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Chris Avellone is Fighting Back (Update: won seven figure lawsuit, formal apology/retraction from accusers)
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Nickolaidas
Member
So he was being a crass jerk. But I don't see why people are treating him as a rapist.
Unless I missed something, none of the women he interacted with were assaulted or sexually abused in any way. He probably is a terrible flirter, and perhaps has some kinky fantasies, but nothing that validates his current crucifixion on social media.
This is his big mouth and hard dick coming back to bite him, but in way, WAY more disproportionate amounts.
NeilH1982
Banned
Fact-check these motherfuckers like you do Trump
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Nope. You are from Germany right? Here in America our laws have gotten worse ever since this me2 crap came out. Shit was bad before but it somehow has become worse because of it. For our justice system there is only capital gain from all this shit so they just play the part. They already let a large majority of men get locked up over the dumbest shit. The easiest way for some of these subhumans to get cash now is painting every dude like fucking R.Kelly and boy if you can't afford a lawyer you get jail and are extra fucked. Forever. Because who'd believe a man in today's world? You can even make a guy kill himself and get away with it! Eve if you did absolutely nothing. Isn't it great?
Nickolaidas
Member
Probably more solid facts will surface as this thing goes on. We'll see.
Shantae
Banned
This really is a sad state of affairs. I didn't know who this guy was before, never heard of him, have no stake in trying to defend him, but all I keep reading is that this guy was behaving...like a human being?
I don't see anything crime worthy, or even something worth "believing"? Like, sure...I can totally believe 100% that what this woman is saying is true, not even gonna doubt her. But so what? what the fuck did he do wrong exactly?
Seeing this shit happening on an almost weekly basis for someone new is just really wearing me down. I'm already someone who has severe social anxiety, and wants to hide away from people because I get nervous with social situations. These situations just add to any potential trust issues I already have. I can't trust a damn woman out there, because I might be accused of something because I'm an awkward guy who may say or do something stupid someday.
Feel like I'm better off burying my head in the sand, and just cutting the world off sometimes.
I don't see anything crime worthy, or even something worth "believing"? Like, sure...I can totally believe 100% that what this woman is saying is true, not even gonna doubt her. But so what? what the fuck did he do wrong exactly?
Seeing this shit happening on an almost weekly basis for someone new is just really wearing me down. I'm already someone who has severe social anxiety, and wants to hide away from people because I get nervous with social situations. These situations just add to any potential trust issues I already have. I can't trust a damn woman out there, because I might be accused of something because I'm an awkward guy who may say or do something stupid someday.
Feel like I'm better off burying my head in the sand, and just cutting the world off sometimes.
Dr.Morris79
Member
I just read that. I honestly think Resetera needs to have a shack up. That is some seriously dangerous thinking they've got going on over there.EDIT #2:
OMG, he was BANNED for this perfectly reasonable posting!
Justin Bieber has been accused of sexual assault by two women [Up: Bieber responds, see threadmark for receipts]
Youre right. Death to all who have accusations thrown against them! I'm not for rape or assault or sexual assault but on this forum if anyone is accused of anything theyre automatically guilty. Which is a joke. Who knows the %, but I would say a large majority of accusations turn out true, and...www.resetera.com
Nickolaidas
Member
I get it.
Though based on what I'm reading (baseless accusations, but accusations nonetheless), Chris seemed to think with his dick a LOT. You may think yourself as socially awkward (and you may as well be), but as long as you don't grope women's asses when your girlfriend isn't looking and telling them to skip the 20xx Comic-Con in order to go for a quick fuck, you'll be ok.
That said, getting wasted and asking a woman (who probably isn't even into you) to suck your cock in the men's room is you being a jackass, not a rapist.
The fact that these women claim they were traumatized by the experience is insulting to actual rape victims. Lady, imagine someone grabbing you by force, slapping you, punching you, throwing you in the bed and sexually assaulting you. If you think that's just as bad as a drunk guy texting you that he'd like to burry his face in your pussy, you need a reality check.
No, you won't.
Nickolaidas
Member
How so?
Shantae
Banned
Because if someone is resentful, or just wants to get back at someone, it's super easy to pull this cancel culture shit on someone. Somebody doesn't even have to "lie" to get back at you, they can just take a simple indiscretion that both parties are probably responsible for, and turn it so that they look like the victim.
