mortal
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Has it ever occurred to you they likely have friends that are game developers, considering their line of work?
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Digital Foundry's John: Been talking to developers, people will be pleasantly surprised with PS5's results
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It’s definitely big. That should help.
Great Hair
Banned
Don´t they all sign an NDA? during development, and why would they share in-depth details of their current work with John, Richard, Alex, Tom, Jim, Frank, Peter?
They got nothing but a small indie dev. at best, most likely ModernVintageGamer who joined a new studio recently and showed up during the stream.
LordOfChaos
Member
Which is why the names of the developers aren't mentioned and things are kept vague until companies themselves disclose details.
They just hit a million subs, millions of views, some people just want to talk about what they're interested in with interesting people or want a slice of that fame even if behind an anonymous tag.
MasterCornholio
Member
Wasn't the liquid metal revealed to be the secret sauce?
They both have special sauce btw.
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mortal
Gold Member
In depth details? This isn't developers leaking things to the DF crew. All John said was that people will be pleasantly surprised with results.
He's just merely passing along their enthusiasm, it's not like he leaked any actual info or specific details lol.
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Reindeer
Member
Nah, there will still be some differences they can dig into, plus there's the Series S that should be different from the other two in its resolution and maybe framerate.
Reindeer
Member
Liquid sauce, the same liquid that Liquid Snake was made from. It all makes sense now.Wasn't the liquid metal revealed to be the secret sauce?
They both have special sauce btw.
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killatopak
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Xbox fans smug about MS buying Bethesda.
What they didn’t know is that Sony bought Eurogamer.
borborygmus
Member
That must explain why the Ps5 comes with a pre-melted chassis.
Megatron
Member
Yup. Sony going to sue them for sure for telling them they are hearing good things about the PS5.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yup. The whole TF debate is a ridiculous apples to oranges festival of nonsense based on marketing.
Both Xbox and PS5 have different approaches to solving the same problem and we are only really going to know which one is better when we can actually test the games.
Theory crafting the paper specs is fun, but seeing fan boys live and die and sperg out over this marketing strategy is sad.
Soulblighter31
Banned
You have to admire the dedication of sony fans that they can find a 2 minute section praising the ps5 in a 2 hour video.
Knitted Knight
Banned
Developers be like...
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Is it John who says it? But didn't John also say he's hearing from multiple well known sources that PS5 will be very very very very expensive like $600+ expensive. But then that wasn't the case. Not sure if his sources are legit!
Knitted Knight
Banned
Don't take anything from DF seriously and you'll be fine. John got caught writing from a script provided by the Coalition while doing the analysis piece for Gears. The man works under the wrong individual (Richard). Too bad he got the worst incoming for getting exposed... he looks and behaves like the nicest of the bunch. All the others are worse but a tad smarter at covering their BS.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
link?
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Not surprised by John's comments. He seems to be completely unwilling to possibly believe that maybe just maybe the Xbox Series X is simply the far better designed console in every aspect. He's complained all year about not being a fan of Microsoft being cross-gen for about two years if that but Sony announced a few games being cross-gen and outside of a single tweet, I haven't seen, read or heard him complain continuously about it like he's done with Xbox. Like, how does that work? If they're both doing the same shit and Sony seems to be doing cross-gen twice as long according to Jim "dance moves" Ryan, shouldn't he be realistically complaining about Sony's cross-gen approach twice as much?
Love it when I see people say this developer said this or that or even when these developers tweet. They're making games for both these consoles at the requests of the publishers that's signing their paychecks. Like, WTF else are they going to say?
Microsoft sent out their Xbox Series X prototypes on September 23rd if I remember correctly which was 7 weeks before launch to Gaming Media and YouTubers as well as Digital Foundry yet I don't see Sony doing that shit yet? When will they do that? November 11th? SMH.
When the head to head game comparisons happen in November and the two consoles get compared, I really hope it's any of the other four guys that do the comparing because John just doesn't seem capable of being impartial, fair and critical of Sony and PlayStation 5 if/when needed.
Love it when I see people say this developer said this or that or even when these developers tweet. They're making games for both these consoles at the requests of the publishers that's signing their paychecks. Like, WTF else are they going to say?
Microsoft sent out their Xbox Series X prototypes on September 23rd if I remember correctly which was 7 weeks before launch to Gaming Media and YouTubers as well as Digital Foundry yet I don't see Sony doing that shit yet? When will they do that? November 11th? SMH.
When the head to head game comparisons happen in November and the two consoles get compared, I really hope it's any of the other four guys that do the comparing because John just doesn't seem capable of being impartial, fair and critical of Sony and PlayStation 5 if/when needed.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Knitted Knight
Banned
It's one of Gaf's biggest drama threads ever... lets see if I can dig it up.
