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[ToadMan]

I'm curious to see if and how the "game pass" narrative shifts in 1-2 years when Microsoft actually have some triple A exclusives to show.

Xsex AAA exclusives won't be ready in one to two years. Try 5 or 6 I'd say judging by how long it's taken this gen...

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

DF was full excuses to how Halo looked.

They even made another video trying to say it was only just the light and RT will fix everything lol

They didn’t even tried to cover their bias.

The light video was from Alex Baclownia. He is well known for his bias. Don't make all the DF stuff repsonsible for his sh**

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

its possibly the greatest game of all time, so i can understand that.

ITs one of the games i am looking forward to the most if they repatch it or upgrade it to 60 fps.

Yeah until and unless sony releases a patch no way would the game run at 60fps on PS5. Since Bloodborne frame rates are capped at 30fps, we'd certainly need a patch to unlock the fps and then let the PS5 boost clock take it from there and give us them sweet 60fps!

 

[sircaw]

Same. That was the hardest part of the chalice dungeon trophy for me. You barely have any room to move without being completely surrounded by smaller spiders, and having to dodge Rom's crazy attacks and aoe blasts.

ah your thinking about from, sorry i am talking about https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Amygdala

not the normal one, the defiled one.

Rom i had a few problems with but then i took my time and killed all the spiders first and the fight became very easy.

In the beginning i just ran to him and started to attack him, making him start phase two and t by teleporting away and spawning more spiders in the end i could not get near him.
Killing the spiders and rolling away from the aoe thing made it so much better.

 

[Aceofspades]

The light video was from Alex Baclownia. He is well known for his bias. Don't make all the DF stuff repsonsible for his sh**

He was representing DF when he said that. It's on them to act more professional with clear unbiased standards.

 

[Orky]

Xsex AAA exclusives won't be ready in one to two years. Try 5 or 6 I'd say judging by how long it's taken this gen...

you are saying we will see the first Xbox series X exclusive games in 2025? Are you serious or just trolling? Lol

 

[duhmetree]

Seems the fun is over. Mods are clamping down on rampant fanboyism.

This will elevate the level of discussion, but it will also make it a lot more boring. I predict fewer funny posts, takedowns, and just an overall gestapo feel where you are constantly walking on eggshells. Basically era.

Let's hope that we are at least allowed to make fun of Sony, microsoft and Nintendo without fear of getting banned.

I'm PlayStation and PC. I like to think I'm objective. Microsoft has and still is dropping the ball IMO. All I care about is software. Give me something to get lost in.

I do not care about BC. Never have, never will. Gamepass will make sense once they have titles I'm interested in. On a side note.. Say Starfield comes out in November 2022. I can purchase Gamepass in November for $10. Say I play for 2 months then cancel. I played and enjoyed Starfield for 2 months for $20. I just dont see how thats feasible. Dont get me wrong, it took me months to cancel my Netflix when I wasn't using it, so I can see that angle.. but I dont see how these Titles/Studios are supported by GamePass. Microsoft will have to subsidize them

I'm very selective when it comes to games and what I play. Hopefully Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI are home runs... other than that, I do not see myself playing a Microsoft game.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Haven't played any of the souls games except for Bloodborne. Bloodborne was mighty difficult for me. Couldn't get past this one gigantic spider boss battle

 

[travisktl]

ah your thinking about from, sorry i am talking about https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Amygdala

not the normal one, the defiled one.

Rom i had a few problems with but then i took my time and killed all the spiders first and the fight became very easy.

In the beginning i just ran to him and started to attack him, making him start phase two and t by teleporting away and spawning more spiders in the end i could not get near him.
Killing the spiders and rolling away from the aoe thing made it so much better.

Oh, sorry! Yeah. I saw someone mention spiders in another post, and just assumed that convo was continuing. Amygdala was tough, until I realized I could pretty much just stand under her to have her jump in the air, then you can attack her head to eventually stagger. That one took me a while too!

 

[ethomaz]

The light video was from Alex Baclownia. He is well known for his bias. Don't make all the DF stuff repsonsible for his sh**

He and Richard shares the same bias lol

If they want to share something personal do without use Digital Foundry... so yes the video come from Digital Foundry.

