Plague Doctor
Member
This is my question and I am confused.
Basically the Xbox One X is already the next gen but the Series S isn't?
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DF : Xbox Series S likely won’t be able to run Xbox One X enhanced content
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This is my question and I am confused.
Basically the Xbox One X is already the next gen but the Series S isn't?
Endless Fluff
Banned
It's not about hindering Series X, it's about hindering enhanced Xbox One Games. I've mentioned the 4K texture pack you can download for Shadow of War if you play it on Xbox One X. It seems like Series S won't be able to run this enhanced version because it lacks RAM, this is also the reason why PS4 Pro doesn't have the 4K textures.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
yeah, master cerny DID say that, and showed his fancy analogy graphs too.I think that I heard Cerny say so during the "Road to PS5" presentation.
What do you think about this?
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but, you know.... well... these facts are playstation 5 exclusive
so don't you dare go using them now. bad boy!
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
You could also so say that if you bought a Pro and Ps5 but 4 years and no bc at all and not all even Ps4 games will work on PS5.
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YeulEmeralda
Member
THE RAM IS TOO DAMN LOW
Lovelygamer
Banned
Many developers believe Series S will have a problem with a lack of RAM
nintendosmash.com
Good Choice for Buyers or Potential Optimization Issues: What Developers Think of Xbox Series S
On September 8, Microsoft introduced the Xbox Series S, the youngest model in the company’s new line of consoles. It is designed for games in 1440p resolution up to 120 fps. The console will cost $299. To understand the opinions of developers about the Xbox Series S, you need to know a few key...
nintendosmash.com
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
The Pro and X equivalent gpu's aren't 4k gpu's but Sony and Xbox marketed them as 4k consoles.the 20 tflops 3070 isnt supposed to be a 1080p or 1440p gpu. it is replacing the 2080 ti which was a $1,200 4k 100 fps gpu.
the 1080p stuff on PC is basically your 5500xt which is a 5.2 tflops GPU. AMD markets it as a 1080p GPU. The XSS at 4 tflops is 30% lower than what AMD recommends for 1080p gaming for current gen.
MiguelItUp
Member
Such a particular situation. One that I don't think will cause many headaches nonetheless. It is what it is.
At this point all of these threads just sound like they're carried by folks that hate Microsoft/Xbox and just want it to fail, lmao.
At this point all of these threads just sound like they're carried by folks that hate Microsoft/Xbox and just want it to fail, lmao.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I like the edition of multiple versions of consoles.
Jon Neu
Banned
If Series S can't run that pack but the Series X can, then who cares?
By the way, can the Xbox One X run Gears 5 at 120fps?
They are talking about the improved versions of games that One X can handle but the One cannot. The series S will obviously run the basic One games. That is not an issue.
Unless you were hyped for the best versions of current gen gamepass games on next gen systems, there is no issue.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I get what you and others are saying in that: (the arrows mean upgrading to)
Xbone >>> XSS
XboneX >>> XSX
The other thing is how 'normies' and casual gamers are no longer 'wii' gamers, in that, they DO care about graphics nowadays, they just don't CARE how it happens.
All the 'casual' people, young and old, that i hear talking about gaming always, at some point in the conversation of games, talk about graphics and how good it looks. You hear them chucking terms about like 4K and HD and i do wonder if Microsoft and most of the gaming enthusiast sites, have downplayed the interest of the nu-casual.
Microsoft is banking on people caring more about money than they do about visual impressions and keeping up with the Jones'. Unfortunately, that world existed 10 years ago, but the reality of today, with rampant market-ism the way it is, is that the casual people want the most expensive, most visually impressive product.
If we take the Apple watch for example. I know loads of people with them, but none of them can or have ever been able to tell me why they need one, other than "it saves me looking at my phone". The reality is, they have one because it's flash new technology, at a premium price, that people can show off with.
Console warring aside, i think the XSX will be that premium product in America, especially with the Trump mantras of "Buy American". Where-as the premium product in Asia and Europe will be the PS5.
Where does that put the XSS? Only time will tell.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Where did I say anything to the contrary? I was simply pointing out why it's reasonable that the S probably won't run X enhanced versions of One games, even though overall it's more powerful.
VincentMatts
Member
It doesnt support native 4k, never has. Theyve said this since day1.
How did you actually still believe that 4k xbox one X content would work on this exactly?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
remember Cerny specifically telling everyone NOT to expect native 4k because that would require 7.2 tflops at the PS4 Pro reveal. he was very honest about the lack of PS4 Pro power and went into extreme detail on checkerboarding.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Yes i remember that but im on about the marketing.
PhaseJump
Banned
All of the apocalyptic salt mining over the low ram, predicated on the idea that enhancements aren't happening at all.
It's a frenzy over nothing, and short sighted.
The first thing I would think, is that the Back Compat team now needs to dial it in and have new enhancement targets for the Series S SKU. They won't hit 4K, because it's not a 4K machine in the first place. They could bring new and different enhancements. It will be work for them that the developers likely won't need to be involved with, just like last time.
Right? So who are the ones complaining here?
It's a frenzy over nothing, and short sighted.
The first thing I would think, is that the Back Compat team now needs to dial it in and have new enhancement targets for the Series S SKU. They won't hit 4K, because it's not a 4K machine in the first place. They could bring new and different enhancements. It will be work for them that the developers likely won't need to be involved with, just like last time.
Right? So who are the ones complaining here?
Rusty Shackelford
Member
And yet there are native 4K games on both systems. Some without dynamic resolution.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
while its okay for console fanatics to not understand what they are seeing, I start questioning the comprehension of some developers too.