I think it's this one... page 4 and on gets going.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/stop...wondering-if-patreon-needs-improving.1504594/
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Mr. PlayStation
Member
Yeah I did see KingThrash mention that and John did acknowledge it. But tell me how does that make John look bad? Some of the rendering techniques are studio specific secrets. Unless a studio divulges information, a tech analysis person wouldn't know how to put it in words. Coalition provided him tech information for John to use it in the video analysis of the game.
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NinjaBoiX
Member
Nah, don’t get it twisted, they’re always shills.
Just sometimes their Xbox shirt is in the wash so they have to wear their PlayStation shirt.
Knitted Knight
Banned
It creates a conflict of interest, and devalues the quality of the analysis, not improve it, no matter how much is said otherwise. Plus inconsistencies Thrash brought up in different games being selectively criticized while Gears wasn't put under the same rigorous analysis regime (due to getting the info sourced from the coalition + other excuses he used to defend himself on that thread). It's your typical fluff piece in journalism. Nothing new. Just don't bill yourself as objective truth bearers, and paragons of quality analysis. It doesn't hold up upon closer inspection. People can like their content, and defend them, fund them, and go to bat for them on forums, social media or whatever.... don't matter to me. There are others like me who watch their videos with a massive salt bag on the side - and it's good that there are people out there with a healthy, and unhealthy dosage of skepticism of anything coming from them. Sheep you can not be if you can help it.
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Lethal01
Member
The sound cut out before he finished, but as a professional lip reader I was able to get everything he said.
The full sentence was
"We haven't actually had hands on with the PS5 yet, but just talking to developers... I think people will be surprised in a good way. [I have been] hearing some good things about that PS5[running at 1440p and dynamic 4K].
I wouldn't have it any other way
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
The schizophreniac fanboy narritave as usual.
The fact that DF (a purely informative, unbised tech channel) is put into the forefront of this stupid "war" is depressing, and it truly speak volumes that some gamers are no more than manchildren who fight over which corprate™ box is better to play on.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'm an Xbot, I'm a Sony Pony. Which narrative are we running with today?
Rean no Kiseki
Banned
GenericUser
Member
I can't wait for the comparisons between the multiplatform games in november (looking at cod cold war). That will be hillarious, it's a guaranteed shitposting festival.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
John seems mostly consistent, more of a retro consoles fan and the more impartial of the bunch.
Battaglia and Leadbetter’s pattern of “hope shines eternal/bad news always have a bright side to it” on one side and “concern/doubt/reasonable skepticism/... great but...” for the other is where the issue normally lies.
Of course some of the more fervent fans here try to deflect the entire issue by trying to be funny: “I prefer not to think about DF being more than one person and a collective of people where some in particular are pretty biased one way... much better it is to post the n-th joke of ‘wait wait weren’t they biased for Xbox lololol?!?’ if John says anything positive about PS5 without a but/huge dose of salt and concern at the end”...
Battaglia and Leadbetter’s pattern of “hope shines eternal/bad news always have a bright side to it” on one side and “concern/doubt/reasonable skepticism/... great but...” for the other is where the issue normally lies.
Of course some of the more fervent fans here try to deflect the entire issue by trying to be funny: “I prefer not to think about DF being more than one person and a collective of people where some in particular are pretty biased one way... much better it is to post the n-th joke of ‘wait wait weren’t they biased for Xbox lololol?!?’ if John says anything positive about PS5 without a but/huge dose of salt and concern at the end”...
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Nhranaghacon
Banned
"Teraflops are just a meaningless paper calculation"
And every computer scientist in existence audibly protest's in chorus.
I'm so tired of hearing "Teraflops aren't the margin of which to measure system power"
If that is true, then when software optimizations meant to bolster's teraflop performance over 10x (making a single teraflop do 135 trillion calculations a second opposed to the current 4 trillion - a teraflop originally was a measure of 1 trillion operations a second - sub par software optimization have bolstered this number to 4 trillion - within 3 to 4 years - 135 trillion calculations through software optimization is on the roadmap - and this is before using new wild machine learning method like DLSS 3.0 ect.. to boost performance.. though these software optimizations will be aided by machine learning too) as it is scheduled to do - (I say sub par here, as it is only the first round of teraflop performance operations through software optimization that has had... any impact) please do not utilize these methods to increase graphic fidelity across your ecosystems. And please exit the performance Arena if Teraflop performance is not the important factor when attempting to achieve exemplary graphics.
Ridiculous.
And every computer scientist in existence audibly protest's in chorus.