 

[Dibils2k]

I don't think they're conspiracies. I'm relatively new to DF, and subbed their channel because I find their technical analysis interesting. I can pick and choose what I care to believe from it, but the content is good IMO.

However, I think their critics have justification for feeling their system of choice is unfairly treated, as there are legitimate inconsistencies in the videos. PS reveal videos got wacky zoom, and speculation on framerates. The showcase demo of the MS show didn't get that same level of detail. We can all agree the game looked disappointing, but you don't need DF to tell you that. The zoom and framerate talk was expected to the same degree as the PS show, even if it meant picking apart a turd. That stink isn't supposed to be DF's concern, they'd merely be consistent in quality of analysis.

this is because as mentioned the showcase didnt have the games running on an xbox... PS showcase had the games running on PS5 so there is actual point to digging into it

Similarly, there were no mentions of what made FF16 look so underwhelming, along the same lines as Halo. FF clearly suffers from poor lighting, among other missing effects, but while Halo got an entire video dedicated to pointing out how the poor lighting impacted the overall visuals, FF received no such treatment.

I mean this is obvious... Halo is a huge 1st party game where it was supposed to be next gen showcase for MS, it got enourmous backlash so it makes sense for them to cover it. FF, until recently, was never a great looking game so its not a shock nor was there huge outcry... it needs to be mentioned that they can't make videos on everything! so priorities

In the Hitman2 analysis, the worst portion of the benchmark shifted from the easy-to-read frame counter to a percentage based readout, which could be inferred as masking how bad the framerate truly was for an extended portion of that scene. IIRC, that section was also sped up, making the duration of those framerate drops seem less.

again, this percentage thing is something they have done alot recently, especially in the 3080 video. Its a way to show percentage improvement, they showed raw numbers for a very long time too so i dont see problem again... this sounds like "they didnt shit on it long enough", i could tell hitman didnt run well in that neighborhood map, i dont need to see it for 20mins

These aren't conspiracies so much as these are notable inconsistencies in presentation. I mentioned how trusted review/analyst sites make a point of creating standards when generating their content, as to provide comparable results, and to avoid the impression of bias. DF isn't some upstart review site trying to gain its footing, and establish its reputation. They've been around long enough to know better, and these are grown men who should be open to constructive criticism in order to allow themselves to improve. They don't seem to be heeding any of the feedback, which isn't helping to improve their standing with their critics. They might not care to do so, and that's their prerogative. However, I don't think you can write off criticism of their methods as just conspiracies, because I think that diminishes the claims of bias, that DF themselves have opened themselves up to with their continued sloppy approach to graphics analysis. It is what it is.

anything thats not post launch, they dont have any obligation to cover... most of what you said is for pre released games so videos arent consistent and they cover whats new and hot, it wil get consistent when these systems launch and they have concrete and fair comparisons they can do

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[Rocco Schiavone]

He was representing DF when he said that. It's on them to act more professional with clear unbiased standards.

Well then they shouldn't allow a Crysis fanboy to release console related stuff.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

He and Richard shares the same bias lol

If they want to share something personal do without use Digital Foundry.

Do you actually think they care about this? It's all about the clicks bro.

 

[DeeDogg_]

All they did was give him a controller and tell him to post about it to his millions of fans. Easy and cheap marketing. He doesn’t have the console

 

[RyanEvans21]

you are saying we will see the first Xbox series X exclusive games in 2025? Are you serious or just trolling? Lol

Be realistic here! you know it takes 3-4 yrs to make AAA Games. plus add covid pandemic.

I Doubt God of War is coming next year also.

 

[ethomaz]

Do you actually think they care about this? It's all about the clicks bro.

That is the point people are arguing... Digital Foundry have a clear bias toward Xbox whatever the reason is financial or biased personal view.

There is a reason why MS choose them to be their PR tool and Sony blacklisted them (yes Richard is salty because Sony didn’t share info with them anymore).

And gamers should care when reading their pieces.

 

[Mahavastu]

News here looked back on the 25 years of PlayStation

A look back at 25 years of PlayStation ahead of much-anticipated PS5 launch

www.9news.com.au

from the article:

Pre-orders for the PS5 were snapped up in minutes, with almost four million consoles already sold.

