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The Spanish speaking site "LEVEL UP" in an interview with Gavin Moore, has confirmed NO-RT in Demon souls,
Confirman que Demon’s Souls no tendrá raytracing en PlayStation 5 | LevelUp
LEVEL UP platicó con Gavin Moore, director creativo del juego y miembro de SIE Japan Studiowww.levelup.com
I hope more games do this. Ray tracing is just to taxing and leaving to much other stuff and performance on the table.
MasterCornholio
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Worldwide Studios: First look at 9 new PS5 games
First details coming out of today’s PlayStation 5 event
blog.playstation.com
I honestly don't know what's going on.
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saintjules
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Faithless83
Banned
01011001
Banned
Worldwide Studios: First look at 9 new PS5 games
First details coming out of today’s PlayStation 5 event
so it was an official statement and not someone misquoting... well that's a bit shitty of them to lie that way but in terms of the game's presentation it won't change much I bet. it would have been Gi and AO maybe shadow casting at most anyways and we have good enough rasterized options for that. especially since the game has no dynamic day/night cycle, you can bake in a lot of the lighting thanks to that alone.
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lepermessiah
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It's hilarious how some peeps just ignore features that standard RDNA 2 doesn't have, like cache scrubbers, eliminating stalls and refetching is a massive deal, taking into account how the frequency makes them faster as well.
Lethal01
Member
What do issues between Sony and Nintendo have to do with them integrated fast I/O?
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
@2:44
"There are two modes, one which is called the cinematic mode and that's native 4K at 30 FPS, and that allows us to really go to town, I mean really go to town visually, it means we can up the resolution of every single tiny pebble in the game and tessellation is incredible and it's all real time lit and it's all real time shadows and it's so immersive."
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Lethal01
Member
Tons of people play from a foot or two away.
MasterCornholio
Member
To sum up the interview they did have Raytracing at some point but they axed it in favor of other visual effects. Sounds like it's just part of the development process but I do agree that they announced it too early.
lepermessiah
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Three Jackdaws
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I still believe the cinematic/30 FPS mode will incorporate ray tracing, it's consistent with what Sony themselves have said as well as comments from the developers.That's unless we get some reliable or official confirmation that it's not.
01011001
Banned
is there more reliable info than the info a developer gives? what?
I bet they are pushing other stuff in favor of the RT effects they took out. and the cinematic mode will simply lock the resolution to 4K while the framerate mode will not.
smallpotatosan
Member
oops, it’s gonna be bloodbath?
the game still looks phenomenal. I thought they said they will have RT shadows, which is less taxing. I guess it’s still too much.
the game still looks phenomenal. I thought they said they will have RT shadows, which is less taxing. I guess it’s still too much.
MasterCornholio
Member
They are pushing other visual effects at the Visuals mode. It simply isn't just the 60FPS mode at 4K and 30FPS.
Nowcry
Member
Are you sure it's not a click bait FUD?
I mean they have been mentioning RT for a long time, we have shadows and dynamic lighting in the video. And the 30 fps mode wouldn't make sense.
And actually levelup is not a famous gaming magazine, in fact it is quite unknown, Sony would not have arranged an interview with such a small medium that on the other hand they have released the news at 00:00. There are 5 famous magazines in Spain and it is none of those.
I would wait to see if an official statement is made on the matter because this seems to me like another click bait attack, the interview has not been fully transcribed. maybe he said that in 60 fps mode we won't be able to find RT.
I mean they have been mentioning RT for a long time, we have shadows and dynamic lighting in the video. And the 30 fps mode wouldn't make sense.
And actually levelup is not a famous gaming magazine, in fact it is quite unknown, Sony would not have arranged an interview with such a small medium that on the other hand they have released the news at 00:00. There are 5 famous magazines in Spain and it is none of those.
I would wait to see if an official statement is made on the matter because this seems to me like another click bait attack, the interview has not been fully transcribed. maybe he said that in 60 fps mode we won't be able to find RT.
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Lethal01
Member
No, realtime lighting and shadow just means the lighting is done in realtime.
It's nothing that you haven't had since ps1. What they want to convey is that it's better now.