I'm so tired of hearing "Teraflops aren't the margin of which to measure system power"
If that is true, then when software optimizations meant to bolster's teraflop performance over 10x (making a single teraflop do 135 trillion calculations a second opposed to the current 4 trillion - a teraflop originally was a measure of 1 trillion operations a second - sub par software optimization have bolstered this number to 4 trillion - within 3 to 4 years - 135 trillion calculations through software optimization is on the roadmap - and this is before using new wild machine learning method like DLSS 3.0 ect.. to boost performance.. though these software optimizations will be aided by machine learning too) as it is scheduled to do - (I say sub par here, as it is only the first round of teraflop performance operations through software optimization that has had... any impact) please do not utilize these methods to increase graphic fidelity across your ecosystems. And please exit the performance Arena if Teraflop performance is not the important factor when attempting to achieve exemplary graphics.
Ridiculous.
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El Pistolero
Banned
John reporting on what he had heard...And no reaction from the rest of the team. Rich looked annoyed, however, and Alex’s teeth were grinding so hard he had to mute his microphone for a few seconds. The other dead bodies feared that Rich might unleash the rabid Alex on them, so they preferred silence to a possible controversy. Yeah, those John’s words created an unsettling atmosphere there for a moment, especially that he killed Rich’s erection; One that he can only muster to provoke after citing the numbers 12 and 52...Just a weird fetish, really.
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geordiemp
Member
TF metric is correct for calculations, games are doing more than that so TF is a factor yes, but not the only one.
Ampere vs Turing
As does historic Nvidia vs AMD
AMD RDNA1 vs their older tech
I am interested to see what PC RDNA2 at 2.5 GHz does and infinity cache, there will be surprises.
Cerny said this in road to Ps5 a while ago.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
“Oh you delivered a 1 Exaflop system, but do not want to talk about how that number is reached and how practical it is, oh sure where do I sign the check?” said nobody ever...
TFLOPS are not meaningless, they just need context to allow people to understand how they relate to overall performance. Back when PS2 obliterated Dreamcast in most of these performance metrics you see plenty of technical SEGA and GameCube fans doubting and concerning about 6.2 GFLOPS, the 1.2 GTexels/s - 2.4 GPixels/s fillrate, sustained performance vs theoretical performance, etc... plenty of material hehe.
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El Pistolero
Banned
Well, beats the Xbox loyalists who seem to only rely on the voices in their heads...
A Most Virtuous Cat
Banned
PS5 MASTER RACE .
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Lysandros
Member
I was about to write something similar with slightly different words, i agree.
MaulerX
Member
I've heard this before. Remember when Schreier said something similar months ago? How devs (which ones nobody knows) said good things about the PS5?
Honestly just tired of all these vague comments with absolutely nothing to back them up. Zero context as to what they mean. No specifics. The specs are set in stone. No mythical unicorns or secred sauces.
Honestly just tired of all these vague comments with absolutely nothing to back them up. Zero context as to what they mean. No specifics. The specs are set in stone. No mythical unicorns or secred sauces.
geordiemp
Member
What specs are set in stone, you know L2 and L1 cache sizes and arrangements, you know cache bandwidths ? All of this is vital.
You know the 80 CU RDNA2 beast is leaked as having a large 128 MB L2 cache and only a 256 bus, and its a beast ?
AMD just patented infinity cache, and there are also L1 patents showing large GPU IPC gains. Is that enough back up ?
I doubt Ps5 has the shared L1 cache and some operations going over 20 % more performance in some commands as it seems more focussed on deep learning apps with shared data over arrays, but it shows what a cache optimisation can do.
I can imagine a big L2 cache would be great for ray tracing.....
That L1 AMD patent paper is a good read, effective bandwidth to shaders = bandwidth / cache misses factors. If you get data to shaders at the nearest cache Faster than lots of clock cycles for a cache miss, performance goes up SIGNIFICANTLY>
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Stiflers Mom
Banned
Just give me graphics that look next gen finally.
Fuck TFs and shit.
Fuck TFs and shit.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Just a passing comment in an irrelevant video. Mostly to create hype instead of being informative.
Threadworthy?
Threadworthy?
Lysandros
Member
To be fair 128 MB could be the total of all caches on die (L0, L1, L2), it seems a bit excessive for just L2, but we'll see..
geordiemp
Member
128 mB would not be allot for all caches, as L2, L1 and L0 add up to allot on a 80CU. But we wait and see, a leaks a leak.
martino
Member
if it happens to be the case the million will not last long.
Good God. Even in a thread spawned by DF saying something positive about PS5 we're still getting this conspiracy/shill dribble. Give it a break.
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MaulerX
Member
Ok youre just speculating right now and has nothing to do with what I said. Besides, MS has PS5 dev kits and know exactly what their up against. Which is why they seem so confident in what they got.
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