We all saw the PS5 selling out pre-orders in minutes world wide. If that 4mio pre-ordered PS5 is even remotly true (did not see that number before), OMG... Sony won't be able to fullfill such a demand for months

 

[Andodalf]

Be realistic here! you know it takes 3-4 yrs to make AAA Games. plus add covid pandemic.

? XSX exclusive games have been in development for years already

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For Hitman 2, not only did they show a framegraph as well during the portion of it running sub 60, but for a lot of the time the One X version is above 30 fps, so showing a % increase makes the jump much easier to parse in relative terms rather than trying to compare 34 to 58 on the fly.

 

[Zadom]

Man, I liked the game but what got me was how far apart save points are. I had to stop because having to go back through hell to get to where I left off every time I died was killing me. I don’t have enough time for gaming for that.

 

[DeeDogg_]

from the article:

We all saw the PS5 selling out pre-orders in minutes world wide. If that 4mio pre-ordered PS5 is even remotly true (did not see that number before), OMG... Sony won't be able to fullfill such a demand for months

They undersupplied retailers and handled the whole thing amateurishly.
Inb4 “MS too!”

 

[RyanEvans21]

? XSX exclusive games have been in development for years already

Which one? i dont see any gameplay. (Except Halo)

 

[PSX]

New footage

 

[ethomaz]

from the article:

We all saw the PS5 selling out pre-orders in minutes world wide. If that 4mio pre-ordered PS5 is even remotly true (did not see that number before), OMG... Sony won't be able to fullfill such a demand for months

They will chip 10m before the years end.

But yeap I believe week one only have around 2m units being shipped and week 2 (EU launch) another 2 million units.

The others 6 million will be shipped though December.

 

[Andodalf]

Which one? i dont see any gameplay. (Except Halo)

................. You're right, these game devs have just done nothing. Hellblade isn't real Forza isn't real, starfield isn't real. Hope they start soon! No clue how GOW 1.5 is supposed to be out next year when that hasn't started dev either!



Why do you troll like this?

 

[ToadMan]

you are saying we will see the first Xbox series X exclusive games in 2025? Are you serious or just trolling? Lol

AAA games - perhaps with the exception of Halo since that is closer to being ready, Yep - 2025 is my estimate now.

1) No gameplay has been shown of anything but Halo which was put back in the oven. What games there are seem to be early in development.
2) This gen it took Sucker Punch just about 6 years to make GOT. ND 5 years or so on TLOU2 and R* only produced RDR2 this gen.

So given how long AAA games take, the investment costs so they have to be good or they stay in the oven until they are - sure I think 5 years from now is a reasonable estimate.

For AAA games that is. Lower quality games can be churned out more quickly.

 

[Vae_Victis]

I played Demon's Souls before. i cant even pass the Tutorial Boss

You are not supposed to, 95% of players die to Vanguard on their first playthrough. Even if you win, you are killed in a cutscene 10 seconds later.

It's like first werewolf in Bloodborne, or the first Genichiro fight in Sekiro, most players are meant to lose and make the plot progress that way.

 

[Mahavastu]

They undersupplied retailers and handled the whole thing amateurishly.
Inb4 “MS too!”

If they really sold 4mio units so far (big IF), they did supply pretty much anything manufactured so far, around twice as much as PS4 were sold at launch world wide
getting so so much units manufactured and supplied is everything but amateur for me...

 

[ethomaz]

They undersupplied retailers and handled the whole thing amateurishly.
Inb4 “MS too!”

I believe what happened is...

1. Sony told retailer A they have 10 allocations to preorder.
2. The retailer saw everybody wanting one and released 20 allocations for preorders.
3. After that they reached Sony and said “10 is too few and we already sold out 20... you need to garantee at least 30 for the launch”.

Retail do that all the time... sells something they don’t have in stock and put the pressure on provider side.

It is a win win... if the provider give them 30 they will be happy if not they blame the provider and delay the delivery.

 

[RyanEvans21]

................. You're right, these game devs have just done nothing. Hellblade isn't real Forza isn't real, starfield isn't real. Hope they start soon! No clue how GOW 1.5 is supposed to be out next year when that hasn't started dev either!



