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TLOU2 Haters and Detractors are review-bombing Metacritic. The Salt rises!

Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
You have to respect contradicting judgements. I see no problem in people disliking games I tend to like or vice versa.

But 'sudden' review-bombing is certainly a whole different ball game, don't you think?

It isn't sudden. Fans have been criticizing the actions of the game ever since its initial reveal. Couple that with leaks (almost every last one being true, though you can read that in the spoiler thread as I won't post them here), it is far from "sudden".

Also, if you are talking about "respect", then you should do the same - something you clearly aren't doing.

Yeh any serious attempt to argue that is fucking retarded 😆

You can review a game's story easily, which is where the vast majority of criticism is coming. Gameplay, not so much. Suggesting otherwise is "fucking retarded" to use your own words.
 
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The triggering continues as TLOU2 releases today. A mob of children has taken their anger and moral purity to Metacritic to make sure an example is made of TLOU2. As we watch the salt pour from every single keystroke we're reminded of the fragility of their egos. Snowflaking has never been this good. Here is to enjoying the tears when the reviews eventually get taken down.

The only snowflake here is you OP, as you can't seem to handle the fact that people don't like the game.

This topic is fucking cringe and you should embarrassed.
 
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Having worked in the industry for years, and knowing socially and professionally a great many people who also work in the biz, I'm pretty confident I know exactly in how high regard ND are held.

One of the reasons for that is the extreme level of technical and artistic achievement in their output. This is not a team that puts out broken, janky, ugly games, their work is of the highest quality. A fact attested to by the ridiculous number of accolades they receive from users and the media.

Not liking a game's story, or its political outlook is fine, BUT if you think that makes it ok to disregard every other quality it posesses, and condemn it to the sort of low score that is incredibly rare (0/10 are far less common than 10/10') you are an IDIOT.

Bottom line: By condoning a score that should rightly be limited to titles that are fundamentally broken, you basically are spitting in the face of a whole load of talented people who have worked insanely hard to create art, animation, music, code etc. that's of the highest standard.


That to me, is fucking unconscionable. You don't get to do that because you are butthurt over characters not being given the appropriate levels of fan-service, because you don't like the directors politics, because its on the wrong platform or whatever.

Its idiotic, and if you hold that view, or condone/support the same you are an idiot.

I have to agree with this - the games story so far is not great imo - which is a shame. But there is no denying that a lot of work and love went into it and the production value is so top notch that I’d say it’s impossible to give it a 0/10 just due to that.
 

Self

Member
The issue people have isn't game design, its bad story telling. The main reasoning behind the critics is something like this VVV

I haven't finished the game yet, so I have to pass this time. But I'll come back to it when I have finished it.
The story is nothing extraordinary so far, but the game is very solid apart from that.

Also, if you are talking about "respect", then you should

Like I said, I do respect contradicting judgements, but review-bombing and emotional outrage is a clear indication of a political/ideological undercurrent.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
The story is nothing extraordinary so far, but the game is very solid apart from that.
Well, thats the general opinion i've seen my trusted reviewers having of the game, even a lot of the users giving it 0/10 say that aside from the story, the rest is really well crafted.

As i mentioned before, the 0/10 is more of a push back against journalists and hype industry rather than their actual opinion on the game. Couple that with Druckmann political antics and very off-putting decisions in the story, we have a review bomb.
 
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Dr. Claus

Vincit qui se vincit
I haven't finished the game yet, so I have to pass this time. But I'll come back to it when I have finished it.
The story is nothing extraordinary so far, but the game is very solid apart from that.



Like I said, I do respect contradicting judgements, but review-bombing and emotional outrage is a clear indication of a political/ideological undercurrent.

... I can't tell if you are purposefully trolling or really don't realize the irony and disconnect between your words and actions. You are actively generalizing any "negative" feedback as being emotional outrage, political in nature. You physically can't fathom that a 0/10 review may be genuine dislike of the product divorced from all that.
 
Having worked in the industry for years, and knowing socially and professionally a great many people who also work in the biz, I'm pretty confident I know exactly in how high regard ND are held.

One of the reasons for that is the extreme level of technical and artistic achievement in their output. This is not a team that puts out broken, janky, ugly games, their work is of the highest quality. A fact attested to by the ridiculous number of accolades they receive from users and the media.

Not liking a game's story, or its political outlook is fine, BUT if you think that makes it ok to disregard every other quality it posesses, and condemn it to the sort of low score that is incredibly rare (0/10 are far less common than 10/10') you are an IDIOT.

