RedVIper
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The war on exclusives is a war on industry itself. Here's why.
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They aren't though.
Slings and Arrows
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I mean yeah it is me getting older. There still are some good, if not excellent games. Operencia is one of my favourite games of all time, it just ticked all of the boxes. Bloodborne was cool, i enjoyed The Order. Wasteland 3 is beautiful in every way shape and form. PoE was a return to the golden years and Div 1+2 are the best RPG's i've played in a generation. MtG on PC has taken 1,000s of hours of my time over 7 years.
All of that from 3 platforms over 7 years? If i look back at DC/PC/PS2/Xbox or PS360/PC, it sadly pales in comparison.
The positive note though is VR looks to be made by people who love it, which is already creating some really cool experiences.
Grand Theft Scratchy
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I think the idea of console exclusives being available to play on PC a year after they originally release would be fine. By that point all of the people intent on playing said games on the PS4 or PS5 will have done so already and if they haven't then the price will have surely gone down.
I don't see how that would ruin the console brand though because console players don't play on PC as they feel PC gaming is too expensive or they prefer to play games sitting on the couch looking at their big TV screen. Aren't Sony and Microsoft still making money regardless of where they re-release their games?
I don't see how that would ruin the console brand though because console players don't play on PC as they feel PC gaming is too expensive or they prefer to play games sitting on the couch looking at their big TV screen. Aren't Sony and Microsoft still making money regardless of where they re-release their games?
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nowhat
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I find understsanding your position quite difficult.
trikster40
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I like exclusives, they don’t bother me. I usually have 2 or 3 consoles each gen, so I play what I want anyway. If you go back and start picking games of generations, I’d wager most end up being exclusives.
Wow sales at pennies on the dollar. The new moving the goal posts I guess. Sales at full price is what needs to be made to make it worth while but PC gamers don't like that at all. How are the full priced sales of horizon going again huge money maker? I'm sure those 1-2 million sales at sub 20 dollars are huge money drivers lol.
It does hurt Sony gamers when these go to PC because less people buy the ps5 and less full priced sales of games and less revenue for Sony to make good games. You could make an argument if PC gamers actually purchased games at full price at the same numbers playstation gamers do.
Scoreboard says it all.
Owners: 200,000 .. 500,000
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Please stop using horizon as an example. The port was worse than batman arkham knight and more automata put together.
Guerrilla is fixing it and once they do it will sell like crazy. Death Stranding was a superb pc port and is selling great at full price, same as the MCC, flight simulator and Sea of Thieves.
I'd rather buy games at sale than cheap ass console gamers clinging to physical media... Why? Because they love to buy used games and that gives no money to the devs. The end result is the same as pirating but spending money.
Slings and Arrows
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That was a typo. Genuine fuck up on my part.
Streaming bad. It's worse than DLC, MTX et al all rolled in to one.
Sony can fucking suck it if they do day and date PC releases. I would rather they build the game for the console, then later on down the line add features to the PC port, unique to PC.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
sigh you people are like era, only the other way around.
not everything is political. Jimbo is just a cheap bastard who wants to sell more copies of his games. there is nothing more to it.
not everything is political. Jimbo is just a cheap bastard who wants to sell more copies of his games. there is nothing more to it.
If the average selling price goes from 40 dollars plus Sony keeping the cut to sub 20 dollars with gabe keeping 30%. You don't think the lost revenue will mean less budget for Sony games? Some every thread here is skipping series x got a PC so it a significant number of people.
DonJuanSchlong
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So would Sony make more money selling to just ps4/5 fans, or to ps4/5 & PC players? Please be honest if you decide to reply back.
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
Werent massa effect on Xbox since always?
I played on x360
I would say that games that are traditionally multiplatform shouldnt be blocked from released to other platforms. But Company getting some extra content is Part of the Nature of the market. As long as It doesnt block a traditional multiplatform game from being played on other platforms, its Fine.