Why do you troll like this?

Trolling? Then Show me the gameplay! we've only seen the title card like God Of War: Ragnarok.

 

[ethomaz]

................. You're right, these game devs have just done nothing. Hellblade isn't real Forza isn't real, starfield isn't real. Hope they start soon! No clue how GOW 1.5 is supposed to be out next year when that hasn't started dev either!



Why do you troll like this?

These games you listed doesn’t have gameplay and are years to be released yet.

Forza looks like 2022ish release and that is the most close of them.

Starfield before MS was already a 5 years longer release at announce... 2023-2024?

 

[Mahavastu]

They will chip 10m before the years end.

But yeap I believe week one only have around 2m units being shipped and week 2 (EU launch) another 2 million units.

The others 6 million will be shipped though December.

around 10 mio units were planed until end of december, 5 of them in Q4. So until launch Sony should have manufactured 7.5mio, not all shipped yet.
I still don't think 10mio devices will be enough, not even close...

 

[3liteDragon]

And it doesn’t even use Ray Tracing.

Technically it does use ray-tracing but it’s not hardware accelerated.

 

[ethomaz]

around 10 mio units were planed until end of december, 5 of them in Q4. So until launch Sony should have manufactured 7.5mio, not all shipped yet.
I still don't think 10mio devices will be enough, not even close...

I don't think it will be enough.

PS4 was with supply issue in US until March-April and in EU until May-June.
I expect way more early adopters than PS4 this time.

 

[ToadMan]

I'm PlayStation and PC. I like to think I'm objective. Microsoft has and still is dropping the ball IMO. All I care about is software. Give me something to get lost in.

I do not care about BC. Never have, never will. Gamepass will make sense once they have titles I'm interested in. On a side note.. Say Starfield comes out in November 2022. I can purchase Gamepass in November for $10. Say I play for 2 months then cancel. I played and enjoyed Starfield for 2 months for $20. I just dont see how thats feasible. Dont get me wrong, it took me months to cancel my Netflix when I wasn't using it, so I can see that angle.. but I dont see how these Titles/Studios are supported by GamePass. Microsoft will have to subsidize them

I'm very selective when it comes to games and what I play. Hopefully Starfield and Elder Scrolls VI are home runs... other than that, I do not see myself playing a Microsoft game.

You're right it's not feasible.

Neither Netflix nor Spotify make enough money - the two market leading subscription services in their domains. Subscriptions just don't work for high quality content - and when the content isn't high enough quality, subscribers leave the service and it's vicious cycle down from there.

Stadia is finding out right now. Apple Arcade is cheap but includes cheap filler games so no one takes any notice. Sony already know from PS Now subscription gaming doesn't generate the income.

MS and Amazon will find out shortly with their offerings when the bottom line becomes apparent.

For now we just have to endure while everyone works out subscription gaming is a financial black hole just like music and movies. The subscription services will end up the cheap end of gaming - home for shovel ware and old stuff no one will pay full price for - and we'll get back to paying full price for quality gaming.

In fact I'm sure someone will figure out a way to pay more than full price - maybe Disney's Mulan model if we didn't already have it gaming with PS Plus and Live. Personally I'd rather just be charged the $70 and be done - it'll work out cheaper in the long run.

 

[Zadom]

They undersupplied retailers and handled the whole thing amateurishly.
Inb4 “MS too!”

Undersupplied retailers at a console launch? How could they have met demand?

Thats a weird complaint. I agree it was hard to get a preorder though, but I’m glad I didn’t have to wait in line overnight.

 

[Classicrockfan]

 

[RyanEvans21]

They undersupplied retailers and handled the whole thing amateurishly.
Inb4 “MS too!”

Maybe because of the lockdown? dont you think?

 

[FunkMiller]

ah your thinking about from, sorry i am talking about https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Amygdala

not the normal one, the defiled one.

Rom i had a few problems with but then i took my time and killed all the spiders first and the fight became very easy.

In the beginning i just ran to him and started to attack him, making him start phase two and t by teleporting away and spawning more spiders in the end i could not get near him.
Killing the spiders and rolling away from the aoe thing made it so much better.

