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Xbox Series X Price Won’t Be Revealed During The July Event
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Wait was $599 one of the prices EB Games had listed? That is kind of ridiculous if true, but wasn't there an earlier placeholder that also basically had $599 when converted?
I really can't picture PS5 being $599, or Series X for that matter. At least one of them is going to stick to $499 as their upper limit.
Can picture MS announcing Series S's price before Series X's one. And I think if Sony does reveal price on the 13th, it might be the Digital Edition and not the disc one.
This probably doesn't make sense to do, but it's an option in any case.
Actually I don't see this being the case at all. Why?
-Lower high yield requirements since the GPU is clocked lower (this can negate the assumed higher cost for the larger APU)
-Bad yields can be easily repurposed for Azure server racket clusters
-Less features-packed controller
-Potentially cheaper cost on NAND chips (depending on the configuration i.e either 4x 256 GB chips or 16x 64 GB chips with 4x chips muxed to a single channel)
-Contract discount benefits through other silicon and APU design deals with AMD on other product lines (Surface tablets, CPU/GPU
purchases for Azure servers, etc.)
-Less demanding cooling (ties back to GPU clock)
-Simpler fixed frequency power supply solution
-Smaller physical dimensions than PS5 (saves on costs).
So in actuality I think it's very possible PS5 has the higher BOM than Series X, likely by $25 - $40.
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NeoIkaruGAF
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I’d be extremely surprised by either of the most expensive SKUs being even a dollar less than $449. I think $399 is pure fantasy even for the discless PS5.
MS should let Sony announce price first. Lockhart is going to be less expensive than PS5 either way, and even if PS5 and XSX were the same price you know everywhere except in the US most people are going for the PlayStation no matter what. MS could eat a loss just for being able to say they have the most powerful hardware for, say, $20 less than the PS5.
MS should let Sony announce price first. Lockhart is going to be less expensive than PS5 either way, and even if PS5 and XSX were the same price you know everywhere except in the US most people are going for the PlayStation no matter what. MS could eat a loss just for being able to say they have the most powerful hardware for, say, $20 less than the PS5.
TheContact
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I think the XSX is going to be able to get away selling at a lower price point than the PS5. I also think both companies are sort of waiting for one of them to come out and release a price so they can either undercut or match. These kind of games are really stupid. I hope they just announce $499 for both consoles.
Birdo
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Nothing shows recklessness like autoerotic asphyxiation.
TheAmazingSpiderMan
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Pulling these outta my ass but i'm pretty sure the prices will be
PS5 digital - $399
PS5 physical - $499
Xbox Series S - $299
Xbox Serie X - $499 or $550
Don't see how the S can be any cheaper.
PS5 digital - $399
PS5 physical - $499
Xbox Series S - $299
Xbox Serie X - $499 or $550
Don't see how the S can be any cheaper.
MatrixReloaded101
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Sony and MS wants to show the value of the console and the launch games we get before throwing out the price ... its a common business tactic.
If we had E3 this year they probably would have announced it than but now that they have more time why rush it....
If we had E3 this year they probably would have announced it than but now that they have more time why rush it....
BusierDonkey
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They won't announce price until lockheart is revealed im sure it will be all at once. They can't price lockheart with out Sony prices it needs to be 149.99 less than the discless PS5 so either 249.99 or 299.99. They will just list the whole family prices with all access pricing.
BusierDonkey
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I'm guessing based on the cost of the gen4 SSD and cooling solution Sony has gone with (blower-style fans mounted on both sides of the main PCB) and the much more complicated build of the console itself that the disc version will be $599.99. The DE will be $499.99 and be their loss leader. Expansion drives are NVMe, but gen 4 NVMe drives are currently prohibitively expensive with 5 GB/s 1TB drives sitting near $300. Cuurently there isn't a 5.5GB/s+ NVMe drive on the market but I expect the 1TB Samsung 980 Pro will be priced equal or higher than the current 1TB 970 Evo which is currently $270.
The Xbox looks like it's designed to be assembled quickly and it's quite simple in terms of materials (no flashy bits like glowing lights). The cooling solution consists of a single 120mm fan and a well-planned pcb arrangement. The whole thing is so simple to assemble that game journalists were doing it at their reveal event. I expect the Series S will be $299.99 and the Series X will be the same $499.9 as the PS5 DE. I expect a Series X DE will be shown and will also sell for $499.99 but will include a 1TB expansion drive in the box. I expect expansion drive pricing will be $129.99 for 1TB, and $179.99 for 2 TB.
