RedVIper
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If the PC market is so strong, why are all the top PC games console exclusives?
They aren't though.
If the PC market is so strong, why are all the top PC games console exclusives?
I mean yeah it is me getting older. There still are some good, if not excellent games. Operencia is one of my favourite games of all time, it just ticked all of the boxes. Bloodborne was cool, i enjoyed The Order. Wasteland 3 is beautiful in every way shape and form. PoE was a return to the golden years and Div 1+2 are the best RPG's i've played in a generation. MtG on PC has taken 1,000s of hours of my time over 7 years.You sure the lack of exclusives is doing that? Because all of that are also symptoms of simply getting older.
I find understsanding your position quite difficult.Understsand my position: I dont PS exclusives to Go to any other platform at the same time I'd love to see MS investing on XSX only games
Wow sales at pennies on the dollar. The new moving the goal posts I guess. Sales at full price is what needs to be made to make it worth while but PC gamers don't like that at all. How are the full priced sales of horizon going again huge money maker? I'm sure those 1-2 million sales at sub 20 dollars are huge money drivers lol.
It does hurt Sony gamers when these go to PC because less people buy the ps5 and less full priced sales of games and less revenue for Sony to make good games. You could make an argument if PC gamers actually purchased games at full price at the same numbers playstation gamers do.
Scoreboard says it all.
Owners: 200,000 .. 500,000
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That was a typo. Genuine fuck up on my part.It definitely makes me think... I’m trying to work out how a game can be both a top PC game AND a console exclusive...
Exclusives make no sense any more in a world of largely shared architecture, and with the upcoming prevalence of streaming services, and it seems the moment behind that idea is really picking up speed.
Resist it if you want, but it will run over you like a steamroller. Even for Sony now it’s just used as a soothing cold compress on the fan’s forehead to lower their temperature, while they (not so secretly) work on the PC ports in the background.
If the average selling price goes from 40 dollars plus Sony keeping the cut to sub 20 dollars with gabe keeping 30%. You don't think the lost revenue will mean less budget for Sony games? Some every thread here is skipping series x got a PC so it a significant number of people.How does it hurt Sony if now people are buying it's games? Would ALL players move to PC? And even if some jumped ship, why do YOU care?
So would Sony make more money selling to just ps4/5 fans, or to ps4/5 & PC players? Please be honest if you decide to reply back.If the average selling price goes from 40 dollars plus Sony keeping the cut to sub 20 dollars with gabe keeping 30%. You don't think the lost revenue will mean less budget for Sony games? Some every thread here is skipping series x got a PC so it a significant number of people.
Curious OP, how would this opinion change if games like Mass Effect, Morrowind, or Doom had never left the PC space their devs traditionally worked on? In the past 20 years FAR more PC only devs have added consoles than the reverse
Please stop watching Faux Newscorrupted media and radical left
Maybe theres a langue barrie here. But I think I made my point clear, honestly.I find understsanding your position quite difficult.
Please stop watching Faux News
Please stop using horizon as an example. The port was worse than batman arkham knight and more automata put together.
Guerrilla is fixing it and once they do it will sell like crazy. Death Stranding was a superb pc port and is selling great at full price, same as the MCC, flight simulator and Sea of Thieves.
I'd rather buy games at sale than cheap ass console gamers clinging to physical media... Why? Because they love to buy used games and that gives no money to the devs. The end result is the same as pirating but spending money.
So would Sony make more money selling to just ps4/5 fans, or to ps4/5 & PC players? Please be honest if you decide to reply back.
Yeah, that's basically what it boils down to.If that’s you main takeaway from what he said though, there’s not really much to say.
Trust me, not nearly as embarrassing as people displaying neanderthals cognitive skills on purpose (hopefully) to justify a brand long term suicide only to get their hands on games they constantly try to downplay and depict as worthless “movies”, such as yourself.Yeah, that's basically what it boils down to.
The attempt to cover for it disingenuously arguing that "wishing for more multiplatform games is hurting the industry and its creativity" or whatever other bullshit you fucking brand groupies love to come up with every single time this topic is being discussed is frankly embarrassing.
You are just putting random words next to each other and pretending you are making sense, at this point.Trust me, not nearly as embarrassing as people displaying neanderthals cognitive skills on purpose (hopefully) to justify a brand long term suicide only to get their hands on games they constantly try to downplay and depict as worthless “movies”, such as yourself.
So... Are you gonna answer my question? And I wouldn't pay full price for old games, especially if not properly ported, and many agree with that. Day and date for full price and properly ported, if not, then reduced price and properly ported. That's why horizon has such bad reviews. Compare it with any other half assed port, and you'll see why.Full priced flight simulator. Yes Sony could bundle 5 games for dirt cheap and get sales great! So Sony should bring the last of us 2 multi player to PC I guess. Yes the 2 single player games with big budgets combined for less than 1.5 million copies.
Yes less than a million is not selling great in 2 months.