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Three Jackdaws
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I'm skeptical of the reports, just very very recently they said they will incorporate dynamic lighting and shadows into the cinematic mode, although that doesn't equate to ray tracing but then that makes me curious how they achieved it? I guess it's true that with the larger frame time budget they chose to push other stuff like tessellation, higher resolution textures and enhanced particle effects. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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01011001
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well dynamic lights and shadows are in basically every modern AAA game.
raytracing is absolutely not necessary for that, raytracing just makes them look more realistic.
Thedtrain
Member
Thought that wasn’t happening until next week?They are in the wild in other places as well
kyliethicc
Member
lol this game is cursed by GRRM. Its never coming out, same as Winds of Winter.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
You had to remind me, I'm just going to pretend that last season didn't happen. :/
Nowcry
Member
I think I have not seen a AAA game with more realistic lighting. Except maybe the unreal engine 5 demo.
Faithless83
Banned
- Demon's Souls looks like shit because it has no RT!
- Wasn't this game the one everyone was saying it looked amazing?
- It looks like shit, look at this shit!
- But people are saying what was shown so far was performance mode! It will look even better in cine...
- Wasn't this game the one everyone was saying it looked amazing?
- It looks like shit, look at this shit!
- But people are saying what was shown so far was performance mode! It will look even better in cine...
kyliethicc
Member
Guys real time lighting is not RT necessarily. Its just dynamic and interactive.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
I know...I keep hoping GRRM will finish the series the way he says he's doing and give it the REAL ending...but yeah....that dude is never finishing the series. I'll be surprised if he ever releases another book in the series even. I think he lost the threads of the story and his mojo and had no idea how to pull it all together for an ending. Just my opinion. He kept expanding the story and expanding the story....I think he went too far.
kyliethicc
Member
Bruh I've love hated the show since Season 2. Fuck that show lol, even tho it has its moments and had potential.
As a long term reader of ASOIAF, I have come to terms that Winds is vaporware.
Lets hope I'm wrong about both Elden Ring & Winds.
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Anchovie123
Member
So the best looking next gen game doesnt use RT?
I hope so, I wouldn't even be questioning it if it wasn't for that damn *Digital Deluxe Exclusive thing
From what i understood those deluxe itens weren`t on the original souls game.... but what that means? Demon Souls noob here, doest it really matter which version to get?
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kyliethicc
Member
Yup. He is too rich now, and afraid of ruining his series. He'll never put out Winds unless its good enough, but he's fucked. He clearly has no idea how to finish the story. Its been 10 years to write 1 book lol, clearly he has no fucking idea how to connect the (numerous) threads / storylines.
Nowcry
Member
We have several interviews in Spain and this is not mentioned in any other medium. Interviews today or yesterday.
For me for now I think it could be a bit strange FUD.
as.com
Very strange the only medium that has told him and even more strange the time and the magazine where it has appeared.
For me for now I think it could be a bit strange FUD.
Así se ha creado Demon’s Souls: conociendo el primer gran exclusivo de PS5
Entrevistamos a Gavin Moore, director creativo del título en SIE Studios, encargado de coordinar tanto al equipo japonés como a Bluepoint Games.
as.com
Very strange the only medium that has told him and even more strange the time and the magazine where it has appeared.
Rea
Member
So, it means ray traced GI and ray traced shadows??
Rea
Member
Not really, most games are baked in shadows and fixed lighting.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Exactly. He expanded too much. This last book when he introduced that kid who now supposedly is a true heir...I was like WTF??? Oh he's lost it now! Yeah, he doesn't know how to end his story. Which is a shame because the abortion of the last few episodes of the TV series will mark the defining version of his saga. Too bad. But also...entirely his own fault.
smallpotatosan
Member
Craig uses dynamic lighting and shadows. Oh boi, should I be worried? I don’t want to see Craig in cinematic mode
I don’t want to see Craig in cinematic mode
Rea
Member
How do you know? Demon souls could be using RT in 30fps mode. It's understandable no RT in 60fps coz it's taxing.
Sinthor
Gold Member
So I got most of my PS5 accessories in today including the Pulse 3D headset so I wanted to give a mini-review. Just initial impressions from using them for a few hours tonight:
First, I hadn't realized they weren't bluetooth but had a dedicated USB transmitter that you will plug into your PS5. I tested the headphones with my Mac which seamlessly recognized and started sending audio to the headset.
