turtlepowa
Banned
What did you expect? A prettified Gears 5 is old shit while a prettified Demon's Souls is the holy grail of gaming.
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Kagey K
Banned
The funny thing is people expecting Demons Souls to be all the rage with the casuals.
It has a small but vocal voice on the internet, but the reality is, most people don’t like the souls games.
When I got the trophy for getting the soapstone, there was a small fraction of gamers that had made it that far.
Gudji
Member
A prettified gears 5 is still shit because well... it's a shit game. Demo's souls despite being a remake actually looks like a next-gen game and the game was good. If Gears 5 was great people would be raving about the update, unfortunately it's not.
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Mr.ODST
Member
Most casual I know getting a PS5 are wanting Spiderman, none of them care for Demon Souls nor do they know what it is
It also is making me think how both machines will handle B/C, we know Microsoft is adding the improvements in for each title, and that's why most aren't available at the time, do we even know PS5's way of B/C or is it just simple Software Emulation?
It also is making me think how both machines will handle B/C, we know Microsoft is adding the improvements in for each title, and that's why most aren't available at the time, do we even know PS5's way of B/C or is it just simple Software Emulation?
93xfan
Banned
Again, you’re trolling an Xbox thread and trying to turn a thread about BC into a console war about who has better games.
It’s pathetic that you have to go into a positive Xbox thread to complain about the thread.
It’s telling that you don’t do the same with positive PlayStation threads.
Also, when did Sony announce the following?:
Doubling Frame Rates
Full clock speeds for ALL games
16xAF
Auto HDR
Gen 7 games
Gen 6 games
I know pro consumer stuff infuriates you, but please respect that some of us prefer it over being charged for remasters. Thanks for stopping by.
Kagey K
Banned
The first game was kind of shitty, full of cheese and jank. Demons Souls was never an impressive game.
Let’s not pretend it was better than it was.
turtlepowa
Banned
84/100 is shit while 89/100 is godlike? Good to know.
Mr.ODST
Member
I remember ordering DS from Japan on the PS3 and at the time was amazing BUT as the series evolved with Dark Souls and Bloodbourne you'll see the huge gameplay improvements and refinements to make it an enjoyable experience.
It is a fun game though.
Jibran#one
Member
All the non believers of bc games try read dead redemption in 4k on one x that one game alone is one of the best reason alone to get a series x or one x ,
Imagine them enhancing gta 4 or maxpayne 3 ,
To this day there is still not a game that comes close to maxpayne 3 and playing that in 4k 60fps would be a game changer in my opinion
Imagine them enhancing gta 4 or maxpayne 3 ,
To this day there is still not a game that comes close to maxpayne 3 and playing that in 4k 60fps would be a game changer in my opinion
Gudji
Member
BC works pretty much the same way on both consoles.
Unlocked framerate/resolution -> 4k 60
Locked framerate/resolution -> works like on previous gen console if it doesn't get updated
MS is taking some select titles that run at 30 and increasing it to 60 FPS, which is nice I guess. They also have auto-HDR for select titles. I guess you can say BC will be a bit better in some aspects compared to PS5 but I'm sure PS5 will also have some advantages, like load times.
Metacritic scores don't tell the whole story about a game. Gears 5 Is slightly better than Gears 4, that should tell you all.
Still a better game than gears 5.
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Mr.ODST
Member
Ahh ok, thats not bad then, I think I saw somewhere that not all titles are tested so it will be hit and miss like the PS3?
If I can still play my JRPG's im fine xD
Gudji
Member
99% of games work on PS5, there's only a small list of games that don't work at the moment and some are getting updated to be able to. They're mostly forgetable games fortunately.
On Xbox consoles we don't know if it all be supported on day one since some games haven't been working, judging by xbox series x preview.
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Kagey K
Banned
I have a strange feeling like you haven’t played it.
Self
Member
The Series X supports native BC on XOne games as well as PS5 on PS4 games. That's what everybody is saying at least.
The problem is that 360 and especially OGX haven't sufficient and adequate support. Something which is very rarely addressed in the media.
Gudji
Member
Some Xbox one games weren't working on the preview. Either that will be the case or not at launch is yet to be seen.