Neither wants to announce first to avoid a similar situation to Sony's mic drop moments with both the Playstation and the PS4. Sony will try to avoid a PS3 scenario as well.
Jim Ryan has stated:
He sees current economic turmoil with people stuck at home as a platform to justify higher pricing. Hoping that people will spend more for entertainment at home. Historically models show $499 is about the ceiling for console pricing as anything above that tends to become a meme. Softening the $599 price point by talking about overall value.
Phil has has stated:
He sees that a financial downturn leaves many people with little after bills are paid and no rational person is buying a new gaming console when they might not make rent that month. I think the strategy will be to offer an entry-level model at a cheap price, and have the top model accessible so that people thinking about playing the new games might see the $299.99 price and be able to justify it. Some might still leave the showroom with the X.
Two very different opinions on how the economy will be affecting the purchase of their products. I know for a lot of the people I work with, they couldn't justify the X1X or PS4 Pro consoles and stuck with the launch versions of each. Of those, most bought PS4s and Xbones after the first price drop. That was during a stronger economy and they are all taking home $50-70K a year.
I really think a cheaper Series S as an alternative to the main systems will sell really well assuming Microsoft can get some hype rolling with their game reveals and take back the casual audience they lost with the Xbone. The PS1, PS2, Wii and Switch are all good indicators that pricing is just as important as hardware capability. If Microsoft can get the price to be as impressive as the hardware capability they should be able to make some serious headway.
On the other hand, maybe everything I wrote is wrong and the Atari VCS will put Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft out of business.
The Xbox looks like it's designed to be assembled quickly and it's quite simple in terms of materials (no flashy bits like glowing lights). The cooling solution consists of a single 120mm fan and a well-planned pcb arrangement. The whole thing is so simple to assemble that game journalists were doing it at their reveal event. I expect the Series S will be $299.99 and the Series X will be the same $499.9 as the PS5 DE. I expect a Series X DE will be shown and will also sell for $499.99 but will include a 1TB expansion drive in the box. I expect expansion drive pricing will be $129.99 for 1TB, and $179.99 for 2 TB.
Neither wants to announce first to avoid a similar situation to Sony's mic drop moments with both the Playstation and the PS4. Sony will try to avoid a PS3 scenario as well.
Jim Ryan has stated:
He sees current economic turmoil with people stuck at home as a platform to justify higher pricing. Hoping that people will spend more for entertainment at home. Historically models show $499 is about the ceiling for console pricing as anything above that tends to become a meme. Softening the $599 price point by talking about overall value.
Phil has has stated:
He sees that a financial downturn leaves many people with little after bills are paid and no rational person is buying a new gaming console when they might not make rent that month. I think the strategy will be to offer an entry-level model at a cheap price, and have the top model accessible so that people thinking about playing the new games might see the $299.99 price and be able to justify it. Some might still leave the showroom with the X.
Two very different opinions on how the economy will be affecting the purchase of their products. I know for a lot of the people I work with, they couldn't justify the X1X or PS4 Pro consoles and stuck with the launch versions of each. Of those, most bought PS4s and Xbones after the first price drop. That was during a stronger economy and they are all taking home $50-70K a year.
I really think a cheaper Series S as an alternative to the main systems will sell really well assuming Microsoft can get some hype rolling with their game reveals and take back the casual audience they lost with the Xbone. The PS1, PS2, Wii and Switch are all good indicators that pricing is just as important as hardware capability. If Microsoft can get the price to be as impressive as the hardware capability they should be able to make some serious headway.
On the other hand, maybe everything I wrote is wrong and the Atari VCS will put Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft out of business.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
As someone who has live on both sides economically, I can tell you that prices does not matter if people are struggling financially to that extent.
If people can't make rent or keep up with bills they are not buying a new system no matter if its $300 or $500 and i think that's the point that people are missing here.
I think at the end of the day the games are wayyyyy more important than the price and that is MS's biggest issue
Sony isn't talking about a "lockhart" because they know the PS5 will sell well even at $500 because they have always delivered with good exclusive titles.
The PS3 launched at an unheard of price of $600 and they still outsold MS even though the 360 had a 1 year head start and was $200 cheaper because Sony has better games ....
VincentMatts
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thats not hiding, thats silence. TOTALLY different.
edit: MS want the XSX to be at least the same price as ps5. Sony will break first.
