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[Redlancet]

this thing is very inspired by the works of moebius

 

[TrainedRage]

My biggest gripe.... Mother’s nipples.

Clearly they are visible in some scenes, but she has no nipples. Why the glaring continuity error? Surly I’m not the only one who noticed this?

Could they not find any tape?

 

[Woo-Fu]

I find it interesting in an abstract way, but not very entertaining. The mix of very high tech and stone age living just doesn't make any sense, nor does most of the plot. The plot has more holes than the planet does. Don't even get me started on wardrobe.

 

[dorkimoe]

Finished episode one. Enjoyed it. She went HAM

 

[Mossybrew]

Enjoyed the first two episodes, it's weird enough to keep my interest.

 

[mango drank]

I find it interesting in an abstract way, but not very entertaining. The mix of very high tech and stone age living just doesn't make any sense, nor does most of the plot. The plot has more holes than the planet does. Don't even get me started on wardrobe.

I don't know my history so well, so I don't know what the wardrobe is supposed to be referencing. The Crusades? Or another important medieval Euro period / war?

What plot holes are you seeing? Feel free to spoiler tag.

As for me, I like the visuals, especially the industrial design of stuff, and the holographic user interfaces. I know those are Ridley Scott staples and they're in everything, but still, it's cool to see them evolve.

 

[Woo-Fu]

What plot holes are you seeing? Feel free to spoiler tag.

Spoiler

They have the technology to create a starship capable of interstellar travel but they don't have the technology to avoid a hole while landing.

They land on a planet and bring no food with them. There is one food plant local that they can grow and eat and it somehow magically provides every nutrient a human needs. They also didn't bother bringing any machines capable of manufacturing/synthesizing medicine.

The same plant has radioactive seeds but a war android has no way of detecting radiation. A war android that not only can't detect radiation but has no ability to diagnose human illnesses even though it was given additional programming specifically for the task of continuing the human species from embryos.

The same plant will only grow above the bones of the giant creatures, and both things were conveniently at their first and only landing site. How convenient, except for that radiation thing.

The same war android doesn't have night vision, doesn't have tracking ability, even though it was used vs. humans in war.

Back on the home planet they have full internal body scan technology but they can't tell the difference between somebody they scanned before and somebody who had plastic surgery to change their appearance.

A war android with enough power to hover indefinitely, using wide-range presumably sonic weaponry but runs out of energy regularly when unhappy with a situation.

Androids that need helmets during spaceflight, helmets that cover their heads, but don't protect their eyes or mouth, androids whose processors are in their torso anyhow, not in their head. The same androids that don't need helmets or armor or any sort of external protection on a new planet.

Two different ships that manage roughly 98% of light speed, not only that they manage exactly the same fraction of light speed.

A war android that can fly/hover indefinitely but can't fly down one of the holes on the planet.

Humans leaving a planet at constant war, where they were fighting androids called necromancers, yet somehow have no weapons effective against such androids, yet somehow don't know that they're simply wasting ammo/charge using their puny handguns against one.

There's a planet in the sweet spot, having water and an atmosphere. But wait, not only does it have water and an atmosphere, it's an atmosphere that humans can comfortably breathe, and a temperature range they can handle, oh and magically earth-normal gravity.

That's just the short list. I could probably go on indefinitely. This might as well be fantasy instead of sci-fi because none of the science makes any sense.

 

[Fbh]

Really enjoyed the first chapter. I like the concept and overall style and right now it seems like the story could go in a bunch of directions so I'm looking forward to watching more.

I agree some elements of the story don't seem to make that much sense so far but I imagine some of them will get explained or given further information later on.

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Wow this is really good. I’m enjoying HBOMax’s output so far

 

[mango drank]

Spoiler

They have the technology to create a starship capable of interstellar travel but they don't have the technology to avoid a hole while landing.

They land on a planet and bring no food with them. There is one food plant local that they can grow and eat and it somehow magically provides every nutrient a human needs. They also didn't bother bringing any machines capable of manufacturing/synthesizing medicine.

The same plant has radioactive seeds but a war android has no way of detecting radiation. A war android that not only can't detect radiation but has no ability to diagnose human illnesses even though it was given additional programming specifically for the task of continuing the human species from embryos.

The same plant will only grow above the bones of the giant creatures, and both things were conveniently at their first and only landing site. How convenient, except for that radiation thing.

The same war android doesn't have night vision, doesn't have tracking ability, even though it was used vs. humans in war.

Back on the home planet they have full internal body scan technology but they can't tell the difference between somebody they scanned before and somebody who had plastic surgery to change their appearance.

A war android with enough power to hover indefinitely, using wide-range presumably sonic weaponry but runs out of energy regularly when unhappy with a situation.