For the headsets themselves, the construction felt surprisingly sturdy to me, especially for also how light they feel. The headset feels like it's good quality...at least comparable to my other $300+ wireless headset that I have, but it sits very lightly on my head. Feels very comfortable and the ear cups are very nice and soft. I wore them for over an hour straight and didn't have any 'ear fatigue.' I am someone who is a bit sensitive to ear fatigue and has to take breaks from many headsets after a while as they start to pinch my head or ears. These didn't do that after over an hour of continuous wear. So a plus in my book.
Sound quality of the headsets seems really nice. I think they could use a bit more bass and maybe a bit more volume ability as well. I like my audio pretty damn loud. Again, this is comparing them to my $300 wireless headset which I think has absolutely PHENOMENAL bass and good volume. But the Pulse 3D definitely HAVE bass and their mid and high range sounds good and distinct even when the bass is pumping, so that's good too. Overall I'd say they sound a bit better than I had expected them to for their price point. They're quite good!
The one thing I can't test that I'm concerned about is the wireless range and quality. I had a turtle beach pair of wireless headphones for my PS4 that used a USB transmitter like this and even with my entertainment center and TV about 8 feet away, they used to lose connectivity regularly enough to be an annoyance and sometimes would develop a high pitched squeal and echo that could only be resolved by restarting the PS4. It was enough of a pain in the ass that I trashed them and they cost me about $200. Just weren't worth it. So I'm very hopeful that these headsets don't have the same issues on the PS5. If it does...I'll trash them too and I will be telling EVERYONE including SONY all about it!
So overall, I think these headsets are a pleasant surprise for their price point. Very good sound by any measure although serious audiophiles will have gripes. Good bass levels with clear mid and high range although I DO wish they put out just a touch more volume...it's certainly adequate and will fill your head with sound. Ergonomics are very nice and comfortable with a lightness that should help gamers putting in multiple hour gaming sessions. The headsets feel like a quality built item so I think they will hold up to extended use pretty well.
I recommend these headsets to anyone looking for a good wireless option for their PS5. And you can still use them on your computer if you want to.
First, I hadn't realized they weren't bluetooth but had a dedicated USB transmitter that you will plug into your PS5. I tested the headphones with my Mac which seamlessly recognized and started sending audio to the headset.
For the headsets themselves, the construction felt surprisingly sturdy to me, especially for also how light they feel. The headset feels like it's good quality...at least comparable to my other $300+ wireless headset that I have, but it sits very lightly on my head. Feels very comfortable and the ear cups are very nice and soft. I wore them for over an hour straight and didn't have any 'ear fatigue.' I am someone who is a bit sensitive to ear fatigue and has to take breaks from many headsets after a while as they start to pinch my head or ears. These didn't do that after over an hour of continuous wear. So a plus in my book.
Sound quality of the headsets seems really nice. I think they could use a bit more bass and maybe a bit more volume ability as well. I like my audio pretty damn loud. Again, this is comparing them to my $300 wireless headset which I think has absolutely PHENOMENAL bass and good volume. But the Pulse 3D definitely HAVE bass and their mid and high range sounds good and distinct even when the bass is pumping, so that's good too. Overall I'd say they sound a bit better than I had expected them to for their price point. They're quite good!
The one thing I can't test that I'm concerned about is the wireless range and quality. I had a turtle beach pair of wireless headphones for my PS4 that used a USB transmitter like this and even with my entertainment center and TV about 8 feet away, they used to lose connectivity regularly enough to be an annoyance and sometimes would develop a high pitched squeal and echo that could only be resolved by restarting the PS4. It was enough of a pain in the ass that I trashed them and they cost me about $200. Just weren't worth it. So I'm very hopeful that these headsets don't have the same issues on the PS5. If it does...I'll trash them too and I will be telling EVERYONE including SONY all about it!
So overall, I think these headsets are a pleasant surprise for their price point. Very good sound by any measure although serious audiophiles will have gripes. Good bass levels with clear mid and high range although I DO wish they put out just a touch more volume...it's certainly adequate and will fill your head with sound. Ergonomics are very nice and comfortable with a lightness that should help gamers putting in multiple hour gaming sessions. The headsets feel like a quality built item so I think they will hold up to extended use pretty well.