200,000 .. 500,000
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500,000 .. 1,000,000
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The faqs show PC gamers don't want to pay a premium for single player games from Sony. So they make more PS5 only they might not even make the port and support money back from horizon at this point.
I had some doubt after you misspelled Asperger, but if you’re really having trouble in making sense out of perfectly assembled sentences even a kindergartner would understand, you’re only proving the “hopefully” part of my previous message can be disregarded.You are just putting random words next to each other and pretending you are making sense, at this point.
I think the idea of console exclusives being available to play on PC a year after they originally release would be fine. By that point all of the people intent on playing said games on the PS4 or PS5 will have done so already and if they haven't then the price will have surely gone down.
I don't see how that would ruin the console brand though because console players don't play on PC as they feel PC gaming is too expensive or they prefer to play games sitting on the couch looking at their big TV screen. Aren't Sony and Microsoft still making money regardless of where they re-release their games?
You are clearly misunderstanding here. Which admittedly is anything but surprising.I had some doubt after you misspelled Asperger, but if you’re really having trouble in making sense out of perfectly assembled sentences even a kindergartner would understand, you’re only proving the “hopefully” part of my previous message can be disregarded.
Nonsense.If people know the console exclusive is coming to PC a year later, they will simply just wait for the better version instead of investing the money into a console.
No, because as I said, some people just prefer to play on consoles. We're talking about console players. Convenience trumps power.If people know the console exclusive is coming to PC a year later, they will simply just wait for the better version instead of investing the money into a console.
No, because as I said, some people just prefer to play on consoles. We're talking about console players. Convenience trumps power.
Nonsense.
A lot of people simply don't want to have anything to do with a PC regardless of what games will be available on it. A large part of the user base on this very forum is already proof of it. It becomes even more true when you bring this on a larger scale, with a more casual audience.
Besides, even assuming that was the case, it's still not clear why that should be any of our business (or concern) to begin with. As long as the company releasing software is making enough money by selling it, that should just make everyone involved happy.
I think the fact that exclusives are dissipating is disappointing especially going into a new generation. Exclusives do give consoles their identity, pushes creativity, displays hardware’s true capabilities and provides reasons to purchase a particular platform. Why do you think Nintendo despite their high prices and lack of power are still relevant to this day?
I understand that companies can make more money and reach more consumers, but at the same time I feel it’s a double-edge sword. Why buy Mitsubishi’s new console when it has barely anything new or unique to offer? That’s when exclusives can differentiate it from the competition, This is one of the factors that is detrimental to the Stadia. This is one of the major issues I see with the Series S and X. I got an XBOX One X already. What truly compelling reasons do I have to spend more money on a slightly enhanced experience with mostly the same games?
We might as well have one major platform if we get even less exclusives going forward. Competition would be pointless if all the platforms are literally identical. In my eyes, porting games to PC means it’s not exclusive to your console anymore. Yeah, you have a console exclusive, but the game can still be played on another platform.
It has became a Very controversial topic thanks to port begging non stop cry, but the truth needs to be said.
All the "pro consumer" talk about realising all games for all platforms somehow sounds a Lot like the whole "diversity" talk by big corrupted media and radical left. Obviously I dont any intention to make It about polítics ir idelogy, but notice the similar patterns and narrative and be aware already of How distructive is the outcoms.
On paper, on that superficial propaganda, both sound so... Peaceful, loving, caring, so humanitarian, everyone sharing the same games, everyone happy, so cute and adorable!
At the same time, anyone who opposes to It, look How the narrative drives into make these people who oppose It completely demonized and emarrassed because they are so afraid of losing their prescious jewls that they are so proud of and How they are evil and egoistic.
What these people dont realize is that, similarly to the diversity talk, the whole agenda behind It is pretty much destructive for the industry itself. Understsand the anti-exclusive agenda as the diversity talk and the industry as the society Going downhill with this.
People who feed this agenda dont realize that It hás nothing to do with being egoistic or fanboy, its about defending Value and IDENTITY, and this has a striking negative effect for the industry. This is exactly like the diversity effect on society: we lose our identity and value for a false premise of virtue. You are not making the world a more peaceful place with this, forget about It!
Try to make your mind get back to the Golden era of Nintendo vs Sega rivalry. It was absolutely beautiful How both of them made so much effort into bringing the best content they could provide, and thanks to that rivalry, so many classic games from both were born, and the most important aspect of this is, without a doubt, their identity, wich made them both unique in their own way and so much desirable. One is the Mario videogame system and the other was the Sonic one, both top tier games that despite the each ones personal preferences, everyone loved. This was the generation that having both consoles made so much sense, we were Just kids with limites budget so having more than one platform were not the usual Idea back then.
We should not support this pretentious false virtue "love for everyone" narrative. Its simply destructive. We need more and more platform to build their identity and conserve its value and that IS healthy for the industry, that represents the best motivation a Dev team can get to release top tier classic game that makes their main character one and the same with the platform.
When was the last game that pushed PC specs so far that it had it's own meme? Can it run crysis? What about Half-life and Half-life 2? Nahh fuck it, let's make the next half-life a cookie cutter piece of crap to run on everything from a toaster to a super-computer. It won't impact the design at all.