Rom is one of the few bosses I beat first time. Think I just got really good RNG and pounded her ass with my axe over and over. Managed to avoid the spiders pretty easily.

But then Gascoigne and Orphan made me their bitch, so swings and roundabouts.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

You know that the Global Illumination that exists for years uses RT for the calculation only that instead of doing it with the dedicated hardware the shaders / CPU are used and if you had the same calculation power you would obtain the same result.

I say it so that you stop saying nonsensical things and it seems that you do not know what you are talking about.

What the fuck? Who are you replying to?

 

[Killer Sakoman]

Halo infinity map is way bigger a lot of more triangles to process

Spider-Man is open world too. Stop giving excuses to that shit

 

[FunkMiller]

Stadia is finding out right now. Apple Arcade is cheap but includes cheap filler games so no one takes any notice. Sony already know from PS Now subscription gaming doesn't generate the income.

MS and Amazon will find out shortly with their offerings when the bottom line becomes apparent.

For now we just have to endure while everyone works out subscription gaming is a financial black hole just like music and movies. The subscription services will end up the cheap end of gaming - home for shovel ware and old stuff no one will pay full price for - and we'll get back to paying full price for quality gaming.

Amazon probably aren’t going to spend much on Luna. They’ll just make sure it has loads of third party games, and is low cost to the consumer. They’ll encourage devs to come to them, but don’t expect them to spend like Microsoft is on acquisitions. They don’t need to. They have far more market penetration due to Prime, Twitch and their own tech.

My prediction: Luna will have more subscribers than GamePass in two years.

 

[Doncabesa]

These games you listed doesn’t have gameplay and are years to be released yet.

Forza looks like 2022ish release and that is the most close of them.

Starfield before MS was already a 5 years longer release at announce... 2023-2024?

Forza Motorsport will most likely land in game preview next year, and Starfield was rumored to be a 2020 game before covid so 2021 seems reasonable to me. Avowed and Fable being at least 2 years out is a given but they didn't show anything that isn't coming out until 2024 this year.

 

[tmlDan]

the new trailer looks great! seems like they're rolling out the dev explanations. hopefully more games to come.

 

[WakeTheWolf]

Believing in generations I see

 

[Nikana]

Amazon probably aren’t going to spend much on Luna. They’ll just make sure it has loads of third party games, and is low cost to the consumer. They’ll encourage devs to come to them, but don’t expect them to spend like Microsoft is on acquisitions. They don’t need to. They have far more market penetration due to Prime, Twitch and their own tech.

My prediction: Luna will have more subscribers than GamePass in two years.

I'll take that bet.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

I have no idea how you can say this doesn't match up to the UE demo.

Yes it does. The visual fidelity is as high. The LOD is as high. Feel free to provide direct comparisons if you like, but they’re on a par IMO. This is next gen. The only real next gen we’ve seen.

I stand with FunkMiller on this. UE5 was basic. The flight was fire ,but overall its bland compared to DS. The looks are the same. As this is effects of PS5 hardware. But Demon Souls has many more effects its not even close. I think people are being swindle by the brightness & day time of UE5. DS is an actual game that has got dragons,spiders,lightning,fire, rain,wind, dynamic lightning ,We got puddles & Terrain change. lol its a beat down.

This look & fidelty is all PS5. People that think that was Unreal engine doing all the magic?? Stop talking about nanite all this branding crap. It was all sonys tech .Just remember who's box & tech was being used. IF it was so great why didn't they use PC. Unreal had to go rebuild their engine just to keep up. That only tells you who brought the tech over,

 

[Nickolaidas]

HAVIK CONFIRMED!!!

Mortal Kombat 11 is going to be SOOOOO good next year!!

 

[BlueXImpulse]

Demon's Souls blog post soon?

 

[Doncabesa]

Demon's Soul Deluxe Edition Info

Seems weird to have a Souls game with a built in boost, but that's cool for people who want to spend the extra $20. OST would be the main thing for me.

 

[FranXico]

HAVIK CONFIRMED!!!

Mortal Kombat 11 is going to be SOOOOO good next year!!

New Kombat Pack? Link?