I am more talking about non traditional multiplatform Studios. The likes of Marios, Zeldas, God Of Wars, New Ips created by Sony Studios, Nintendo ir MS, they should belong to their platform exclusively, vital to create value, identity and a healthy war for quality. It would be cool to have Studios who focus on pc and extract maximum Power graphics.
Please stop watching Faux News
IbelieveInGenerations
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Maybe theres a langue barrie here. But I think I made my point clear, honestly.
I want every platform to shine with their own exclusive content.
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
I dont, my friend. I dont watch tv whatsoever, I Just observe reality and make my own judgement
Full priced flight simulator. Yes Sony could bundle 5 games for dirt cheap and get sales great! So Sony should bring the last of us 2 multi player to PC I guess. Yes the 2 single player games with big budgets combined for less than 1.5 million copies.
Yes less than a million is not selling great in 2 months.
200,000 .. 500,000
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The faqs show PC gamers don't want to pay a premium for single player games from Sony. So they make more PS5 only they might not even make the port and support money back from horizon at this point.
Sentenza
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Yeah, that's basically what it boils down to.
The attempt to cover for it disingenuously arguing that "wishing for more multiplatform games is hurting the industry and its creativity" or whatever other bullshit you fucking brand groupies love to come up with every single time this topic is being discussed is frankly embarrassing.
Vick
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Trust me, not nearly as embarrassing as people displaying neanderthals cognitive skills on purpose (hopefully) to justify a brand long term suicide only to get their hands on games they constantly try to downplay and depict as worthless “movies”, such as yourself.
Sentenza
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You are just putting random words next to each other and pretending you are making sense, at this point.
DonJuanSchlong
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So... Are you gonna answer my question? And I wouldn't pay full price for old games, especially if not properly ported, and many agree with that. Day and date for full price and properly ported, if not, then reduced price and properly ported. That's why horizon has such bad reviews. Compare it with any other half assed port, and you'll see why.Full priced flight simulator. Yes Sony could bundle 5 games for dirt cheap and get sales great! So Sony should bring the last of us 2 multi player to PC I guess. Yes the 2 single player games with big budgets combined for less than 1.5 million copies.
Yes less than a million is not selling great in 2 months.
200,000 .. 500,000
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The faqs show PC gamers don't want to pay a premium for single player games from Sony. So they make more PS5 only they might not even make the port and support money back from horizon at this point.
Vick
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I had some doubt after you misspelled Asperger, but if you’re really having trouble in making sense out of perfectly assembled sentences even a kindergartner would understand, you’re only proving the “hopefully” part of my previous message can be disregarded.
Basically, this is how you’re manifesting yourself now, to help you understand:
Rhazer Fusion
Member
If people know the console exclusive is coming to PC a year later, they will simply just wait for the better version instead of investing the money into a console.
Sentenza
Member
You are clearly misunderstanding here. Which admittedly is anything but surprising.
Just because a sentence is written in somewhat correct English it doesn't mean it makes sense in context. And in fact you are spouting an insane amount of unbearable bullshit, not to mention making a bunch of fairly idiotic assumptions in the process (like your delusional rant about games not being "worthless movies", a defense literally no one was asking you about).
But maybe instead of going on with your rabid fanboy-ish defense of your dear friend (the Clown who cares about exclusives) with your variations of "You are missing the depth of his words", you can explain what people are getting wrong.
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Sentenza
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Nonsense.
A lot of people simply don't want to have anything to do with a PC regardless of what games will be available on it. A large part of the user base on this very forum is already proof of it. It becomes even more true when you bring this on a larger scale, with a more casual audience.
Besides, even assuming that was the case, it's still not clear why that should be any of our business (or concern) to begin with. As long as the company releasing software is making enough money by selling it, that should just make everyone involved happy.
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A Most Virtuous Cat
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Completely agree with you. Each platform should have excellent, next-gen exclusive to solidify their respective identities. This cross-gen, include everyone bull crap is only for these megacorps to make easy money and be lazy.