I mean, I had seen a few months back the microsoft issued GDK notes to developers on how they cannot save an entire GPU capture when using all dev kit available memory when under lockhart profile
, but some of these comments on twitter are even worse
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Why wouldn't it be able to run all of those enhanced games at 1440p?
Redlancet
Banned
Nothing? This isnt the first cheap xbox console on the market
JustP_Gaming
Banned
Yet they are still around to continue on. As I said nothing will stop this thing.
VincentMatts
Member
And yet there are native 4K games on both systems. Some without dynamic resolution.
Yeah, the problem here really seems to be compatibility. Since less RAM is available, it would require a significant amount of work to essentially "re-work" the games for them to be supported with less RAM. I dont think that thats worth the effort to be honest.
Although, it does make me wonder why they didnt just put the same amount of 12 GB of RAM in the XSS. Im sure that bumps costs, but it also avoids this problem.
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Redefine07
Member
That's why I did get the One X in the first place since the OG One and S are so weak 900/720p with low framerates can't even get X360 games at locked 30fps , fail of a console hardware wise.And now they do the same thing with Series S .....WHYYY ???!!!!!! I get it low price but digital only won't sell that much just like One S digital only did not.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Xbox fans.
If we're accepting that 1080p/1440p will be around for this generation (Good i say! 1440p with all the bells and whistles >>>4k) then why are we even pushing 4k in the first place?
Fuck 4k off and add more shit. Imagine how good games would look on the XSX if they existed and ran at 1080p with all that horsepower?
01011001
Banned
because now the low end it 1080p, and that's enough for many.
that's why they do it
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
ExactlyAnd yet there are native 4K games on both systems. Some without dynamic resolution.
gamerguywashere
Neophyte
so 4TF@1440p
how does that pixel math compare to 720p or sub720p at, lets say 1TF
if my TV only does 720p, why should I upgrade to seriesS from the Switch?
how does that pixel math compare to 720p or sub720p at, lets say 1TF
if my TV only does 720p, why should I upgrade to seriesS from the Switch?
and someone thouht they will ? maybe it can do some like lowered down enhancements but thats up to devs now so all depends what they will do and how much they will scale that.
but devs will have just more job to adaped games for both consoles instead ps5 will be same so no extra work there .
but devs will have just more job to adaped games for both consoles instead ps5 will be same so no extra work there .
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
dude, I've seen your posts on xbox threads
don't kid yourself! the only thing that you are going to upgrade your switch with, is a switch pro.
McCarth
Member
I mean, the whole thing to me is pretty simple. I'm only interested in a generational leap so the PS5 and Series X are all that interest me. If a dev has to hinder their title to make it run on the S (and I'm saying IF, no idea if they'll have to) I just won't buy it.
It's very similar to if someone released a new PS3 game today. Cool, but no thanks from me personally.
It's very similar to if someone released a new PS3 game today. Cool, but no thanks from me personally.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
You need a new TV brah. 720p is so two decades ago.
sendit
Member
I don't think RAM will be the issue here. People are comparing current gen game design with next gen game design. If we are going by what Cerny presented from "Road to PS5" video, assets will not have to be stored in RAM for the next ~30 seconds or so of player action. Given that the the XSS has the same SSD speed and the same I/O advances as the XSX, RAM usage will not be the bottleneck going forward.
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Zok310
Banned
PS4 games will work on PS5 dude.....
And correction to my math, its really $1000 in 3 years!
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Bogroll
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Yes I know but not sure if they all will.
PhaseJump
Banned
Insatiable Xbox fans have the Series X to carry their 4K wish fulfillment order.
The Xbox team are the only ones on the hook to enhance anything back compat, or have any reason to complain about meeting the 1440p target of the Series S SKU. They're the ones doing redundant work again, even if it's a trivial process.
It's all bullshit here though. Worrying about nothing. Sensationalism.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
not enhanced though, unless each title is specifically fetched and updated.
gamerguywashere
Neophyte
k brah
Im just trying to figure out the new xbox like everyone else
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I'm actually worrying about MS next gen. They got me believing in them again, after the disaster of Kinect and the XBone. The triply-whammy of X, Elite pad and gamepass got me believing. Then the XSX was revealed as really powerful and i came all over my Phil Spencer duvet set.
Now though? i'm not sure. I'll remain an optimist, though i see the 'fans' hand-waiving away any issues with software, split hardware etc. the same 'fan's who said Kinect was ace and that the games were coming. The same 'fans' who said an all in one entertainment system was ace, that the deal with the NFL was a game-changer, that Tv Tv Tv was the future, that weak hardware didn't matter...
So yeah, i can buy an XSX, which i will and i have no doubt it will be an amazing piece of kit. Do you know why i loved the 360 and OG xbox though? Because it was amazing tech, with even more amazing, truly genre-defining, industry-breaking games.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Leave your imagination aside for two minutes, and use your eyes instead.
Notice how gameplay of dirt 5, assassin's creed valhalla, watch dogs legion, outriders, yakuza call of dragon, call of sea and medium is all shown running on S
Then, goto my list of day1 next gen Xbox games that will be available immediately. I have listed the confirmed running spec of each on X.
Xbox series S | X enhanced launch games
Now that prices, pre-order and release dates have been declared, time to see how the games are shaping up for November. November 10 Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla ( 4K Ultra HD | 60 FPS | HDR | Smart Delivery ) Bright Memory ( 4K Ultra HD | 60 FPS | HDR | Ray Tracing ) Destiny 2: Beyond Light ( 4K...
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