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[Tulipanzo]

So, what are the PS5 launch games exactly? According to Eurogamer the only confirmed titles for launch are 'Astro's Playroom' and 'Fortnight'.
Do you have release dates for anything else?

Spider-Man mate, do you even check this forum?

 

[JonnyMP3]

I wasn't talking about you. Just Moore's Law is Dead who for some strange reason has been popping up everywhere lately and been quoted by major PC-centric websites.

CU count slightly increased would be a huge surprise. If he turns out to be correct on several of those, sure, I'll start taking him seriously.

Also, of course, there is more than meets the eye. We don't even know 1/5th of what the PS5 is really made of.

As someone else posted somewhere else, it was Redtech that told Moores law about the 38CUs.

 

[intheinbetween]

Yes he is a small youtuber. I do my own digging. Cerny patents that relate to a higher tier VRS and new Geometry engine features and posters thought it was RDNA1......Also Matt Hargett teased similar :



Seems to me there is more to Ps5 customisations than meets the eye.



Cerny did just that, he teased this in Road to Ps5. Do you want a timestamp ?

Cerny talked about if future PC RDNA GPU designs see features that we put in Ps5, then we have been successful with our collaboration with AMD - why would he say that ?

Cerny is not a boaster, there is something under the bonnet here.

Did he mention RDNA3? Because if he did, there wouldn't be this speculation, since that would be a fact. So correct me if I'm wrong, it would be much appreciated if you could post the excerpt in which he mentioned features from RDNA3.

Cerny did his talk, the talk Sony wanted him to do, and that's it. I'm not saying he's a liar, but the didn't disclose any insightful information other than how fast their SSD solution was, and he focused really hard on that, if RDNA3 features are implemented he would have talked about them too, there's no need to hide features to shock your customers/viewers.

 

[rob305]

And moores law is dead is claiming the new GE in Ps5 is RDNA3 (there are 2 sony patents) and Sony has some custom RT solution. Just a rimour and not from me.

We await teardowns, one thing is clear is that Sony games are more advanced technically by far at the moment. That Halo infinite gameplay was shocking.

When did MisterXMedia switch sides?

 

[eastwood333]

Sony fans getting too cocky over MS showing games way too early and clearly not ready to be shown.

XSX future will be bright with Avowed, SoD 3, Forza, Hellblade2, The Initiatives new game, Fable, etc...

 

[Thugnificient]

As someone else posted somewhere else, it was Redtech that told Moores law about the 38CUs.

I did a quick Google search for RedGamingTech and it seems he's blown a lot of hot air such as claiming Navi would be delayed until October 2019 or that Navi 20(whatever that is) would support ray tracing.

Is he credible?

 

[INC]

Rather turn it off for a few years

 

[intheinbetween]

As someone else posted somewhere else, it was Redtech that told Moores law about the 38CUs.

"..But a lot I told him I wasn't sure about, like the RT bump (I'll talk about that in today's video) and also the 38CU"

Ok, seems legit

 

[JonnyMP3]

I did a quick Google search for RedGamingTech and it seems he's blown a lot of hot air such as claiming Navi would be delayed until October 2019 or that Navi 20(whatever that is) would support ray tracing.

Is he credible?

I have no idea about either YouTuber tbh. I'm not a PC guy. Surely there's some PCMRers that can let us know the level of these 2.

 

[geordiemp]

When did MisterXMedia switch sides?

Ad hominem. Idiots can always participate with insults

Obviously your not smart enough to discuss, thats OK, lie down, take it easy. Or try again, ?

 

[eastwood333]

I did a quick Google search for RedGamingTech and it seems he's blown a lot of hot air such as claiming Navi would be delayed until October 2019 or that Navi 20(whatever that is) would support ray tracing.

Is he credible?

Eh, most of his videos are speculative pieces. He does appear to have more knowledge than the typical armchair dev'n on forums.

 

[sonyfifa]

I was surprised when I learned that.

Yet 343 with 100's of millions of dollars and hundreds of people can't do anything even visually appealing.

Not all games are created equal.

 

[nikolino840]

No one wants raytracing

 

[Dory16]

After the shows I think it's very clear which company/studios/games will be at the forefront in showcasing generation defining graphical features like Ray-Tracing. Sony has made it a point to have its exclusive games showcase the jump next-gen with:

Spider-man Miles Morales
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
Demons Souls Remake
Gran Turismo 7
Horizon Forbidden West
Godfall
Deathloop

All feature Ray-tracing, making use of the dedicated hardware to improve the visual fidelity/lighting of the game.

-----------
Returnal?
The Cat Game?

Did I miss any? Do you agree or disagree with the conclusion?

Yes I agree, Spider-man Miles Morales is the flag bearer of next gen and ray tracing. You forgot Sackboy.

 

[ZZZZ]

Not all games are created equal.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I haven't seem much in terms of RT for the ps5, which is also because we haven't seem a whole lot for it aside from very few gameplays and a bunch of trailers.