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
No, because as I said, some people just prefer to play on consoles. We're talking about console players. Convenience trumps power.
Rhazer Fusion
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I think the fact that exclusives are dissipating is disappointing especially going into a new generation. Exclusives do give consoles their identity, pushes creativity, displays hardware’s true capabilities and provides reasons to purchase a particular platform. Why do you think Nintendo despite their high prices and lack of power are still relevant to this day?
I understand that companies can make more money and reach more consumers, but at the same time I feel it’s a double-edge sword. Why buy Mitsubishi’s new console when it has barely anything new or unique to offer? That’s when exclusives can differentiate it from the competition, This is one of the factors that is detrimental to the Stadia. This is one of the major issues I see with the Series S and X. I got an XBOX One X already. What truly compelling reasons do I have to spend more money on a slightly enhanced experience with mostly the same games?
We might as well have one major platform if we get even less exclusives going forward. Competition would be pointless if all the platforms are literally identical. In my eyes, porting games to PC means it’s not exclusive to your console anymore. Yeah, you have a console exclusive, but the game can still be played on another platform.
I understand that companies can make more money and reach more consumers, but at the same time I feel it’s a double-edge sword. Why buy Mitsubishi’s new console when it has barely anything new or unique to offer? That’s when exclusives can differentiate it from the competition, This is one of the factors that is detrimental to the Stadia. This is one of the major issues I see with the Series S and X. I got an XBOX One X already. What truly compelling reasons do I have to spend more money on a slightly enhanced experience with mostly the same games?
We might as well have one major platform if we get even less exclusives going forward. Competition would be pointless if all the platforms are literally identical. In my eyes, porting games to PC means it’s not exclusive to your console anymore. Yeah, you have a console exclusive, but the game can still be played on another platform.
Rhazer Fusion
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True, but I was mostly talking about the PC players. I think Sony wants to try to entice PC gamers to purchase a PS5 if they port some older PS4 games to PC. I don’t think many will and just choose to wait for the superior version to hit the PC instead.
Rhazer Fusion
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I’m talking mostly about what is persuading a PC only player to purchase a console when he knows the version of a PS5 or PS4 exclusive is eventually coming to his platform of choice. Sony probably thinks porting their games to PC will cause more PC gamers to procure a console, but I don’t think that will be the case.
IbelieveInGenerations
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I agree completely.
Unfortunetly, some take my opinion as being childish, arcaic, egoistic, pure fanboyism wich is Sad.
Content still is the most important aspect of any plataform. It would be awesome if every platform had their own classic franchises that You directly relate to them, giving them identy.
You guys probably know at this stage I AM a PS fanboy, but Its not Just about Going against PS franchises Going to other platform, its about all platforms having their own classic franchises and having a healthy competition that can only contribute to offer quality and creativity
Knitted Knight
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The biggest defense for exclusives and why they should exist is the current state of the run of the mill, generic and stagnant third party multiplats from Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. Stagnation not only in pushing hardware but ultimately, of creativity too. Established consumers of some platforms port beg for console exclusives because these games are different, fresh, and/or of high quality, and often the best representation of the medium compared to the usual diet that comes from third party multiplats. Publishers like Sony and Nintendo dominate GOTY awards despite being dwarfed in sheer numerical output by third party developed games. Microsoft would be there in that group too if their studios weren't soo poorly mismanaged, and if they had a good number of studios well funded and fed with talent. But this is a company that loves to provide platforms, and have others come to them aka invest as little as possible for maximum return. They've been a joke when it comes to content for over 7 years since Bungie left Halo and Epic left Gears. It's not MS's preferred TAM so no one should be surprised I guess, despite wanting better from them.
The push for no exclusives is a concerted, purposeful narrative that's flawed, coming from a very vocal minority who game on platforms that are being left out on some of the best experiences in gaming and refuse to invest where the content is, or begrudgingly do so.