Bottom line: By condoning a score that should rightly be limited to titles that are fundamentally broken, you basically are spitting in the face of a whole load of talented people who have worked insanely hard to create art, animation, music, code etc. that's of the highest standard.


That to me, is fucking unconscionable. You don't get to do that because you are butthurt over characters not being given the appropriate levels of fan-service, because you don't like the directors politics, because its on the wrong platform or whatever.

Its idiotic, and if you hold that view, or condone/support the same you are an idiot.

Your industry is an absolute sick joke right now. Riddled with child gambling, exploitative practices, an incestuous media and preachy politics. So I wouldn't be so proud of it if I was you.

Second, this game is beyond demented. It's Kali Yugan torture porn, so I frankly couldnt give a flying fuck how meticulously modelled and animated the Marquis de Sade filth on screen is. In fact it shows the decline that they could go from Crash to this horseshit.
 

Valentino

Member
I'm not stepping foot in the spoiler thread because the game hasn't turned up yet. But for those who went in to the game not even giving a second thought if it was going to bad, or didn't give a shit what "politics" are in the game or what if agendas in games don't affect you and you actually have a life outside of playing some pixels and polygons..........what are your thoughts?

Is this politics and agenda and SJW thing just a big concern for Americans? I know it's a big thing over here in the UK, but I don't think we cling and whine about it as much over here. Honestly if any of that stuff is in the game..... I probably wouldn't even notice. So what I'm trying to say is, You didn't make the game. It's not your game. Get over yourself.
 

ZZZZ

Member
Not sure about saddummy because i don't understand korean but she was laughing in the credits with her chat, not sure how she feels about that game.
Cas from fextralife gave his review today after playing on stream. https://fextralife.com/the-last-of-us-2-an-honest-review/ . Let's just say he didn't enjoy it.
Daph39, Jinnytyy, alsojakob, distortion2, XQC, sodappoppin, the korean streamer that cut his cd in his half, all shitted on the game and the list is just growing.
The only streamed i found that actually liked was Breebunn, and even though she said at the end that she liked, she was reluctant to give it a score and said she wishes that the game didn't exist.
I'm sure with more people playing, i'll find ones that actually loved 100% and think it's a masterpiece, but calling anyone that hated this game a nazi and a bigot is just stupid.
 
So many low post count and new accounts in here defending this game. Who is brigading who?
Can they at least close their mouths?
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Hobbygaming

has been asked to post in 'Grounded' mode.
I'm not stepping foot in the spoiler thread because the game hasn't turned up yet. But for those who went in to the game not even giving a second thought if it was going to bad, or didn't give a shit what "politics" are in the game or what if agendas in games don't affect you and you actually have a life outside of playing some pixels and polygons..........what are your thoughts?

Is this politics and agenda and SJW thing just a big concern for Americans? I know it's a big thing over here in the UK, but I don't think we cling and whine about it as much over here. Honestly if any of that stuff is in the game..... I probably wouldn't even notice. So what I'm trying to say is, You didn't make the game. It's not your game. Get over yourself.
I am someone like you and I can tell you that I'm around 12 hours in and all of this political, SJW talk is overblown to the limit. The game is great
 

Self

Member
apply to positive review-bombing as well?

Naturally it would. If a company with a bad reputation and bad track record would suddenly gather high scores for their new product it would certainly be considered a anomaly.
I would be intrigued and check for information if interested in the game.

Turns out pet lovers praise and artificially push the game for cute animated animal's. I would reject their opinion as biased.

That’s what happens when you insert politics in your game, people can react to it.

People can react to it, it's a free country. It's just that I would prefer a objective approach, a review based on objective criteria, not politics.
 

Astral Dog

Member
Assuming that every bad review is haters or review bombers but every good review is legitimate and earned 🤔
In this case, yeah im not sure what else , many many bad reviews on freaking release day🤔, critics have the excuse of playing games for weeks before release.
im not the biggest fan of Naughty Dog but any review below a 5 this early looks a little suspicious, almost like its trolling
 
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Cracklox

Member
I'm not stepping foot in the spoiler thread because the game hasn't turned up yet. But for those who went in to the game not even giving a second thought if it was going to bad, or didn't give a shit what "politics" are in the game or what if agendas in games don't affect you and you actually have a life outside of playing some pixels and polygons..........what are your thoughts?

Hey, that sounds like me.

Went in blind apart from 1 or 2 state of play videos a couple of weeks ago. Avoided leaks but heard about the outrage. So far I think its pretty great. A true technical marvel, even on my crappy base ps4, and handles pretty good too. I'm only a few hours in though, just past one of the early major story beats, that I understand alot of people are upset over, and honestly I can kinda see why it happens the way it does (without saying too much). I can also understand some of the outrage too, with that said.

