person who came up with this shit in the first place. I dig subversive storytelling, even if it can be frustrating or obtuse or go a way I wish it didn't, because it's always more interesting to be challenged than to be pandered to.. If this game's story was just BAD it would not even be worth mentioning because that would be status quo, instead it just went in a direction you personally didn't want which is an entirely different thing.

 

[DarthFeanor]

This is a "The Last Jedi" situation.

If the "access media" weren't praising the game as a flawless master piece and revolutionary for gender representation.

 

[Grinchy]

This is a "The Last Jedi" situation.

If the "access media" weren't praising the game as a flawless master piece and revolutionary for gender representation.

It's an interesting comparison that I like thinking about. I haven't played it yet, but at least TLJ was objectively a terrible and shit movie. It's hard to directly compare for me because this game's story may be horrendous, but if it looks great and plays well, then those make it a better product than a movie that only looks good.

I guess for me it's because all you do with a movie is look at it and digest the story. In a game, you are the one directly involved with interacting, so good gameplay can still get me through a bad story. For a movie, a bad story equals a bad movie.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Reality check to the people who are clinging to this "The story is SOO BAAD" take - give me a fucking break. Have you not been playing videogames for the past thirty years? Videogame stories are frequently banal, cliche nonsense designed to get you going from point A to point B for the most basic reasons. This game takes its story seriously, and the studio and director have obviously made conscious decisions about what they wanted and refined it over the past couple years. The fact that you disagree with the narrative so fervently that people are railing to rate it 0 of 100 - this just shows how much you care, how high the original game set the bar for videogame storytelling, and how you ache to the core when your expectations for a beloved property are subverted by their author - you know, the person who came up with this shit in the first place. I dig subversive storytelling, even if it can be frustrating or obtuse or go a way I wish it didn't, because it's always more interesting to be challenged than to be pandered to.. If this game's story was just BAD it would not even be worth mentioning because that would be status quo, instead it just went in a direction you personally didn't want which is an entirely different thing.

The main appeal of this game is the story. If the story is trash, fans will be mad over it. It is that simple really.

 

[Vildiil]

The main appeal of this game is the story. If the story is trash, fans will be mad over it. It is that simple really.

 

[REE Machine]

This forum has become infested with sjws and shills. They don't even bother setting up an avatar lol. What shall we call these guys with a letter over some randomly colored background?

This game has the worst story in the history of gaming. It's really THAT BAD. No amount of shilling will change the mind of someone who saw the leaks or played the game and saw the disaster for themselves. If I was a reviewer I'd also give it 3/10, or even worse.

Speaking of shills.....

 

[wzy]

It's an interesting comparison that I like thinking about. I haven't played it yet, but at least TLJ was objectively a terrible and shit movie. It's hard to directly compare for me because this game's story may be horrendous, but if it looks great and plays well, then those make it a better product than a movie that only looks good.

I guess for me it's because all you do with a movie is look at it and digest the story. In a game, you are the one directly involved with interacting, so good gameplay can still get me through a bad story. For a movie, a bad story equals a bad movie.

Well don't play any Naughty Dog games then lol

 

[Grinchy]

Well don't play any Naughty Dog games then lol

The first game played very well. This whole re-writing of history to say that it had bad gameplay is dumb shit that people say when they never actually played it, watched someone on youtube playing it, or played it on Easy.

 

[REE Machine]

I am glad,. They deserve this for using videogames to indoctrinate gamers with political agendas, whether are good or bad agendas it’s irrelevant.
It is very dangerous for society, we shouldn’t allow it.

Then ur taking away a shit ton of great games if you want no agendas in them

speaking of dangerous to society, so your saying you want to censor people then and their creative freedom.....thats even more dangerous.

 

[midasmulligan]

I think it would most appropriate to average out the review bombs from both fanatical sides to get the true rating = (10 + 3.4) / 2 = 6.7....seems about right

 

[Deto]

the guys are still trying to convince people that the game is bad?

hi guys, in a little while the metacritic erases the fakes analysis and blocks the user score, at the end of the year the last of us takes GOTY and you go back to the 4chan sewer.