The push for no exclusives is a concerted, purposeful narrative that's flawed, coming from a very vocal minority who game on platforms that are being left out on some of the best experiences in gaming and refuse to invest where the content is, or begrudgingly do so.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
This year with "Can it run FS2020?" PC exclusive coming to Xbox.
Sony can do whatever the hell they want with their games, but Xbox games seem to do really well on PC and that's a great thing for both Xbox and PC gamers because that means more money for Xbox to buy studios and make more games for both of us.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Tbh, MGS should have never disbanded. They always made great games on console and PC separately.
Xbox needs a VR solution sooner rather than later though...
Bonfires Down
Member
Yes, more boxes that do almost the exact some thing is what we need.
anothertech
Member
Sad but true.
Obama caused the console war. Pelosi keeps exclusives in her freezer.
Trump needs to sign an executive order banning all PC's from PlayStation games.
Obama caused the console war. Pelosi keeps exclusives in her freezer.
Trump needs to sign an executive order banning all PC's from PlayStation games.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I have no interest in PC gaming. I did it for several years and went back to consoles because I much prefer it. But another gamer who prefers to game on PC does absolutely no harm to my enjoyment of XGS games if they also get to play them. I also doubt PC gamers are going to cry when Gears Tactics and FS2020 come to the Series X.
EDMIX
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Come on man, I'm disappointed as you could have made a far better thread talking about the importance of exclusives in regards to development team solely working on one piece of Hardware to make the best game they possibly can.
I believe there's a solid and legitimate argument to be had that the deep complexity in game development doesn't really need more layers of complexity in regards to having developers try to make the same game on multiple platforms as I would argue look at the result from games like Assassin's Creed? From what I see from Assassin's Creed Valhalla I personally believe the trouble they might be having might simply be that the team is being burdened on working on multiple systems at once. They were able to make quality titles when they were simply limited by systems with Assassin's Creed Origins and odyssey yet we're seeing this crazy mess with Valhalla but I'm not really surprised that's no different than what we saw with Battlefield 4, it had nothing to do with that the development team could not work on many systems as it had everything to do with that the development team was used to working on a limited number of them, not 5 or 6 at once so because such a thing is going to be rare for any development team I would argue some of the biggest fucking messes that we've seen in gaming with multiplatform games like Battlefield 4 or Call of Duty ghosts or what we're seeing currently with Assassin's Creed Valhalla has to do with them attempting to make a game on multiple generations of systems at once.
So I believe this topic is better served if you look at the best quality games we've seen this generation stuff like Breath of the Wild or Uncharted or the last of us or God of War or even the Yakuza series we could argue are able to maintain this extreme level of quality because they're working on one or two systems and not fucking 5.
I would even argue it's better for them to work on one system initially and simply port it to another system after the fact so at the very least the people who are even getting the game on another system know that the development team 100% spent their focus on creating a game and not being hindered by multi-platform development.
I believe there's a solid and legitimate argument to be had that the deep complexity in game development doesn't really need more layers of complexity in regards to having developers try to make the same game on multiple platforms as I would argue look at the result from games like Assassin's Creed? From what I see from Assassin's Creed Valhalla I personally believe the trouble they might be having might simply be that the team is being burdened on working on multiple systems at once. They were able to make quality titles when they were simply limited by systems with Assassin's Creed Origins and odyssey yet we're seeing this crazy mess with Valhalla but I'm not really surprised that's no different than what we saw with Battlefield 4, it had nothing to do with that the development team could not work on many systems as it had everything to do with that the development team was used to working on a limited number of them, not 5 or 6 at once so because such a thing is going to be rare for any development team I would argue some of the biggest fucking messes that we've seen in gaming with multiplatform games like Battlefield 4 or Call of Duty ghosts or what we're seeing currently with Assassin's Creed Valhalla has to do with them attempting to make a game on multiple generations of systems at once.