Minecraft RT is still the flagbearer imho, no other game so far did a better job of showcasing it

 

[Journey]

When did MisterXMedia switch sides?

LOL, I've seen this guy before, he's like the equivalent of MisterXMedia, but for PlayStation. Funny thing is, he pretends to be unbiased, but it drips out of his pores.

 

[Rikkori]

Not all games are created equal.

That's a lot of fluffers. Or maybe just a lot of fluff.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

That really doesn't look very good. Just super shiny effects with derivative textures and art direction.

The new transformers X crysis hybrid is far better looking.

Meh. I think that game looks good too actually and I want to learn more about it. But BMI just has a wow factor visually and in terms of fidelity that I hope becomes a standard for next-gen (with even better to follow).

The topic reads, Are PS5 exclusives the flag bearers of Ray Tracing this generation? No, because apparently a 3rd party game called Bright Memory Infinite has out done them all in the Ray Tracing department lol

People are sleeping on BMI I'm telling 'ya. Imagine if that team had the manpower and budget of a AAA game. Sometimes, talent does trump money

Some fans needs a savior, any savior in this this dark times

Or it just has really impressive RT and a visual punch that impressed people who like all kinds of games on multiple platforms?

 

[ZywyPL]

Look at this man's face OP and say it again:

Don't get me wrong, RT will become a widely available feature thanks to the upcoming consoles, but we already saw how gimped it has to be in order to run, even at 30FPS, so obviously the consoles are not where you should look at when searching for great RT effects. Half if not more games showed so far don't even have any sort of RT effects at all, and I think that will be the case throughout entire upcoming generation.

 

[Knitted Knight]

No, raytracing will be far better on PC. RTX on/off showcases will be the flagbearers.

But the Sony exclusives are hype as fuck, as always.

I don't think it can be argued that monster graphic cards from both Nvidia and AMD (found only on PC rigs) will be the the place you'll find the most complete showcase of the technology. However, it's Sony's first party exclusives (through sheer numbers), that are pushing the envelope and raising gamer expectations of what to expect as a standard next-gen. This in turn raises expectations for what third party publishers must aspire to ship with their titles (else feel the wrath of consumers). We all know if left with no market pressure (in essence peer pressure in the gaming world), the big third party publishers will be happy to stagnate and profit and won't take advantage of the power of those high-end graphic cards (as many do today). You only see isolated cases. When a console manufacturer goes all-in with their exclusives and studios, it creates a snowball effect hard to avoid getting tangled with (specially a market leader like Sony). That's is the point.

 

[Bojanglez]

Sony fans getting too cocky over MS showing games way too early and clearly not ready to be shown.

XSX future will be bright with Avowed, SoD 3, Forza, Hellblade2, The Initiatives new game, Fable, etc...

...in 2023

 

[EverydayBeast]

Gamers will be buying the PS5 for things like ray tracing, Spider-Man and graphics.

 

[Flintty]

I said no because the question and reasoning offered in OP is fanboy dribble

 

[Topfuel]

...in 2023

and you think Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla, Bend are ready in 1 year with their Ps5 games?

 

[-thirdeye-]

The RT reflections in R&C were so gimped, it's almost a travesty to consider it ray tracing. PS5's GPU is too weak for proper ray tracing, you'll get the sprinkles on top only. But don't expect much better from MS either.

If you want real RT, that's the domain of the PC and that's also where most of the GPU R&D goes right now. At least in terms of RT you can expect PC to pull away from consoles even further than it did in general vs PS4/X1.

I agree with you that ray tracing will be dominate in the PC space, but for the masses and 600$ budget, the consoles will provide enough RT to keep them happy.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Among console, yes.

 

[Bojanglez]

and you think Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla, Bend are ready in 1 year with their Ps5 games?

I never mentioned any Playstation studios. As far as I know only Guerrilla have shown a game for next gen (that you listed), I assume that is coming 2021, not sure if that was confirmed though.

 

[Rikkori]

I agree with you that ray tracing will be dominate in the PC space, but for the masses and 600$ budget, the consoles will provide enough RT to keep them happy.

For sure, I don't think people in general will care. The approximate techniques are just so good, it's not gonna matter for 99% of ppl.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Using it for reflections is low hanging fruit even more so when you culling/omitting objects to be reflected as seen with GT7 and R&C. Basically if you aren't using it for lighting then you aren't using it right. Hell if you aren't going to do triangle raytraced GI then at least use Voxel GI.

 

[Redlight]

Spider-Man mate, do you even check this forum?

I'd trust Eurogamer more than Tulipanzo from Gaf. If you have an issue, go talk to them...

All PlayStation 5 launch games on release
Here are the confirmed PlayStation 5 games confirmed to launch alongside the console so far (the date of which has yet to be confirmed, aside from '2020'):

• Astro's Playroom (coming pre-loaded on PS5)
• Fortnite

PS5 games list: All confirmed launch, exclusive and first-party PS5 games explained

Everything we currently know about the game lineup for the PS5, including launch games on release, first-party and excl…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[-Arcadia-]

On console, surprisingly, yes.