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It's beyond naive to assume that you'll be immune to #metoo witch hunts if you haven't done something worthy of your life being destroyed. There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary at this point.
Starfield
Member
Proven guilty until innocent. The new way of online proscecuting.I've said this for a long time now: There's a huge rift between lower class real life and the public internet/media world.
Yes, when you go outside to dumb parties (I'm an introvert, so I'm calling 'em dumb ;P), when you look at workers, when you look at the less civilized parts of the world in the middle east, south east asia, africa, THEN men tend to dominate.
But then take a look at the INTERNET that people go to for discussion, information, entertainment every day: All non-right wing media one-sidedly supports women and lgbt. Social media sites, especially Twitter, encourage the "court of public opinion" and easily ban your account when you're not a total feminist. And authoritarian left feminist can behave in the most unhinged, toxic ways: They NEVER see repercussions to their behavior, see ResetEra that ruined so many people's lives, see Zoe Quinn that drove Alec Holowka into suicide, see the obnoxious "believe women" mantra they follow.
The "real world" might favor men a bit. But the digital world (aka the one that matters in the year 2020) is dominated by women, lgbt and other minorities. Men expressing differing opinions? Off with their head.
Things we've lost due to nobody daring to speak up against this:
- creative freedom is on its way out (Sony censorship being celebrated,, offensive content being made taboo)
- Variety of opinion (stray off the path and you'll be cancelled)
- Individuality (everybody "must" be part of some group now and is judged by that group's perceived image)
- Men expressing their heterosexuality (doing so is now harassment/assault, if the chosen woman isn't into you)
- Politics are more of a joke than ever (Democrats supporting a rapist and the crazies voting for him, only to get Trump out. What a standard ...)
- career safety (unless you completely shut up, building yourself a career in any of the modern media isn't worth it, because years of work will be canceled in a single day)
- The law system is taken out of the equation ("innocent until proven guilty" is now looked upon as an alt-right, misogynistic thing to say. Instead of waiting for facts and evidence, the court of public opinion decides over mens fate)
- debate culture on movies is dead (People calling those who dislike the Star Wars-sequel trilogy or Ghostbusters 2016 shit are being labeled alt-right)
- and so on
What's maybe the worst of all? REAL criminals getting away. You know, the scum that actually RAPES and ruins lives. Because let's focus on those who have differing opinions on the internet. Let's ruin those who like anime tiddies. We've never had as much sexual criminality and child porn activity as nowadays, but instead of adressing it, the auth left keeps focusing on internet discussion areas. Fuck this planet.
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Fuck me, just saw this thread pop up over there at the crazies. I'm not a Justin Bieber-fan in the slightest, but this is just too frustratingly unfair:
Justin Bieber has been accused of sexual assault by two women [Up: Bieber responds, see threadmark for receipts]
Yeah, not really surprised at all. lmao this isn't a court of law bub
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OMG, he was BANNED for this perfectly reasonable posting!
Justin Bieber has been accused of sexual assault by two women [Up: Bieber responds, see threadmark for receipts]
Youre right. Death to all who have accusations thrown against them! I'm not for rape or assault or sexual assault but on this forum if anyone is accused of anything theyre automatically guilty. Which is a joke. Who knows the %, but I would say a large majority of accusations turn out true, and...
Nickolaidas
Member
But that's the thing. Chris Avelone said things which paint him in a negative light, amplified when women (and male colleagues) start talking about past incidents.
Which is why I said that as long as
Shantae
refrains himself from sending dick pics and asking married women via SMS to perform oral sex on them when they haven't given him the green light, I think he'll be ok.Am I naive for thinking this? Maybe I am. We have a saying in Greece, 'There's truth in both sides of the spectrum'. I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone didn't do anything which would cause certain women to consider him a sleazebag, and I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone should be cancelled and expelled from social media, the gaming industry and life in general just because he sent an SMS telling a woman that he'd like to lick her vagina.
It's the story with the hotel which is kinda shady right now (blackouts, a potential drunk-rape going wrong because of the victim having her period and whatnot) - but THIS, THIS is what pisses me off. And I admit I play a part in it, right now. Look at us, everyone saying his piece, others becoming lawyers, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges and executioners in BOTH sides of the fence. Both sides quick to condemn the other side's 'victim' as innocent of guilty.