So I believe this topic is better served if you look at the best quality games we've seen this generation stuff like Breath of the Wild or Uncharted or the last of us or God of War or even the Yakuza series we could argue are able to maintain this extreme level of quality because they're working on one or two systems and not fucking 5.
I would even argue it's better for them to work on one system initially and simply port it to another system after the fact so at the very least the people who are even getting the game on another system know that the development team 100% spent their focus on creating a game and not being hindered by multi-platform development.
The Scrivener
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What is that, a French word for platform exclusive?
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I'm not sure if you know this but SteamSpy numbers are not accurate anymore. I'm sure both games did fine. The flight simulator has a peak of near 62K players with 12K today.Full priced flight simulator. Yes Sony could bundle 5 games for dirt cheap and get sales great! So Sony should bring the last of us 2 multi player to PC I guess. Yes the 2 single player games with big budgets combined for less than 1.5 million copies.
Yes less than a million is not selling great in 2 months.
200,000 .. 500,000
Microsoft Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition -
Steam Spy automatically gathers data from Steam user profiles, analyzes it and presents in simple, yet beautiful, manner. Steam Spy is designed to be helpful for indie developers, journalists, students and all parties interested in PC gaming and its current state of affairs.
500,000 .. 1,000,000
DEATH STRANDING -
Steam Spy automatically gathers data from Steam user profiles, analyzes it and presents in simple, yet beautiful, manner. Steam Spy is designed to be helpful for indie developers, journalists, students and all parties interested in PC gaming and its current state of affairs.
The faqs show PC gamers don't want to pay a premium for single player games from Sony. So they make more PS5 only they might not even make the port and support money back from horizon at this point.
Shadowstar39
Member
As far as gaming, exclusives on console, sure by first party. I don't like it when 3rd parties do exclusive deals though, ala epic games store bullshit and steam as well as that crap that Square and microsoft did with rise of the tomb raider a few years prior. I am all for strong 1st party and 2nd part, just leave 3rd party out of it. I also like the fact that PC is becoming an option if I don't have said console to play the game. I went 3 gens never owning an xbox because i didn't have to.
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Stiflers Mom
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In the home computer era of the eighties, there wasn't such a thing like exclusivity, and that was nice.
On the other hand, exclusives are like the identity of a console brand these days.
So, I can understand both sides...
On the other hand, exclusives are like the identity of a console brand these days.
So, I can understand both sides...
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Official port would be nice but I don't think anyone is "begging" for P5 on PC. You can play it in 4k and 60FPS here and now, if you want to:
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
The thing is... Theres this weird mentality Going on PC world that because You spent 3000 dollars or more to build one, You think You suddenly deserve all the games ever released in the world and thats a flawed and a big arrogant way of thinking.
You deserve playing an exclusive when you actually support those who made It possible in the First place. If You really want It enough, You go for it and get the platform of the Company that funded the game and made it possible
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What weird mentality? If people were actually saying that, then I would agree. Just because you bought a PC, doesn't mean you deserve all games.
Asking for a port and demanding a port are 2 very different things. I think it's nice if I can play the game on the only platform I could afford, but I understand if it's not viable.
However, that also applies for you. Just because you consider that exclusives are the most important thing for your platform, doesn't mean the games must be exclusive no matter what.
You talk as if being an exclusive or multi-plataform is the only factor (or the major factor) that defines a game quality, and therefore you MUST support not only the game, but the entire platform in which it was originally available. This is a false premise. There are shitty cash grab exclusives, and there are great multi-plataform games.
A lot of times people won't have the money to buy all platforms like you're suggesting. The companies most likely analyse the market in order to make the decision in regards to exclusivity. And that is not an issue, it's good that people can play the game more (because that also supports the game).
I agree that ports and lack of exclusivity shouldn't harm the quality of the game. But you have no evidence that this is cause and consequence as you're implying. I also agree that people shouldn't feel like they deserve the port or whatever. But that seems to be a strawman or a generalization you're making. And that is an issue that people have, not an issue of porting itself.
Bonsaibäumchen
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