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Self
Member
Didn't know that, thanks. I'm aware that Kinect games won't work, but this is new to me. Hmm...
Kagey K
Banned
Xbox was opening up more and more games in the preview in order to get them to make more videos.
Expect them all to be there day one, and everyone who said otherwise is going to look silly, as MS fully explained the situation to them and they agreed.
Most of them even mentioned it in their videos, but many people chose to ignore it.
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DrScissorsMD
Banned
You’re trying way to hard to “us too” for PS. Xbox BC is better across the board; you might not think so but it’s a fact. They’ve already confirmed everything that was already BC on Xbone (so the 360 and OG Xbox games they had) as well as all the Xbone games (other than Kinect games) will work. The previews have been getting games in batches =/= they won’t be ready at launch. Also by that logic, we don’t know if any BC will work on PS5 as we haven’t seen any at all, but obviously there will be.
You can hand wave the BC improvements all you like but it doesn’t diminish that they’ve guaranteed enhancements outside of brute-forced improvements (“boost mode”) and PS hasn’t.
Kagey K
Banned
I want to see the PS4 boost mode in action, right now all they can say Is that it works, and not much else.
Show it to us.
Gudji
Member
I'm not talking about opening up games. Some required updates to work, others that were available didn't work at all.
Maybe at launch every single one will be working, maybe not. No one knows.
I'm not trying to hard, I'm answering questions and providing facts based on what we know atm. I don't give two shits if BC is better on one console vs the other.
I didn't hand wave anything, I listed those improvements. Either they're significant or not to the people buying it that's up to them, not me.
Kagey K
Banned
Actually we all know. They will be working.
If you doubt that, I don’t know what to say to you. Quote me in 16 days.
Because I will be here making fun of all the game breaking bugs if they are there.
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Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Prettified Gears 5 is free.
Prettified Demon's Souls is £70.
I think the biggest differential is still that the PS5 is limited to the PS4Pro enhanced versions of the games, compared to XsX playing the X1X versions.
The latter will generally have either 4k, 60fps or both as options in cases where the former will have one or more limited.
I used the example of Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster in another thread, as a prettified PS2 title that's on everything Switch included, but only X1X has a 4k mode - so this game, and most other multiplats with enhancements (like say, Hitman, Battlefield, COD etc), will run better on XsX than PS5 by default.
The PS5's boost mode will help it max out the PS4Pro versions of the games, but if maxing out is 1440p then it's a lot of wasted potential. This would require the developers to step in and create patches, which could happen in many cases but clearly not all.
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Calverz
Member
have you actually played gears 5?
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Gudji
Member
I did, sorry if I have high standards and expectations for a 2019 title. For me it's a mediocre game all the way, bad acting and story, uninteresting protagonist and characters, gameplay with little to no improvements, the gameplay feels stuck in the year 2000's. I dropped it a bit after getting into the semi-open world stuff, I felt like that was pointless and was there just to say "see this is different than before", it didn't felt great in anyway, at least that's my opinion.
More power to you if you enjoy it. Have fun.
Kagey K
Banned
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm in the same camp as you, OP. Thought about upgrading my PC, said fuck it and went for Xbox.
Calverz
Member
Ok sure it didnt reach the heights of 1 or 3 but its significantly better than 4 and the multiplayer was absolutely solid with minimal latency and great performance.
Demons souls was never a great game imo. It was almost a beta for the far superior dark souls. Everyone who played the original knows this. But i am intrigued by this remaster/remake. Which is why i have pre ordered it.
But the fact we are getting amazing free upgrades to the best looking/performing game of last gen is amazing.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
To be fair this was my thinking as well. The games I would play on my home machine (Mac, it is an ecosystem thing... partially work related too) would mostly work just fine inside Parallels + Windows VM or DosBox and I am excited by the thought of building PC’s and all the research that goes into it, but it is just not enough.
XSX gets me access to tons of the “new PC games” I would play there at a fraction of the cost of a new PC, it gets me the easiest path toward the benefits of Direct Storage to make proper use of the SSD for such games and it gets me tons of improved Xbox One titles as well as a selection of Xbox 360 and OG Xbox titles I have not played in a long while and that I look forward to playing again.