'He's a disgusting piece of shit', 'he didn't do anything wrong' or 'She's just an attention whore', 'she's so brave for speaking out', etc. While we weren't there. While we know NOTHING but anecdotal 'evidence' from (so far) one side.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
So I'm not supposed to play his games because he wanted to fuck a married women?
Shantae
Banned
What about when a married woman comes to my place, coerces me into getting drunk, and seduces me? I'm not trying to #metoo her, but this is something that's happened in my life, and I know I wouldn't have sex with a married woman sober, but she knew I crushed on her when we were younger, so she tempted me. I don't think her and I did anything wrong, because we were consenting adults, but if she was a nutjob, she could very easily be like one of these women who would say I ruined her marriage or something, and because I'm the man, I'm the one who will get all the blame.Which is why I said that as long as
If she was a crazy loon like these people, I'd already be in a prime position to be #metoo-ed
But that's the thing. Chris Avelone said things which paint him in a negative light, amplified when women (and male colleagues) start talking about past incidents.
Which is why I said that as long as
Am I naive for thinking this? Maybe I am. We have a saying in Greece, 'There's truth in both sides of the spectrum'. I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone didn't do anything which would cause certain women to consider him a sleazebag, and I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone should be cancelled and expelled from social media, the gaming industry and life in general just because he sent an SMS telling a woman that he'd like to lick her vagina.
It's the story with the hotel which is kinda shady right now (blackouts, a potential drunk-rape going wrong because of the victim having her period and whatnot) - but THIS, THIS is what pisses me off. And I admit I play a part in it, right now. Look at us, everyone saying his piece, others becoming lawyers, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges and executioners in BOTH sides of the fence. Both sides quick to condemn the other side's 'victim' as innocent of guilty.
'He's a disgusting piece of shit', 'he didn't do anything wrong' or 'She's just an attention whore', 'she's so brave for speaking out', etc. While we weren't there. While we know NOTHING but anecdotal 'evidence' from (so far) one side.
You're part of the problem when you buy into this gossip and put the burden on Chris to expose more of his personal life in order to respond adequately. It's no one's business.
To be honest the groping accusation is the one I don't believe. Sounds honestly fake, embellished and doesn't have enough context. Its also the one Chris completely ignored.
Also it's more of a drinking problem than a *think with your dick problem*. Outside of drinking he's often a very humble and friendly guy to the point where he's always the first to point to the ability of others than his own. But yeah, the last 10 years haven't been good to him.
Nickolaidas
Member
Even if she accuses you of such a thing, as long as other women you know were never treated badly by you, they won't rush to her defense.
But maybe I'm just judging by how things work in my country. The crazy hasn't really settled in Greece so far. We have snobbish chicks, but not this social media trial fuckfest you Americans have lately.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
"I worked with Chris Avellone briefly on JFO. I never saw his alarming behavior in person; he was always kind and professional to me. That said, not only do I believe the women coming forward, I am FURIOUS at what he's done to them. To those women: I love and respect your courage!" - danger haired person
Aren't people great?
Nickolaidas
Member
... I get what you're saying, but this is isn't the *exact* same thing. The woman says she worked briefly with him (thus, is not 100% sold that what she saw was his real personality), and there are more than one incidents popping up with him as the (sigh) 'perpetrator'.
But yeah, on a backstabbing scale of 1 to 10, I give this a solid 7.
EDIT: I know I shouldn't make jokes, but it reads like: "I've worked with Chris in the past and he was very polite and professional to me. That said, fuck him."
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Shantae
Banned
Yeah, things are getting beyond fucked here in America. It's not always about what's true. I just used an example of how I could get fucked over for one thing, but there are people out there who will get fucked over by the mob because they'll believe liars.
ProJared is a great example. There was a big scandal when his wife tried to ruin his life on social media because they were getting divorced, and through this, people came out of the woodwork trying to ruin his life more to get attention. The one thing a lot of people remember from his scandal was that pictures of his penis were every where, but like it or not, showing off your penis is not an offense. A couple of people tried to ruin his life though by saying they were underage, and that he tried to solicit nudes from them. The sad thing is, everyone bought into their story, and he was almost canceled. However Jared played it smart, and kept quiet for a while, then came out swinging with receipts that basically proved that the people who were accusing him of shit were lying. Fortunately he was able to claim back his career because he stood up for himself in a smart way, but not everyone is as smart or lucky.
darth.shrimp
Member
The only constructive thing I learned by looking at her twitter... is the death of Ian Holm. 