Androids that need helmets during spaceflight, helmets that cover their heads, but don't protect their eyes or mouth, androids whose processors are in their torso anyhow, not in their head. The same androids that don't need helmets or armor or any sort of external protection on a new planet.

Two different ships that manage roughly 98% of light speed, not only that they manage exactly the same fraction of light speed.

A war android that can fly/hover indefinitely but can't fly down one of the holes on the planet.

Humans leaving a planet at constant war, where they were fighting androids called necromancers, yet somehow have no weapons effective against such androids, yet somehow don't know that they're simply wasting ammo/charge using their puny handguns against one.

There's a planet in the sweet spot, having water and an atmosphere. But wait, not only does it have water and an atmosphere, it's an atmosphere that humans can comfortably breathe, and a temperature range they can handle, oh and magically earth-normal gravity.

That's just the short list. I could probably go on indefinitely. This might as well be fantasy instead of sci-fi because none of the science makes any sense.

Good catches. Some of that stuff I can let slide. No piece of fiction is completely free from plot holes, if you look hard enough. Some other stuff might have plausible explanations, that the showrunners might not have wanted to spend screen time or dialogue on. And I get the impression this show is to some degree religious allegory, so some of the stuff is probably meant to be taken as simple "just so" premises that you're supposed to grant, to give the show quirk and magical charm or something.

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here. Some of the stuff you brought up hits hard, lol.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Crusader dudes with machineguns while Metropolis robots fly around screaming them to death is the most Ridley Scott thing ever. I don't think anyone held him back this time. Pure kino.

Spoiler

They have the technology to create a starship capable of interstellar travel but they don't have the technology to avoid a hole while landing.

They land on a planet and bring no food with them. There is one food plant local that they can grow and eat and it somehow magically provides every nutrient a human needs. They also didn't bother bringing any machines capable of manufacturing/synthesizing medicine.

The same plant has radioactive seeds but a war android has no way of detecting radiation. A war android that not only can't detect radiation but has no ability to diagnose human illnesses even though it was given additional programming specifically for the task of continuing the human species from embryos.

The same plant will only grow above the bones of the giant creatures, and both things were conveniently at their first and only landing site. How convenient, except for that radiation thing.

The same war android doesn't have night vision, doesn't have tracking ability, even though it was used vs. humans in war.

Back on the home planet they have full internal body scan technology but they can't tell the difference between somebody they scanned before and somebody who had plastic surgery to change their appearance.

A war android with enough power to hover indefinitely, using wide-range presumably sonic weaponry but runs out of energy regularly when unhappy with a situation.

Androids that need helmets during spaceflight, helmets that cover their heads, but don't protect their eyes or mouth, androids whose processors are in their torso anyhow, not in their head. The same androids that don't need helmets or armor or any sort of external protection on a new planet.

Two different ships that manage roughly 98% of light speed, not only that they manage exactly the same fraction of light speed.

A war android that can fly/hover indefinitely but can't fly down one of the holes on the planet.

Humans leaving a planet at constant war, where they were fighting androids called necromancers, yet somehow have no weapons effective against such androids, yet somehow don't know that they're simply wasting ammo/charge using their puny handguns against one.

There's a planet in the sweet spot, having water and an atmosphere. But wait, not only does it have water and an atmosphere, it's an atmosphere that humans can comfortably breathe, and a temperature range they can handle, oh and magically earth-normal gravity.

That's just the short list. I could probably go on indefinitely. This might as well be fantasy instead of sci-fi because none of the science makes any sense.

Spoiler

The necromancers are the army of the religious dudes. They holocaust Earth and leave for the only habitable planet. The capsule with the androids is little more than a contemporary Mars lander. It contains the single most badass guardian the atheists could get their hands on, a worker and nutrients for fetuses. The war android is not getting sick or being broken or incompetent, just re-learning things. The ships arrive years apart. The tubers are stored intact but refined into carbs. The helmets are standard human uniform. As for the aesthetics and using bones to farm, that's nitpicking for the sake of it. Don't try to outsmart what you're watching, it will ruin any story.

 

[Woo-Fu]

Crusader dudes with machineguns while Metropolis robots fly around screaming them to death is the most Ridley Scott thing ever. I don't think anyone held him back this time. Pure kino.

Spoiler

The necromancers are the army of the religious dudes. They holocaust Earth and leave for the only habitable planet. The capsule with the androids is little more than a contemporary Mars lander. It contains the single most badass guardian the atheists could get their hands on, a worker and nutrients for fetuses. The war android is not getting sick or being broken or incompetent, just re-learning things. The ships arrive years apart. The tubers are stored intact but refined into carbs. The helmets are standard human uniform. As for the aesthetics and using bones to farm, that's nitpicking for the sake of it. Don't try to outsmart what you're watching, it will ruin any story.