I recommend these headsets to anyone looking for a good wireless option for their PS5. And you can still use them on your computer if you want to.
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Xander3116
Member
Am i the only one who doesn't care about ray tracing and native 4k and all that crap, just give me a good game that plays well and i'll be happy.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I care to a point...like where it can make the games better...if it does. But yeah...for the most part. GOOD game that plays smoothly and yeah...with next gen hardware we're gonna get a LOT of visual upgrades. If this game or that game has or doesn't have a specific feature here and there...IDGAF.
kyliethicc
Member
So I got most of my PS5 accessories in today including the Pulse 3D headset so I wanted to give a mini-review. Just initial impressions from using them for a few hours tonight:
First, I hadn't realized they weren't bluetooth but had a dedicated USB transmitter that you will plug into your PS5. I tested the headphones with my Mac which seamlessly recognized and started sending audio to the headset.
For the headsets themselves, the construction felt surprisingly sturdy to me, especially for also how light they feel. The headset feels like it's good quality...at least comparable to my other $300+ wireless headset that I have, but it sits very lightly on my head. Feels very comfortable and the ear cups are very nice and soft. I wore them for over an hour straight and didn't have any 'ear fatigue.' I am someone who is a bit sensitive to ear fatigue and has to take breaks from many headsets after a while as they start to pinch my head or ears. These didn't do that after over an hour of continuous wear. So a plus in my book.
Sound quality of the headsets seems really nice. I think they could use a bit more bass and maybe a bit more volume ability as well. I like my audio pretty damn loud. Again, this is comparing them to my $300 wireless headset which I think has absolutely PHENOMENAL bass and good volume. But the Pulse 3D definitely HAVE bass and their mid and high range sounds good and distinct even when the bass is pumping, so that's good too. Overall I'd say they sound a bit better than I had expected them to for their price point. They're quite good!
The one thing I can't test that I'm concerned about is the wireless range and quality. I had a turtle beach pair of wireless headphones for my PS4 that used a USB transmitter like this and even with my entertainment center and TV about 8 feet away, they used to lose connectivity regularly enough to be an annoyance and sometimes would develop a high pitched squeal and echo that could only be resolved by restarting the PS4. It was enough of a pain in the ass that I trashed them and they cost me about $200. Just weren't worth it. So I'm very hopeful that these headsets don't have the same issues on the PS5. If it does...I'll trash them too and I will be telling EVERYONE including SONY all about it!
So overall, I think these headsets are a pleasant surprise for their price point. Very good sound by any measure although serious audiophiles will have gripes. Good bass levels with clear mid and high range although I DO wish they put out just a touch more volume...it's certainly adequate and will fill your head with sound. Ergonomics are very nice and comfortable with a lightness that should help gamers putting in multiple hour gaming sessions. The headsets feel like a quality built item so I think they will hold up to extended use pretty well.
I recommend these headsets to anyone looking for a good wireless option for their PS5. And you can still use them on your computer if you want to.
Agreed, I have them too and love it as a gaming headset for just $100. I actually find them to be very loud when at high volume though, but thats just my ears sensitivity I guess.
Definitely recommend them to any PS4/5 owner.
Faithless83
Banned
So I got most of my PS5 accessories in today including the Pulse 3D headset so I wanted to give a mini-review. Just initial impressions from using them for a few hours tonight:
First, I hadn't realized they weren't bluetooth but had a dedicated USB transmitter that you will plug into your PS5. I tested the headphones with my Mac which seamlessly recognized and started sending audio to the headset.
For the headsets themselves, the construction felt surprisingly sturdy to me, especially for also how light they feel. The headset feels like it's good quality...at least comparable to my other $300+ wireless headset that I have, but it sits very lightly on my head. Feels very comfortable and the ear cups are very nice and soft. I wore them for over an hour straight and didn't have any 'ear fatigue.' I am someone who is a bit sensitive to ear fatigue and has to take breaks from many headsets after a while as they start to pinch my head or ears. These didn't do that after over an hour of continuous wear. So a plus in my book.