And to complement, in Brazil the pre-sales of the game were higher than god of war 2, as well as in europe.
likely to have 15M copies sold in the first 30 days.

Last "bad game" argument was a streamer who was banned from LOL for being racist saying the game was bad. I can't imagine why UHAUHUHAUH

 

[REE Machine]

Call them haters and children all you want, but that's just an easy way out to not evaluate the problem and how things got here. Something changed and not with the society which judges these games.

It's funny really, when a game isn't pandering or trying to force political ideologies on the player how well it does. Then comes this game...

You sure about that one lol

 

[Barnabot]

10 / 10

after that.... i'm out

have a good night folks. see ya tomorrow.

 

[GiJoint]

What a bunch of little babies.

 

[Valentino]

I am someone like you and I can tell you that I'm around 12 hours in and all of this political, SJW talk is overblown to the limit. The game is great

The game is great?!
*pretends to be shocked*
Of course the game is great. I can't see how anyone who has enjoyed Naughty Dog games or even just grown up with them could go so low on a game so dramatically. (well we know why they would do it because they never had any connection to either playstation, ND or TLoU in general) It's usually the ones who say "I used to love Naughty Dog/ I enjoyed Uncharted 2 though!/ Bring back Amy Hennig"................... *major eye roll*
So if you Hobbygaming are telling me they've been blown out of proportion (which is what I fully believed from the start and I whole heartedly believe you) why do people on here keep saying otherwise?
No one just goes from being a fan of the world and characters and ND's evolved way of story telling, to straight up "everything is trash"

 

[MasterCornholio]

Like thats going to stop the game from being successful.

 

[MasterCornholio]

SJW talk is overblown to the limit.

I always thought the freak out over the leaks was a bit overblown. Pretty sure alot of the people hating on the game were never planning on buying it in the first place.

 

[Valentino]

Hey, that sounds like me.

Went in blind apart from 1 or 2 state of play videos a couple of weeks ago. Avoided leaks but heard about the outrage. So far I think its pretty great. A true technical marvel, even on my crappy base ps4, and handles pretty good too. I'm only a few hours in though, just past one of the early major story beats, that I understand alot of people are upset over, and honestly I can kinda see why it happens the way it does (without saying too much). I can also understand some of the outrage too, with that said.

The story and characters are... ok I guess. Some stuffs a little on the nose, but there's some fun interactions in there too. I've heard it all kinda goes to shit, story wise in the back half. Hopefully its not offputting, Mass Effect 3 ending level of shit, because right now I'll be perfectly happy stealthing around just looking at the pretty pictures and admiring all the crazy detail and animation work for the next 30 or so hours.

Muy Bien! I'm someone who's played Uncharted 4 a gazillion times. And the last time I played it, I genuinely enjoyed Sam Drake as a character. I definitely see why he doesn't mesh well with peoples tastes..... but yeah I enjoy crappy characters it seems (I don't think he's crappy at all. Just shoehorned in) So with that being said, do you reckon I'll like these "alright" characters in Part2?

 

[ExpandKong]

In this case, yeah im not sure what else , many many bad reviews on freaking release day, critics have the excuse of playing games for weeks before release.
im not the biggest fan of Naughty Dog but any review below a 5 this early looks a little suspicious, almost like its trolling

The thing is there are absolutely tons of people who have played the game start to finish since it’s been released, they’ve been broadcasting it lol.

 

[MasterCornholio]

10 / 10

Wife's current boyfriend?

WTF!!!!!!

 

[captainraincoat]

I think the game is warranted for its criticism as you can see its being set up to mask the obvious direction and storyline problems by labeling everyone who criticizes the game a bigot or nazi
once everyone is aloud to openly talk about this i think there is gonna be some good discussion about game companies and directors that push a sjw agenda as a shield for bad game design choices