RIP you legend.
RIP you legend.
Lanrutcon
Member
My two cents: everyone (every single one) has had an experience in their love lives that can be painted in a negative light by recounting a partial and/or warped version of events. You think you don't? You're a fucking idiot or a monk who's lived a chaste life on a mountain somewhere.
Anyone who thinks they're immune to cancelling is a sucker waiting to be taken advantage of.
That's what you're up against. He was kind and professional to her, but fuck him. right? She's literally discounting what she knows for a fact based on an rumor she read on the internet. No wonder marketing works so well in the modern age. These people will buy anything you feed them as long as it paints them as a supporter of The Cause(tm).
Anyone who thinks they're immune to cancelling is a sucker waiting to be taken advantage of.
That's what you're up against. He was kind and professional to her, but fuck him. right? She's literally discounting what she knows for a fact based on an rumor she read on the internet. No wonder marketing works so well in the modern age. These people will buy anything you feed them as long as it paints them as a supporter of The Cause(tm).
shaddam
Member
I have my pronouns in my twitter bio too. In my mother language, which don't have gender based pronouns. Some people get my joke, but nowadays I find lot of people who somehow blocked me. I'm not even tweeted at them, and dont know who they are
Tesseract
Banned
retard
At ResetEra they’re simply banning anyone who expresses an opinion counter to theirs. At Neogaf the site owner allows people to say what they think - and then actually debates them.
Thanks to EviLore for choosing the more righteous path.
Hudo
Member
Problem with this is that then they get accused of "disrespecting freedom of speech". So the only winning move is to not play, i.e., to not use those platforms at all and let all the crazy people be among themselves. Maybe they'll cancel each other out.
Handel
Member
It is annoying to me that it's Weekes because he has written so many good characters/sections of games. Not going to cancel him though for being a cuck, as there's such a thing as separation of art from the artist.
Weekes is someone that once famously said *Jessica Alba is just a sex object. That's all she is* on a messageboard.
True hero of feminism.
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VN1X
Banned
What a surprise, green hair.
(Look I know that's a juvenile take and super hypocritical as well considering my background but you just can't make this stuff up any more. It's real life
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Optimistic Gamer
Member
What? People being hypocritical and taking sides without any actual knowledge about the people involved?!What a surprise, green hair.
(Look I know that's a juvenile take and super hypocritical as well considering my background but you just can't make this stuff up any more. It's real life
ON NEOGAF?!!
I'm shocked.
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Shadowstar39
Member
He better he already lost his job with that company.
Take a look at the head writer by the way. This way landers looks like a game to avoid at all osts, going by the writers and such.
Are non activist, normal people writers anymore, or are they just not getting hired?
Emily Grace buck (would link Twitter but neogaf doesn't allow pastes from the phone browser).. If you look at who she retweets many are lead writer for ubisoft Montreal, lead writer for x y and z game company. They are all women with some activist group in their Twitter, facial pricing or big glasses, far left political views and feminists. How did all these people get jobs writing for video games?
No wonder video game stories and narrative sucks today.
Helios
Member
Even if this was a matter of two sides going against each-other you can compare the gravity of both sides. One side is accusing someone of being a sexual predator, rapist etc. and the other side is counter-accusing them of being a liar and a grifter . One of these is going to be a permanent stain on someone's reputation and could potentially ruin their lives while the other one will vanish in a few weeks.But that's the thing. Chris Avelone said things which paint him in a negative light, amplified when women (and male colleagues) start talking about past incidents.
Which is why I said that as long as
Am I naive for thinking this? Maybe I am. We have a saying in Greece, 'There's truth in both sides of the spectrum'. I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone didn't do anything which would cause certain women to consider him a sleazebag, and I refuse to believe that Chris Avelone should be cancelled and expelled from social media, the gaming industry and life in general just because he sent an SMS telling a woman that he'd like to lick her vagina.