The story and characters are... ok I guess. Some stuffs a little on the nose, but there's some fun interactions in there too. I've heard it all kinda goes to shit, story wise in the back half. Hopefully its not offputting, Mass Effect 3 ending level of shit, because right now I'll be perfectly happy stealthing around just looking at the pretty pictures and admiring all the crazy detail and animation work for the next 30 or so hours.

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Blond

Banned
Your industry is an absolute sick joke right now. Riddled with child gambling, exploitative practices, an incestuous media and preachy politics. So I wouldn't be so proud of it if I was you.

Second, this game is beyond demented. It's Kali Yugan torture porn, so I frankly couldnt give a flying fuck how meticulously modelled and animated the Marquis de Sade filth on screen is. In fact it shows the decline that they could go from Crash to this horseshit.

Oh shut up with this idea of "exploitation." I like how suddenly everyone starts caring about the exploitation in the gaming industry when it fits an argument. And boy am I using that word lightly, because if workers in an industry where the average salaray is between 70-80k, health benefits, free food and being forced to work in an air conditioned building with working utilities and a consistent paycheck every fortnitght counts as abuse what in the fuck do you call these industries?

Clothing
Shoes
Chocolate
Water
Coffee
Oil

All have the same problems; underpaid workers, slave labor, death, land grabs, violence and exploitation of indigenous people. but I can guarantee you aren't saying shit about these nor have you either stopped partaking in them like you did by not buying a copy of TLOU. Coffee and Bottled water consumption could stop tomorrow and solve legitimate problems

The idea of an office job being "exploitable"

Kali Yugan torture porn? LOL. So people suddenly have a problem with fake video game violence but when Manhunt 2 got an Adults Only rating years back people lost their collective shit lmao



Cool, some dude from a gaming website nobody ever heard of is giving everyone the opinion they want to hear but won't even produce an e-mail to show what he says has any truth. We live in the information age where you can find anything in a moments notice yet no one ever saves an e-mail, phone call record or text to show any truth. Everyone who makes this "bombshel"l claim seemingly can't prove it but loves talking about "we received an E-mail correspondence DURRRR"
 
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"The Salt in Us" - By Met Acritic.

They have nothing else to do in their time than to Lower the Score of an Anticipated game. It isn't just people on the Xbox Side though, it's the jilted, the SJWs, the Snowflakes and people who just don't like what X likes.

Play a damn game and enjoy it instead of wasting your time to Review something you will never play nor interested in.

Funnily enough, I have used MetaCritic many years ago and gave constructive Critisism of a "sequel" to a niche game. I didn't hate it, nor loved it, but I explained myself and hoped it help someone buy it purely on what I said, flaws and all.

The Japanese do this too on Amazon when they hate on something trivial too. Seems to be a Global thing.
 
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Klik

Member
I don't get it, why is this game getting so bad scores on user critics?

I just finished in, played whole 2 days. Honestly its a great game
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
User ratings picking up. It's now at 3.5/10 across 31,200 reviews.

If the next 70,000 user reviews can be 10/10, the user score will increase to 8/10.

For the user review score to match the 95/100 at 9.5/10, the next 400,000 scores in a row need to be 10/10.

lol
 

Blond

Banned
I don't get it, why is this game getting so bad scores on user critics?

I just finished in, played whole 2 days. Honestly its a great game

Consider it the culmination of Neil Druckmann antagonizing longtime fans for 5 years + having the spoilers come out in a way that made it look like a dark comedy = recipe for disaster
 
I don't get it, why is this game getting so bad scores on user critics?

I just finished in, played whole 2 days. Honestly its a great game
You just answered your own question tho. Its a user review. Its the individuals opinion. Don't expect anything other than 0's and 10's.

TLoU2 is a Single Player Story only game. If you like the story, you like the game. If you don't like the story, you don't like the game. It is as simple as that.

User reviews won't take into account Fish A.I. or detail in faces if they hate the core of the game.

Both the 0's and 10's are 100% valid.
 

Deto

Banned
Meanwhile in Brazil:

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"Last of us literally deifies Jews and LGBT people with HIV, while demonizing facists and Christians."


"a lot of motherfucker, I wanted to buy"

"it is, my dear"

Consider it the culmination of Neil Druckmann antagonizing longtime fans for 5 years + having the spoilers come out in a way that made it look like a dark comedy = recipe for disaster

How exactly has he been antagonizing fans for five years?



See the print with the translation above.
 
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Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
The only snowflake here is you OP, as you can't seem to handle the fact that people don't like the game.