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It is not just the price of the console it is games and extra controller for families. It can bring day 1 cost with tax to well over 600 dollars usd that is for 1 console lots of families have 2 one for each kid so your looking at 1100 usd i removed the controller. With lockheart and gamepass a family can walk out spending less than 400 usd for a set up with extra controller. If they already had a xbox it is closer to 320 usd. For multiple console families that is 800 or 700 usf vs 1100 dollars that huge and could get a lot of people on board years before they normally would.
THE:MILKMAN
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Actually both have indicated and reiterated a global launch (as in within a month in all major territories)? That will be a first for Sony and Microsoft I think.
They must be making more launch units available for November than any of their console launches before. They also seem to have started production a good time earlier too going by reports, which again points to more units.
Amount of territories means nothing. All about available units. I hope you're right by the way.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
At the very least it points to them having more units available day 1 lest they create really bad shortages in their biggest markets. I seriously doubt that is the plan!
Anyone know what PS4 and Xbox One shipped in the launch month? Maybe we can roughly extrapolate how many extra units they would need to cover all territories?
TheCrimsnFuckr
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I mean, it makes sense. They are yet to even talk about Lockhart which is absolutely going to be crucial to the Xbox pricing scheme. They want this showcase to also be all about the games, so they won't talk about Lockhart hardware or anything like that either during the show.
Sony is ready to talk PS5 Price along with some more game announcements in August (hopefully with a defined launch lineup and launch window) and MS is also planning on unveiling the Lockhart in August most likely along with some more games (or an outline of the launch experience with services and what not) and will likely unveil the price then. If I had to guess, the Series X and PS5 will both be $499 and Lockhart will be $299 or $250 depending on the PS5 DE cost.
Sony is ready to talk PS5 Price along with some more game announcements in August (hopefully with a defined launch lineup and launch window) and MS is also planning on unveiling the Lockhart in August most likely along with some more games (or an outline of the launch experience with services and what not) and will likely unveil the price then. If I had to guess, the Series X and PS5 will both be $499 and Lockhart will be $299 or $250 depending on the PS5 DE cost.
sonomamashine
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Ok let me try this, source
PS5 digital 499$
PS5 physic 549$/599$
Xbox Series S 299$
Xbox Series X 549$/599$
There is zero percent chance at 599.99-499.99 from Sony the marketing team is not stupid the memes from the ps3 would write themselves. The absolute high price would be 499.99 -549.99 for the 2. I can't see Microsoft going over 499.99 they are not stupid they have zero mindshare and can't charge a crazy price to start or end doa like last time.Ok let me try this, source
PS5 digital 499$
PS5 physic 549$/599$
Xbox Series S 299$
Xbox Series X 549$/599$
MatrixReloaded101
Member
This is MS we are talking about not Nintendo
REE Machine
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Told ya'll its a game of chicken between MS and Sony for price
sonomamashine
Member
I agree but i was thinking about the digital version, IMO the 50$ cut between the standard and DE doesn't make sense, for me if i see a 100$ difference it might convince more people to get the DE but 50$ wont attract people to buy it.
Not everyone wants to give each kid a 299.99 breakable losable device. Especially since dad can play a game or 2 when everyone goes to bed like the old days.
Lots of people are going digital anyways so the smaller device with any savings is cool. Also the 100 dollar is not needed these will be in short supply people will take what they can take. Sony could save a a few hundred million dollars on the first 5 million discless units. Hell they could be dicks and short supply the disc version lol they have mindshare people will eat any shit sandwich Sony serves up.
sonomamashine
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Sony will make more money from the digital edition because they get more % (money) from games sold on the store, that's why 100$ price difference make more sense.
don't forget the SSD is not even 1TB, even 1TB is not enough for next gen games (File size).
Gamerguy84
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I bet neither prices them. Youll have to grab one and go the register.
The cyberpunk bundle was the last one x to be produced. Im sure the xbox one is also discontinued. Microsoft is way a head on hardware compared to the usual generation. If the software was ready I think they could do a September launch.
Sony only gets 8 more dollars per game on the digital store. The drive with Sony connections and patents probably only costs then 20-30 dollars. So in the 100 dollars less scenario Sony would need to sell you 7-10 games to break even that is a ton.
"Based on information from our sources, the estimate is that a digital purchase yields the platform holder an extra $8 or so"
In Theory: Can the PS5 Digital Edition deliver a cheaper next-gen console?