OT: One reason i'm looking forward to PSVR2 is for the unique experiences.
Tbh, MGS should have never disbanded. They always made great games on console and PC separately.This year with "Can it run FS2020?" PC exclusive coming to Xbox.
Sony can do whatever the hell they want with their games, but Xbox games seem to do really well on PC and that's a great thing for both Xbox and PC gamers because that means more money for Xbox to buy studios and make more games for both of us.
Nonsense.
A lot of people simply don't want to have anything to do with a PC regardless of what games will be available on it. A large part of the user base on this very forum is already proof of it. It becomes even more true when you bring this on a larger scale, with a more casual audience.
Besides, even assuming that was the case, it's still not clear why that should be any of our business (or concern) to begin with. As long as the company releasing software is making enough money by selling it, that should just make everyone involved happy.
Maybe there's a langue barrie here.
I'm not sure if you know this but SteamSpy numbers are not accurate anymore. I'm sure both games did fine. The flight simulator has a peak of near 62K players with 12K today.Full priced flight simulator. Yes Sony could bundle 5 games for dirt cheap and get sales great! So Sony should bring the last of us 2 multi player to PC I guess. Yes the 2 single player games with big budgets combined for less than 1.5 million copies.
Yes less than a million is not selling great in 2 months.
200,000 .. 500,000
Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition -
Steam Spy automatically gathers data from Steam user profiles, analyzes it and presents in simple, yet beautiful, manner. Steam Spy is designed to be helpful for indie developers, journalists, students and all parties interested in PC gaming and its current state of affairs.steamspy.com
500,000 .. 1,000,000
DEATH STRANDING -
Steam Spy automatically gathers data from Steam user profiles, analyzes it and presents in simple, yet beautiful, manner. Steam Spy is designed to be helpful for indie developers, journalists, students and all parties interested in PC gaming and its current state of affairs.steamspy.com
The faqs show PC gamers don't want to pay a premium for single player games from Sony. So they make more PS5 only they might not even make the port and support money back from horizon at this point.
the radical left?
holy shit, it's time to step outside, sunshine
don't forget your mask, there's a pandemic
Official port would be nice but I don't think anyone is "begging" for P5 on PC. You can play it in 4k and 60FPS here and now, if you want to:Yeah, I think I was reminded of people port begging Persona 5 after Persona 4 Golden re-released on Steam that I mistakenly thought Persona 5 did come to PC when typing that.
I do enjoy playing my games on my platform of choice, instead of having to buy multiple boxes that do exactly the same thing in order to play different games.
The thing is... Theres this weird mentality Going on PC world that because You spent 3000 dollars or more to build one, You think You suddenly deserve all the games ever released in the world and thats a flawed and a big arrogant way of thinking.
You deserve playing an exclusive when you actually support those who made It possible in the First place. If You really want It enough, You go for it and get the platform of the Company that funded the game and made it possible
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It has became a Very controversial topic thanks to port begging non stop cry, but the truth needs to be said.
All the "pro consumer" talk about realising all games for all platforms somehow sounds a Lot like the whole "diversity" talk by big corrupted media and radical left. Obviously I dont any intention to make It about polítics ir idelogy, but notice the similar patterns and narrative and be aware already of How distructive is the outcoms.
On paper, on that superficial propaganda, both sound so... Peaceful, loving, caring, so humanitarian, everyone sharing the same games, everyone happy, so cute and adorable!
At the same time, anyone who opposes to It, look How the narrative drives into make these people who oppose It completely demonized and emarrassed because they are so afraid of losing their prescious jewls that they are so proud of and How they are evil and egoistic.
What these people dont realize is that, similarly to the diversity talk, the whole agenda behind It is pretty much destructive for the industry itself. Understsand the anti-exclusive agenda as the diversity talk and the industry as the society Going downhill with this.
People who feed this agenda dont realize that It hás nothing to do with being egoistic or fanboy, its about defending Value and IDENTITY, and this has a striking negative effect for the industry. This is exactly like the diversity effect on society: we lose our identity and value for a false premise of virtue. You are not making the world a more peaceful place with this, forget about It!
Try to make your mind get back to the Golden era of Nintendo vs Sega rivalry. It was absolutely beautiful How both of them made so much effort into bringing the best content they could provide, and thanks to that rivalry, so many classic games from both were born, and the most important aspect of this is, without a doubt, their identity, wich made them both unique in their own way and so much desirable. One is the Mario videogame system and the other was the Sonic one, both top tier games that despite the each ones personal preferences, everyone loved. This was the generation that having both consoles made so much sense, we were Just kids with limites budget so having more than one platform were not the usual Idea back then.
We should not support this pretentious false virtue "love for everyone" narrative. Its simply destructive. We need more and more platform to build their identity and conserve its value and that IS healthy for the industry, that represents the best motivation a Dev team can get to release top tier classic game that makes their main character one and the same with the platform.