It was Microsoft that made all the early noise about ray-tracing, but it's the PS lineup that it's everywhere in, with games seemingly far closer to shipping.

A really underrated surprise of that showcase. People thought that 1: It wasn't going to be very viable on console, and 2: That it would barely show up on PS5.

Instead, we even have games running at 4K, with smart usages of ray-tracing that look absolutely great.

 

[Freeman]

Sony is the only one showing it, no? Assuming you are talking about consoles only that is. Maybe I missed it on other games other than MS showing a Minecraft demo.

 

[Mr Moose]

I'd trust Eurogamer more than Tulipanzo from Gaf. If you have an issue, go talk to them...

All PlayStation 5 launch games on release
Here are the confirmed PlayStation 5 games confirmed to launch alongside the console so far (the date of which has yet to be confirmed, aside from '2020'):

• Astro's Playroom (coming pre-loaded on PS5)
• Fortnite

PS5 games list: All confirmed launch, exclusive and first-party PS5 games explained

Everything we currently know about the game lineup for the PS5, including launch games on release, first-party and excl…

www.eurogamer.net

Spider-Man MM is a "Holiday 2020" game. The console will release in "Holiday 2020".

 

[Tulipanzo]

I'd trust Eurogamer more than Tulipanzo from Gaf. If you have an issue, go talk to them...

All PlayStation 5 launch games on release
Here are the confirmed PlayStation 5 games confirmed to launch alongside the console so far (the date of which has yet to be confirmed, aside from '2020'):

• Astro's Playroom (coming pre-loaded on PS5)
• Fortnite

PS5 games list: All confirmed launch, exclusive and first-party PS5 games explained

Everything we currently know about the game lineup for the PS5, including launch games on release, first-party and excl…

www.eurogamer.net

Spider-Man is Holiday 2020... Sure, let's trust Eurogamer over Sony

 

[Tulipanzo]

With the DF XBox coverage we now have confirmation. Fuck all RT outside of the "in-engine" "not-on-console" "early in development" Forza video.
Cross-gen focus working out great!

 

[Neo_game]

No, lot of compromise needs to be made for RT. Moreover Xbox has more powerful gpu. If I remember correctly Cyberpunk 2077 and Watchdogs2 were running 1080P DLSS2.0 with max settings, RT on RTX2080ti which is far superior to these consoles.

 

[SlimySnake]

I get that you guys are taking a victory lap, but RT will always be better on series x. if you really care about RT, either build a $2000 PC for next gen or get a series x. that 18% tflops difference is going to come in handy when both PS5 and XSX multiplats choose native 4k 30 fps and use the rest solely for ray tracing.

Also, you forgot Pragmata which is arguably the most impressive ray traced game at the show because its using ray traced reflections and GI.

 

[Neo_game]

I get that you guys are taking a victory lap, but RT will always be better on series x. if you really care about RT, either build a $2000 PC for next gen or get a series x. that 18% tflops difference is going to come in handy when both PS5 and XSX multiplats choose native 4k 30 fps and use the rest solely for ray tracing.

I think RT and overall gfx in multiplats will be same. Xbox probably will run games at little higher resolution or have more stable fps

 

[sendit]

Sony fans getting too cocky over MS showing games way too early and clearly not ready to be shown.

XSX future will be bright with Avowed, SoD 3, Forza, Hellblade2, The Initiatives new game, Fable, etc...

Can't believe you're still pushing this shtick.

SoD 3 was purely CGI as was Avowed, HellBlade No Show 2, and Fable. Halo Infinite's gameplay trailer wasn't even running on XSX hardware......The whole show was a PR disaster.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think RT and overall gfx in multiplats will be same. Xbox probably will run games at little higher resolution or have more stable fps

its possible. i think watch dogs will be a good first test.

 

[DarthFeanor]

For the price of a console, yes.
Sony has to push the fidelity in its exclusives even if it sacrifices a bit of resolution and frame rate.

But, imagine how Halo, Gears, Forza and others will run in RTX 3000 and Ryzen 4.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

...in 2023

So still before Gran Turismo...

 

[acm2000]

The brief Forza demo showed off better ray tracing than any of the mentioned.

 

[GymWolf]

i hope not, let devs use resources for something else, state of the art precanned light are still good to me.

 

[Exede]

The generation hasn´t even started, nobody can tell. (For me it starts when people own the hardware)

 

[93xfan]

No. Full path tracing with Minecraft and just better ray tracing hardware on the Xbox will likely cause more 3rd party games to have it on the Xbox rather than PS5. Of course we’ll have to wait and see.

Sony does seem to be doing a good job with ray tracing as well though.

 

[Dontero]

Depends only on existence of Lockhart.

If Lockhart is true then yes, if not then no.

 

[THEAP99]

I thought the ps5 didn't have hardware-based ray tracing

 

[BlueXImpulse]

I thought the ps5 didn't have hardware-based ray tracing

What made you think this?