The recent PlayStation 5 showcase climaxed with a rendered debut of the console's final form factor - showcasing a some…
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anothertech
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MS and Phil trying to avoid this fiasco again
MoistPenetration
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Makes no sense to announce a price for the XSX until they show Lockhart, plus they want the focus on games this month. No need to rush it
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Deleted member 471617
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I'm not expecting Microsoft or Sony to announce the prices and release date until late August when pre-orders go live. I'm sticking with the same predictions that I have had for months.
November 6th
Xbox Series S - $300
Xbox Series X - $500
November 20th
PlayStation 5 Digital - $500
PlayStation 5 Disc - $600
November 6th
Xbox Series S - $300
Xbox Series X - $500
November 20th
PlayStation 5 Digital - $500
PlayStation 5 Disc - $600
AllBizness
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Kinda worrisome people see more value in the PS5 and expect it to be more expensive even thought its not the most powerful console.
I don't see any of them being more than $500 even if they have to eat the cost. Sony has already went on record as saying they understand price is important. If they were going to launch at a high price I think they would have already announced it by now to get the negative press out the way.
They are both playing chicken because they both plan to lose money but they are hesitant on how much. If you start too low you shoot yourself in the foot.
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chigstoke
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End of the day, no fucker knows till the prices are actually announced. It’s all fun and games guessing.
This situation confirms what I have long suspected. Whoever reveals last has the pricing reveal advantage. All of these E3 expo conferences from years past always had folks saying that it didn't matter who revealed first because the prices were already set well before that time. I always was under the impression that the "set in stone" price for reveals was probably decided on really close to showtime. Especially if you reveal last. Sony had been very smart always choosing to last.
Fast forward to now and it's the same old game. Whoever reveals last has the pricing reveal advantage. Took MS long enough to finally get hip to it.
Fast forward to now and it's the same old game. Whoever reveals last has the pricing reveal advantage. Took MS long enough to finally get hip to it.
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THE:MILKMAN
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But it will/is getting silly. One will have to 'go first' even if that is by hours. Let's see if there is any truth to that 13th July rumour for PS5 price.
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MasterCornholio
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Did you have that information vetted?
That's what
Nikana
did with his leak. Maybe do the same with the mods to stop it from getting shut down?
MasterCornholio
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I need to find it but I believe that
oldergamer
said that a retailer told him what the PS5 price would be.I'll get back to you once I find it.
Edit: Found it.
PS5 price $599 USD and $699 CAD
An industry friend of mine just told me he heard from his contact at the ebgames head office. The price he told him was in the range of $599 USD for ps5. 699 CAD
I can see why it was shut down. It wasn't just a discussion on what the possible price might me. It was actually a claim to information from within the industry. I usually don't have an issue with this if it comes from an insider, or in your case, is actually vetted by the mods.
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Oh most definitely someone has to go first. We just get to see the game of chicken being played out in the open for all to see. My suspision is this game isn't a new thing in the videogame industry. Not by a long shot for anyone who has been paying attention close enough these past few gens.
oldergamer
Member
We will see if that was right. 699 CAD sucksI need to find it but I believe that
I'll get back to you once I find it.
Edit: Found it.
PS5 price $599 USD and $699 CAD
An industry friend of mine just told me he heard from his contact at the ebgames head office. The price he told him was in the range of $599 USD for ps5. 699 CADwww.neogaf.com
I can see why it was shut down. It wasn't just a discussion on what the possible price might me. It was actually a claim to information from within the industry. I usually don't have an issue with this if it comes from an insider, or in your case, is actually vetted by the mods.
MasterCornholio
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You should have had that information vetted with the mods before creating that thread.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It is fascinating to watch develop. One of the only interesting things in the lead up to release right now to be honest.
I will go out on a limb and suggest these consoles might be cheaper than many think and talk of $549 or even the panic inducing $599 is frankly crazy talk. If either even get close to this pricing they will be laughed at and especially in this current economic climate. I know I wouldn't mind waiting a short while until they clear their heads and cut the pricing. Which they will have to do.
//DEVIL//
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This is really getting on my nerv. same goes for the new GPU from Nvidia.
like what the fuck are these people waiting for ????
the price of this shit is between 450 to 600. anything more they can their assess good bye. so just annouce the price for it so we can fucking preorder .
its 4 months away for fucks sake.
like what the fuck are these people waiting for ????
the price of this shit is between 450 to 600. anything more they can their assess good bye. so just annouce the price for it so we can fucking preorder .
its 4 months away for fucks sake.