Sound quality of the headsets seems really nice. I think they could use a bit more bass and maybe a bit more volume ability as well. I like my audio pretty damn loud. Again, this is comparing them to my $300 wireless headset which I think has absolutely PHENOMENAL bass and good volume. But the Pulse 3D definitely HAVE bass and their mid and high range sounds good and distinct even when the bass is pumping, so that's good too. Overall I'd say they sound a bit better than I had expected them to for their price point. They're quite good!
The one thing I can't test that I'm concerned about is the wireless range and quality. I had a turtle beach pair of wireless headphones for my PS4 that used a USB transmitter like this and even with my entertainment center and TV about 8 feet away, they used to lose connectivity regularly enough to be an annoyance and sometimes would develop a high pitched squeal and echo that could only be resolved by restarting the PS4. It was enough of a pain in the ass that I trashed them and they cost me about $200. Just weren't worth it. So I'm very hopeful that these headsets don't have the same issues on the PS5. If it does...I'll trash them too and I will be telling EVERYONE including SONY all about it!
So overall, I think these headsets are a pleasant surprise for their price point. Very good sound by any measure although serious audiophiles will have gripes. Good bass levels with clear mid and high range although I DO wish they put out just a touch more volume...it's certainly adequate and will fill your head with sound. Ergonomics are very nice and comfortable with a lightness that should help gamers putting in multiple hour gaming sessions. The headsets feel like a quality built item so I think they will hold up to extended use pretty well.
I recommend these headsets to anyone looking for a good wireless option for their PS5. And you can still use them on your computer if you want to.
Could you please compare the build quality to the Gold PS4 ones? I heard that they tend to break overtime.
Is there like anything metal on the structure or is ti just plastic?
I'm on the fence on the Pulse 3d, but thanks for the detailed review!
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Alex Scott
Member
I don't think so and i believe there is more to every new character in book five than it meets the eyes. Even the kid.
I in no way support the delay of WoW. Hell it took GRRM less time to create the first three books than the last two.
Also Congratulations.
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kyliethicc
Member
I love A Dance With Dragons, great book. But Winds taking 10 years is fucking dumb. Bad George.I don't think so and i believe there is more to every new character in book five than it meets the eyes. Even the kid.
I in no way support the delay of WoW. Hell it took GRRM less time to create the first three books than the last two.
Also Congratulations.
Rea
Member
It's beyond possible and there are countless games using fixed and baked lighting, but i don't wanna argue anymore, So, whatever you say.
Dodkrake
Banned
While I'm not spanish, my spanish chops are ok. Happy to translate what the interviews say, with proper context. First, the one that says Demon Souls has no Ray Tracing
levelup.com
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This does lead to believe that there is no Ray Tracing on the game, contradicting previous statements and Sony themselves.Now, the interesting bit as that another "interview" from the day before completely contradicts this.
as.com
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This one shows that there is Ray Traced global illumination, from my understanding of what he said.
Confirman que Demon’s Souls no tendrá raytracing en PlayStation 5 | LevelUp
LEVEL UP platicó con Gavin Moore, director creativo del juego y miembro de SIE Japan Studio
levelup.com
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This does lead to believe that there is no Ray Tracing on the game, contradicting previous statements and Sony themselves.Now, the interesting bit as that another "interview" from the day before completely contradicts this.
Así se ha creado Demon’s Souls: conociendo el primer gran exclusivo de PS5
Entrevistamos a Gavin Moore, director creativo del título en SIE Studios, encargado de coordinar tanto al equipo japonés como a Bluepoint Games.
as.com
Original
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This one shows that there is Ray Traced global illumination, from my understanding of what he said.
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Sinthor
Gold Member
Yeah...been around a lot of gunfire. My hearing tests out fine but ever since I tend to play my music at levels most people kind of look at me strangely for.
Sinthor
Gold Member
I did have a pair of the Sony Gold headsets for a while. The Gold are heavier and I think the Pulse 3D sounds better and clearer. My Gold's had the headphone jack part come loose after about a year and a half. But I know people who have had a pair of Golds for 3 years and they're just fine. I think as with anything, it depends on how you take care of them and treat them. Plus...any mass produced product you're going to find a lemon here and there.
I think the Pulse 3D are a good replacement for the Gold. I liked my Gold, but again I think these sound better and the lightness of the Pulse 3D and the comfort level are higher than the Gold headset as well, in my opinion.
Hope that helps!
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