One console for Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind, the original Prey, The Darkness, all Halo games (all with improved texture filtering and reduced frame rate hiccups and resolution drops in dynamic resolution titles)... and MSFS 2020 (hopefully the loading times on the latter two get improved further thanks to the SSD) and TES VI (which to be fair I hoped it would arrive on PS5 as open world RPG’s seem the best title to stress the most what an SSD can deliver... but I do NOT think it will come outfit obvious reasons)? Well, sounds sweet
.The Darkness on Xbox One X vs Xbox 360 (and it dips on Xbox 360 far more than that)
Sure, I want a lot more than BC and it would not be what gets me to buy XSX2, but maybe XSX3 if there is not an awesome mix of tons of new titles pushing the HW well... we shall see, I want to be optimistic.
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Malcolm9
Member
MS loves to dress up old games, they then increase the price on their store like they did with old Xbox and 360 titles but I guess they want to suck you into Gamepass.
I went off Gears and Halo years ago, Forza for me is the best exclusive on Xbox.
As for BC, the PS5 will be fine, I don't need auto HDR on old games, I would rather play new titles.
I went off Gears and Halo years ago, Forza for me is the best exclusive on Xbox.
As for BC, the PS5 will be fine, I don't need auto HDR on old games, I would rather play new titles.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
Spoilers section is addressing the off-topic bits of the thread, the important part relevant to the thread isn't spoilered.
But this is all sort of off topic, still felt I had to comment on it. ON TOPIC yes, Series X is absolutely the best way to go for backwards compatibility and there's an amazing library of 360 games to play. There's lots of XB1 games I'd love to re-visit, too. As a PC gamer I would love to be able to play games like Black and Crackdown again and apparently it improves their performance! Anyone arguing PS5 is really competing on this front is lying, the big deal with PS5 is if you missed PS4, especially with the PS+ library they're doing, but if you've beaten all these games it's not clear why it'd be such a big deal, we're not even sure how much it improves them, tell me Bloodborne runs at 60 now and I'll be giddy as fuck but I'm not hearing that! It's clear Series X has the argument WON on BC.
Taste is pretty subjective but LOL @ any Gears game being better than any Souls game. Also why do you guys keep acting like what's happening to Gears 5 on XSX visually is equivalent to the jump from Demon's Souls PS3 to PS5? It's demonstrably not. Gears 5 on XSX looks like what it already did for us PC gamers, even. We never got Demon's Souls looking this amazing via emulation, probably because it's legitimately a remake not just a "prettified" version of the first. "John Carpenter's The Thing was just a prettified version of The Thing From Another World" or whatever other example suits you. I also think many Souls fans have never played Demon's Souls at all, to them this isn't a remake at all, this looks like a brand new Souls game... why wouldn't they be excited?
While it's true Souls has a niche fandom it's weird then comparing to Gears 5, isn't it? Because Gears 5 didn't sell that well at all lol, while no official numbers for either I'd hazard a guess Bloodborne sold more copies, while you can say that's Gamepass cannibalizing it's potential keep in mind it doubled the players Gears 4 had due to Gamepass as well, to my knowledge Gears of War 4 never even hit 3 million copies sold. So, they're kind of both niche franchises by this standard, right? The Dark Souls franchise has sold over 27 million units which is about how much Gears has done... which is kinda crazy because Gears 1 and 2 were games you'd assume were actual mainstream games not niche. It was at entry 3 things started to look less up for them and it was clear they couldn't be on the level of a Halo.
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While it's true Souls has a niche fandom it's weird then comparing to Gears 5, isn't it? Because Gears 5 didn't sell that well at all lol, while no official numbers for either I'd hazard a guess Bloodborne sold more copies, while you can say that's Gamepass cannibalizing it's potential keep in mind it doubled the players Gears 4 had due to Gamepass as well, to my knowledge Gears of War 4 never even hit 3 million copies sold. So, they're kind of both niche franchises by this standard, right? The Dark Souls franchise has sold over 27 million units which is about how much Gears has done... which is kinda crazy because Gears 1 and 2 were games you'd assume were actual mainstream games not niche. It was at entry 3 things started to look less up for them and it was clear they couldn't be on the level of a Halo.
Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
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But this is all sort of off topic, still felt I had to comment on it. ON TOPIC yes, Series X is absolutely the best way to go for backwards compatibility and there's an amazing library of 360 games to play. There's lots of XB1 games I'd love to re-visit, too. As a PC gamer I would love to be able to play games like Black and Crackdown again and apparently it improves their performance! Anyone arguing PS5 is really competing on this front is lying, the big deal with PS5 is if you missed PS4, especially with the PS+ library they're doing, but if you've beaten all these games it's not clear why it'd be such a big deal, we're not even sure how much it improves them, tell me Bloodborne runs at 60 now and I'll be giddy as fuck but I'm not hearing that! It's clear Series X has the argument WON on BC.
Jibran#one
Member
I'll be getting both consoles sooner than later but ur an idiot if u can't see that sony are charging money for upgraded graphics of Spiderman while Microsoft is doing free upgrades of forza horizon 4,gears 5,gears tactics,ori, halo collection absolutely free
yurinka
Member
When they announced the BC and its boost mode, or when they detailed it on the PS Blog website and the PS support page FAQ mentioned that exactly like in Series X, BC games would increase their framerate when played on PS5. Obviously this will be noticiable on those games that weren't already running at steady capped 30 fps or 60fps.
In devs desire it, PS4 games capped at 30fps can be patched to add an unlocked fps mode/60fps limit, so they run at 60fps in next gen. Ghost of Tsushima announced that they did it for PS5, Fallout 76 devs announced they did it for their game (at least in Series X). If not patched or released as native next gen games with improvements, games locked at 30fps will have less and smaller framedrops on both consoles.
Same happens with resolution, in both consoles if games have dynamic resolution its resolution will increase. If instead have a fixed resolution, their resolution won't increase in next gen consoles unless they get patched with a dynamic resolution patch or an improved port for the next gen console/remaster/remake.
Sony didn't announce 16xAF or Auto HDR for BC games.
PS5 will have more Gen 6 BC games than Series X, even if not directly. PS4 had the 'PS2 Classics': some emulated games with added trophies like GTA III, GTA Vice City or GTA San Andreas, the Jak games, Bully, Max Payne and like over 50 games. Here you have a list, I don't know if it's updated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games_for_PlayStation_4
It's a bigger list than the 42 Xbox games supported by XBO (so Series X, which its 360 ad OG Xbox games list will be -or aim to be- the same): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backward-compatible_games_for_Xbox_One
PS4 also received a ton of remasters or remakes of Gen 5, Gen 6 and Gen 7 games: The Last of Us, God of War III, Uncharted Collection, FFVII Remake, Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy+ Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled, Parappa The Rapper Remastered, or some were crossgen with gen 7 like Journey. Then some other gen 5 games are also included in collections, like all the Street Fighter games in Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection or Symphony of the Night on Castlevania Requiem just to name a few.
They won't give you for free these games if you had the original ones, but you'll get them for free if you had them on PS4 and they were improved versions for ports/remasters/remakes (or emulated arcade perfect versions instead of a choppy PS1 port in the case of arcade games).
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TaylorSwiftFan
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Brb. Creating my own thread. Hope to see everyone there.
I initially was going to go all in on PS5, but think I am going to be going in with a Series X and will pick up a PS5 in a few years when the Slim/Pro model comes out. I love Sony exclusives, but am appreciative of the Microsoft approach.
I spent years in the Xbox ecosystem during the 360 years and the early years of the Xbone. My friends gamed there so I picked up tons of games cheap in digital sales and through Games with Gold. I am still playing games from the PS2/OG Xbox era so Microsoft's approach works for me. I am skeptical they will come up with exclusives that matter, but I hope they do.
I spent years in the Xbox ecosystem during the 360 years and the early years of the Xbone. My friends gamed there so I picked up tons of games cheap in digital sales and through Games with Gold. I am still playing games from the PS2/OG Xbox era so Microsoft's approach works for me. I am skeptical they will come up with exclusives that matter, but I hope they do.
DaleinCalgary
Member
What if you put gears 3 into a ps5 and kill zone 3 into an XBX?