I'm not trying to outsmart it, I'm trying to not be dumber after watching it. You like it and think it all makes sense. I don't and I don't. Acknowledge and move on.

 

[docmindbender]

Enjoyed EP1 enough to try some more. Textbook Ridley Scott aesthetic. So is this thing gonna come out as being related to the Alien Universe? Certainly feels like it.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I have no clue what's going on here.

Hard for me to get into these washed out dystopian movies. If I wanted to see stuff I could just tune into a live streetcam from Portland or something.

 

[Heart_Attack]

This is fucking amazing.

 

[Revolutionary]

This show makes me wish that the writer (Aaron Guzikowski) could go back in time and replace Lindelof for Prometheus, because his vision of a futuristic Earth, alien planets, and religion is SO much more intriguing than what we got in Promethus + Covenant.

So yeah, in other words: I'm loving what I'm seeing so far.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I think its rather brillant so far. Certainly much more compelling than westworld after the first season. The atheist vs religion slant is interesting. Not nearly as anti religious as I thought it would be.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

There are alot of plot holes but i'm really feeling it. I like where it's going and i'm generally enjoying it.

I had to go back to Ep 2 for some things to click, for example, you'd assume mother was an android on the athiest side but they were actually on the mithraic side. Kinda strange cause normally the religious group dont have the upper hand in technology. Not in this case though.

 

[devilNprada]

I gave this a shot but yeah this chick is as annoying as she looks

 

[jason10mm]

So is the trailer just covering the 1st episode? Because it seems like it spoils most of the season.

 

[RoboFu]

Travis Fimmel is also awesome in everything he does.

yeah it’s sad Warcraft drugged him down with it.

 

[Jon Neu]

The series is created by the writer of Prisoners, which I’m a fan of. I’ll be giving it a shot.

One of my favourite "modern" movies.

I have to watch this.

 

[Mossybrew]

Well after watching the third episode I'm looking forward to more, but I'm thinking this couple who are pretending to be part of the religious group are gonna be the weak point of this show, they are just completely uninteresting.

 

[EviLore]

Well after watching the third episode I'm looking forward to more, but I'm thinking this couple who are pretending to be part of the religious group are gonna be the weak point of this show, they are just completely uninteresting.

The problem I have on that front is that we don't have any real characters legitimately from the Mithraic perspective, as if it's understood that a religious character would have nothing of interest to offer the audience. This is a major shortcoming of the worldbuilding.

 

[devilNprada]

The problem I have on that front is that we don't have any real characters legitimately from the Mithraic perspective, as if it's understood that a religious character would have nothing of interest to offer the audience. This is a major shortcoming of the worldbuilding.

I'm OK with no emphasis on any religious zealot character.. They tend to kill shows and books for me.

 

[Cleared_Hot]

Okay, so spoiler alert


Ep 3 plot hole? The pregnant girl saw the creatures right?!!! I mean she did, 100%... But then didn't mention it at all to everyone else completely preventing them from thinking it was made up.


Also yeah the nipple thing is a bit odd. Maybe it's the suit she wears to ppear more human? Lol dumb explanation . Bottom line is, this show is extremely entertainment and I desperately needed good sci fi.


By the way, HBO Max is definitely my number one favorite streaming service. It has the best content by far. I just binged the wire with my wife because she never saw it and immediately she was hooked. Earlier this year Watchmen absolutely blew away my low expectations. The always have decent movies and the new shows exclusive to the service are surprisingly good. Also the documentary about the East Area Rapist is fantastic

 

[O-N-E]

Not super into Aliens, but I thought Prometheus was enjoyable. Didn't really get the extreme hate.

Will watch this.

 

[TriSuit666]

Stylistically, I’m loving it, was always into the Prometheus (not Covenant) vibe of Alien.

Plot-wise, a la Tenet, it expects you to just ‘go with it’ else you’d be stopping every 5 seconds to nitpick.

 

[acm2000]

Watched first 2 EPs so far, enjoying it, I mean it makes no sense what with the stone age living yet no explanation how the tech tree/material development advanced so far compared to the rest of their lives but who cares.

Suitably crazy, darker than I was expecting and a good dose of gore thrown in too.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Kinda strange cause normally the religious group dont have the upper hand in technology. Not in this case though.

I'm struggling to figure out where this trope originates. In real life it's always been the other way around, so the show gets it right.

 

[rogr rogr]

I'm loving it. The only thing that bottered me was the plastic surgery plan...I mean...really?

Also, can't wait for the Covenant leader to show up:

Spoiler

 

[Renoir]

So... I got HBO on my fire stick. But I can't find the show. Watch 1st Episode on YouTube. Since it was on the HBO max channell I guess I got to buy HBO x2 to watch this?