This topic is fucking cringe and you should embarrassed.
It's pretty obvious this is review bombing including bots. Many of these reviews are freaking random letters spewed on the screen. Could anyone honestly rate this game an honest 0? Like plumbers don't wear ties or something is a 0. If there's any competence in any aspect it's above that
 

Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
You just answered your own question tho. Its a user review. Its the individuals opinion. Don't expect anything other than 0's and 10's.

TLoU2 is a Single Player Story only game. If you like the story, you like the game. If you don't like the story, you don't like the game. It is as simple as that.

User reviews won't take into account Fish A.I. or detail in faces if they hate the core of the game.

Both the 0's and 10's are 100% valid.
Ok and if you don't like the story you jump straight to zero? If there's even one thing you like it's gotta be at least a 1
 

Woggleman

Member
Talk about missing the point.

The Last Of Us 2 had hundreds of positive reviews on psn weeks before game went out. But of course that doesn't count.
Ghosts of Tsushima and Cyberpunk 2077 also have perfect ratings. It is a flaw in the PSN system but not exclusive to TLOU2.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Ghosts of Tsushima and Cyberpunk 2077 also have perfect ratings. It is a flaw in the PSN system but not exclusive to TLOU2.

But it doesnt give a more correct answer compared to metacritic, just because it's more positive.
 

Roronoa Zoro

Gold Member
If the story is so bad that it ruins the experience, it can easily be a 0. Especially if the story is the main selling point, the focus of the entire product.
The story is part of the product. It's not the whole thing. And also plot points are not the only part of the story. There's voice acting, animation, character development, etc.

I hate BVS and movies are quite plot centric but dumb story decisions don't make it a 0 because there's special effects and acting and everything that's not on "the room" levels. To give this game a 0 means you have no perspective on what a truly awful game is. Watch some AVGN
 
Ok and if you don't like the story you jump straight to zero? If there's even one thing you like it's gotta be at least a 1
If the entire game is the story? Yeah.

Is 1/10 really and different than 0/10? Honestly. I don't think so, especially in this case. If you hate the story, you hate the game.

If you buy and play and wish you didn't buy, isn't that a ZERO?
 

Blond

Banned
How exactly has he been antagonizing fans for five years?

Here's my post from yesterday. I wanna make it clear, I'm playing and enjoying the game but I can't deny it hasn't been without it's controversy.

...Did you not pay attention to the past 2 years of bullshit from Neil Duckman? I don't even know why I keep calling him Duckman, that's reserved for the amazing character played by Jason Alexander but at-least it's dehumanizing him lol. Look, I bought the game for the gameplay but let's not act like Duckman doesn't have a reason to hold onto blame.

This isn't just about the game, I feel like the story beats are just the thing that FINALLY pushed people over the edge. Off the top of my head here's what I can remember

-Intentionally writing in trans characters for no reason other than to show how progressive he is while having that bald actor he chose go and shit ALL over people on twitter, she was chosen for her openly antagonistic attitude towards people who are straight and it's fucking obvious

-While not known at first, retroactively making the female leads in Lost Legacy as lesbian. I thought they were because my older lesbian friends who saw a screenshot on Facebook out of nowhere "Are they putting lesbians in games now? We use to dress like that in the 90s and it's giving us flashbacks!" The only thing I said back then was that I'm not sure but it didn't seem like it, a year later on valentines day they did it. This is as fucking annoying as all the ridiculous ret-cons from J K Rowling, but the difference is why the fuck anyone would buy a book from someone in the internet age still using "J K" (Just kidding, and boy was she) as a pen name always made me laugh

-There's a very obvious anti-christian theme throughout the entire plot, again, can't say details because I'll be banned, but know it runs so deep that when you come across a synagogue that's completely pristine and suddenly Ellie can't shoot anymore but you can gut hundreds of Christians along the way? The fuck? I'm not even the most faithful christian, hell, by all accounts I'm a bad one and sinner like most but that shit DID NOT sit well with me

-Neil ironically wrote a stereotypical "Sassy Mad Black Woman" while trying to be progressive and then made her superwoman by kicking a dozen foreign mercenaries ass, I could also believe this if she used techniques that would disable a person by hitting them in sensitive places like the eyes/throat/genitals but she's fucking Mike Tysoning dudes that would flatten her.

Do not post spoilers - Mod Team
 
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brap

Banned
I hate BVS and movies are quite plot centric but dumb story decisions don't make it a 0 because there's special effects and acting and everything that's not on "the room" levels. To give this game a 0 means you have no perspective on what a truly awful game is. Watch some AVGN
Fucking ironic considering James Rolfe is a dumbass that calls any game bad because his tiny little brain can't figure out the controls.
 