It's the story with the hotel which is kinda shady right now (blackouts, a potential drunk-rape going wrong because of the victim having her period and whatnot) - but THIS, THIS is what pisses me off. And I admit I play a part in it, right now. Look at us, everyone saying his piece, others becoming lawyers, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges and executioners in BOTH sides of the fence. Both sides quick to condemn the other side's 'victim' as innocent of guilty.
'He's a disgusting piece of shit', 'he didn't do anything wrong' or 'She's just an attention whore', 'she's so brave for speaking out', etc. While we weren't there. While we know NOTHING but anecdotal 'evidence' from (so far) one side.
However, this whole "scandal" is based on nothing. She got drunk, Avellone came onto her, she refused, he backed off. And this is coming from HER mouth, without hearing both sides of the argument like you put it.
I don't care what Avellone does at Cons and it's none of my business. If he is a sleezebag than so be it. But if he did something illegal she should've called the police and settled it in court. Or any of the other girls that apparently had the same thing happen for years but never spoke up about it until now. Not one of them.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
> In 2013, I forgave Chris for this. I never forgot about it, though.
> Now let me just publicly lambast him for it even though I claim to have forgiven him for the faux pas years ago.
LordCBH
Member
I didn’t need more evidence to convince me that he’s a piece of talentless garbage, but I’ll happily take more evidence of it.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Given the hours developers work this all seems impossible and than they want us to believe these claims without any evidence? That's where I'm coming from.
Humdinger
Member
Nah, don't do that. That's what your social anxiety wants you to do anyway, and if you just always give in to the avoidance, you'll be stuck with it forever, and it'll get worse over time.
The thing about social media is that it highlights these sorts of cases and makes them appear more common than they really are. Wahmen and male feminists shine a spotlight on them on social media, mostly in order to virtue signal and feel good about their moral righteousness. IRL, these things aren't that common. In your mind, the probabilities are inflated.
That's not to say it doesn't happen, or that you don't need to protect yourself. You need to be smart about it. You need to be very careful about which women you let into your life or hang out with. You should know the red flags, and if you see them, walk.
I'm just talking about normal relationships with women here (colleagues, friends), not romantic-sexual relationships. The latter brings you to a much higher level of risk, and the need to be really particular about who you date or sleep with, and under what circumstances. Then you really need to know the red flags and be cautious. I've found watching a lot of "red pill" content helpful, although some of it can be stupid (as always, you have to be selective).
Anyhow, I'm just saying -- don't let the twitter mob win by turning you into a scared, avoidant hermit. The world isn't THAT dangerous. Most women are not feminist wack jobs or vindictive harpies. Maybe 20%? There are a lot of good people in the world, including women. Try not to let the 20% shape your whole view.
Scotty W
Member
Well lookee here. Looks like Vek Vek is takin our premises and reasoning with em to reach absurd and contradictory conclusions. Lets get im yall!
KungFucius
King Snowflake
It's shit like this that makes it hard to have a conversation with people from the middle. This is not remotely similar to a lying world leader. It is some gossiping asshole trying to turn a big nothing into something.
What would you fact check, that these people were in the same circles and have verified contact at some industry gatherings? Why does this even need to have mention of Trump other than the fact that he has been directly accused of sexual assault by over a dozen women? That you go there hints at some kind of obsession.
I find this whole thing bothersome. I see nothing more than a sleezy guy doing shit that probably works with a lot of women but turns off the ones that are out of his league. So what? Posting text that may have come from him 6 years ago to shame him? Why. Why be that type of person? Social media shaming can destroy a person's career and life. Everyone knows this so if you participate in this behavior, you are knowingly trying to ruin someone and where there is a family, you are hurting them too.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
The original meaning is conning someone into thinking they’re going mad. It’s quite sophisticated psychological abuse - so you might pretend a thing happened that the other person doesn’t remember and keep on at it until they either agree it happened or start questioning their sanity.
Now it just means that a man lied once or twice.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nah most girls aren't like this. And the ones that are have telltale signs. Just be prepared to run at the first red flag.
A lot of guys put up with horrible women because we are brainwashed into believing that all women are angels. No, women are just as awful as men. They are only human. You just need to be smart and know when to cut and run, and when to stick around.
One piece of advice, if a woman starts to blame you for every rotten thing in her life, that's your cue to leave. If she's just upset and needs consoling or a trip to the Ice cream shop then she's normal. These girls won't out you for every shitty thing you may or may not have done in a relationship.