It was funny how the Android that the crusaders brought got smashed in, after he was talking all that shit..

 

[dorkimoe]

Between this show and love craft. I’ve watched more hbo max this weekend than Netflix.

 

[Insane Metal]

Watched the 3 episodes and I gotta say I love this so far, these episodes are already much much better than Prometheus and Alien Covenant combined.

On the pilot alone shit hits the fan. Damn. Tesseract needs to see this.

 

[Tesseract]

Watched the 3 episodes and I gotta say I love this so far, these episodes are already much much better than Prometheus and Alien Covenant combined.

On the pilot alone shit hits the fan. Damn. Tesseract needs to see this.

it's awesome, high energy and somewhat disturbing

only a couple in, looking forward to the rest

 

[SirKicksalot]

Father is Bayek from Assassin's Creed Origins He's pretty much the same character here.

 

[Insane Metal]

it's awesome, high energy and somewhat disturbing

only a couple in, looking forward to the rest

Yes!! Mother's war mode is really creepy. I Love it

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

Watched the first episode. Really liked it. Annie Lennox Terminator is frightening.

I am confused by some things. How can they have space travel technology, giant ships, etc and still be using basic ballistic weapons against an android? They fought a war and that's what they used? I don't get it.

I also have one worry:

Spoiler

I got potential time loop vibes due to details. The scar on Fimmel's face and the dinosaur bones. The fact that most everyone is wiped out by the end of the first episode means you need time to repopulate in some way. The prophecy talk is the line that makes me think it isn't time travel, but I do have a slight worry that it is.

 

[Insane Metal]

Watched the first episode. Really liked it. Annie Lennox Terminator is frightening.

I am confused by some things. How can they have space travel technology, giant ships, etc and still be using basic ballistic weapons against an android? They fought a war and that's what they used? I don't get it.

I also have one worry:

Spoiler

I got potential time loop vibes due to details. The scar on Fimmel's face and the dinosaur bones. The fact that most everyone is wiped out by the end of the first episode means you need time to repopulate in some way. The prophecy talk is the line that makes me think it isn't time travel, but I do have a slight worry that it is.

The bones are not dinosaurs'... it's from the serpents/whatever animal that dug those huge holes. Guess we'll see them in later episodes.

 

[TrainedRage]

Father is Bayek from Assassin's Creed Origins He's pretty much the same character here.

I knew his voice was familiar. Father>Mother.

 

[TrainedRage]

The bones are not dinosaurs'... it's from the serpents/whatever animal that dug those huge holes. Guess we'll see them in later episodes.

I was also confused as to why Mother was going crazy digging those bones up. Why did she do that? To show the plants were growing from its remains? To further show the dangers of eating the food or how it was irradiated?

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

The bones are not dinosaurs'... it's from the serpents/whatever animal that dug those huge holes. Guess we'll see them in later episodes.

I get that. Sorry, was just using dinosaur bones as shorthand. The planet itself is a character and will come into play eventually.

 

[Woo-Fu]

I am confused by some things. How can they have space travel technology, giant ships, etc and still be using basic ballistic weapons against an android? They fought a war and that's what they used? I don't get it.

Even better, think about how freely they used them inside a pressurized spacecraft.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Watched the first episode. Really liked it. Annie Lennox Terminator is frightening.

I am confused by some things. How can they have space travel technology, giant ships, etc and still be using basic ballistic weapons against an android? They fought a war and that's what they used? I don't get it.

They did not expect to fight against their own reprogrammed WMD on a planet the atheists can't reach alive. They blew up Earth and left expecting to start a peaceful colony.

I doubt they even had anything capable of defeatin a Necromancer on Earth, though Ragnar shoots the belly hoping to reach the CPU.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The problem I have on that front is that we don't have any real characters legitimately from the Mithraic perspective, as if it's understood that a religious character would have nothing of interest to offer the audience. This is a major shortcoming of the worldbuilding.

I'm hoping this will come. I'm curious if one of the atheist characters will switch sides to speak. We've already seen Campion(sp?) seem to veer that way.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I was curious how the respectable folx at Re felt about this show and it's exactly as you expected.

 

[GymWolf]

Travis Fimmel is also awesome in everything he does.

Amen to that.
This guy deserve a big paycheck and a stable role from marvel in one of their films, he has more natural charisma than half of their actors...

 

[DarkestHour]

I was curious how the respectable folx at Re felt about this show and it's exactly as you expected.

Yeah, I saw that too. What an idiot

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Watched first two episodes last night...somewhat underwhelmed.

The premise still has my attention but there are no interesting characters outside of Mother. Hopefully that improves as the season continues.

 

[highrider]

Scott combines music and visuals in a way I find kind of uplifting/inspiring to watch. I’ll always give anything he does a chance despite his narrative shortcomings.