Paltheos

Member
If the entire game is the story? Yeah.

Is 1/10 really and different than 0/10? Honestly. I don't think so, especially in this case. If you hate the story, you hate the game.

If you buy and play and wish you didn't buy, isn't that a ZERO?

A 0/10 is non-functional. The game doesn't work, literally.
A 1/10 points to a shit ton of problems.

I don't like Naughty Dog games and haven't since Jak & Daxter, but none of my experiences with their stuff has screamed out to me scores these low. I've thought they're functional but generally mediocre or worse. 4-5ish? That's a pretty big gulf from 0 and 1. I think you're understating how bad something really has to be to earn those scores.
 

Humdinger

Member
I'm not stepping foot in the spoiler thread because the game hasn't turned up yet. But for those who went in to the game not even giving a second thought if it was going to bad, or didn't give a shit what "politics" are in the game or what if agendas in games don't affect you and you actually have a life outside of playing some pixels and polygons..........what are your thoughts?

Is this politics and agenda and SJW thing just a big concern for Americans? I know it's a big thing over here in the UK, but I don't think we cling and whine about it as much over here. Honestly if any of that stuff is in the game..... I probably wouldn't even notice. So what I'm trying to say is, You didn't make the game. It's not your game. Get over yourself.

I really don't think the backlash is primarily based on SJW stuff. It's based on the story and characters. The "woke" or "SJW" angle was something people reacted to at first, but once the leaks appeared, it wasn't that anymore (or not primarily, anyhow) -- it was mostly about the story and the characters themselves.

I'm not saying that the SJW or woke stuff doesn't annoy some people -- it certainly does, as you can see by a lot of the jokes and memes. I'm just saying that, if you want to understand the backlash, it's not really about "this game is woke, so it sucks." People are mostly upset about the quality of the storytelling and how the characters are handled.

A 0/10 is non-functional. The game doesn't work, literally.
A 1/10 points to a shit ton of problems.

I don't like Naughty Dog games and haven't since Jak & Daxter, but none of my experiences with their stuff has screamed out to me scores these low. I've thought they're functional but generally mediocre or worse. 4-5ish? That's a pretty big gulf from 0 and 1. I think you're understating how bad something really has to be to earn those scores.

Yeah, I can't see how this game deserves anything less than about a 6. If nothing else, it has a lot of attention to detail, the production values are really high, and it's technically accomplished. The flaws seem to be in the story and characters, primarily. I'm as a big a story whore as anyone, but it's not fair to grade a game completely on that. People giving it zero are just trying to bring the score down.
 
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Daffy Duck

Member
Having worked in the industry for years, and knowing socially and professionally a great many people who also work in the biz, I'm pretty confident I know exactly in how high regard ND are held.

One of the reasons for that is the extreme level of technical and artistic achievement in their output. This is not a team that puts out broken, janky, ugly games, their work is of the highest quality. A fact attested to by the ridiculous number of accolades they receive from users and the media.

Not liking a game's story, or its political outlook is fine, BUT if you think that makes it ok to disregard every other quality it posesses, and condemn it to the sort of low score that is incredibly rare (0/10 are far less common than 10/10') you are an IDIOT.

Bottom line: By condoning a score that should rightly be limited to titles that are fundamentally broken, you basically are spitting in the face of a whole load of talented people who have worked insanely hard to create art, animation, music, code etc. that's of the highest standard.


That to me, is fucking unconscionable. You don't get to do that because you are butthurt over characters not being given the appropriate levels of fan-service, because you don't like the directors politics, because its on the wrong platform or whatever.

Its idiotic, and if you hold that view, or condone/support the same you are an idiot.

just an interesting viewpoint regarding reviews, why should 0/10’s be reserved solely for broken games? Why can’t they also be for games that you absolutely hate? Assuming you can back it up with strong opinions ...
 
A 0/10 is non-functional. The game doesn't work, literally.
A 1/10 points to a shit ton of problems.

I don't like Naughty Dog games and haven't since Jak & Daxter, but none of my experiences with their stuff has screamed out to me scores these low. I've thought they're functional but generally mediocre or worse. 4-5ish? That's a pretty big gulf from 0 and 1. I think you're understating how bad something really has to be to earn those scores.
No. That’s your grading system.

If you buy a game and regret losing your money and your time, that’s a bad game for you.

Why you have that regret is 100% your opinion. Maybe it is bugs. Maybe it’s story. Maybe it’s just boring.

You hate it. And why you hate it is completely dependent upon the user.

Example. For me... Operation Raccoon City>Witcher 3
 
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