Nikana
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djjinx2
Member
Demon's is a niche game, Gears I enjoy multiplayer on, can you elaborate why it's "shit"
Geeky gaming forums love Demon's but Joe Public doesn't agree
Gudji
Member
Already did read the other posts.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
On the topic of Xbox, you know that you're going to get new games that can't be played on older consoles by default, right? Its simply has the added benefit of being able to carry over a shit load of BC games and accessories. The best of both worlds.
What's the problem? I don't understand? OP is just prioritizing BC on a box that does both...
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Trying to follow the thread so I may have missed it, but did OP ever explain how they decided to buy a console with no backwards compatibility in the first place when it's such an important aspect to them?
I though I also saw you say later that you expect to pick up a ps5 for exclusives. You also said you have a ps4 and an xbox (1?). You also mention ps1,2,3 and xbox+360. It doesn't sound like you've been "swayed" at all, you are doing the same thing you do every console generation, buying both.
Sounds like you were fishing to try and upset someone with your bRaVe and CoNtRoVeRsIaL opinion.
I'm sure you mean support in addition to ps4 right? Or those 3 instead?
I though I also saw you say later that you expect to pick up a ps5 for exclusives. You also said you have a ps4 and an xbox (1?). You also mention ps1,2,3 and xbox+360. It doesn't sound like you've been "swayed" at all, you are doing the same thing you do every console generation, buying both.
Sounds like you were fishing to try and upset someone with your bRaVe and CoNtRoVeRsIaL opinion.
SecretAgentHam
Member
Backwards compatibility has huge value for those, like myself, who have a large collection of titles they still regularly play. After the PS4 was confirmed to not be BC with previous generations, I was happy to see Xbox make an effort to keep it going. It's no surprise to see people lean toward the XSX early this gen with so few exclusive titles on the horizon for both consoles.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
It'll be the better multiplat machine, hands down. That's a given.
Riven326
Banned
To answer your first question, I meant in addition. I think PS5 should support all previous generations of PlayStation games, not just PS4. I would go further by saying Sony should not be monetizing it with PS Now.
I don't think my opinion is brave or controversial. I probably will pick up a PS5 for the exclusives, but it's not guaranteed. What I was trying to convey with this thread is the importance of preserving older games on console, and the advancement that are being made to that end convinced me to but the Xbox instead of the PlayStation.
This isn't merely backward compatibility. This is taking a feature normally exclusive to PC and bringing it to console. Normally you'd be stuck playing an old game on an old console or an old game being emulated on a new console, but you're stuck with the original resolution (720p for example) on a 4k display, which looks terrible, and possibly even lower performance because the game is being emulated.
Series X is a big step forward in game preservation on consoles. I think this is even more important than bringing mods to consoles. That there may be a controversial opinion.
Desudzer10
Member
For the first year and a half at least of this generation, BC is gonna be more of a factor than it has been.
DaleinCalgary
Member
That's because MS has to give away upgrades for free so people buy a XBX. That is the only reason why I'm buying a XBX.
Kagey K
Banned
Sure Jan.
FrankWza
Member
All of this does come at a cost. Not just the game saves. It’s a cost of not having every game backward compatible. Isn’t it like 500 out of thousands xb/360? It’s a nice touch, but it not 100% backwards compatible.
yurinka
Member
-Even if not counting the higher amount of remasters or remakes released on PS4, PS5 BC also reaches back multiple generations, in fact PS5 supports more 'PS2 Classics' than the XBO (so Series X too) supports -or it aims to support because still doesn't support the entire XBO catalog- of OG Xbox games.
-PS5 also features the increased framerate or resolution, allows dynamic resolution or unlocked framerate patches for PS4 games, or to re-release games as crossgen with additional improvements on next gen and a free upgrade.
-PS4 savedata of all PS4 games can be moved to PS5 at no extra cost using USB storage, direct wifi connection or cloud saves to be used in BC. For crossgen games (those with a native version of the same game on both consoles) ike in Xbox devs decide if you can migrate the savedata from the current gen version to the next gen version. But for all you'll be able to use it for the PS4 versions of the game when running on PS5.