Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Dirt devs say microsoft tools are fine.
How long will you have to cling to the "tools" raft for you to accept Microsoft, once again, have released weaker hardware than the competition.
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DF - Assassin's Creed Valhalla: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S Next-Gen Comparison!
Dirt devs say microsoft tools are fine.
How long will you have to cling to the "tools" raft for you to accept Microsoft, once again, have released weaker hardware than the competition.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Well it's very misleading then, has he not edited his article? That bit should be changed as it's flat out wrong.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i checked a few minutes ago. he hasnt. i tweeted him to point that out. lets see what he says. maybe if more people tweet him, he will actually change it.
TJC
Member
Until MS announce a Xbox ,series T for Teraflop. Wouldn't surprise me if MS had a new Xbox out with increased specs before any decent exclusive is even out for the series X. I mean look at Xbox ONE X... Jeez
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
is this satire?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
A technical director working on both dev kits, on camera, saying the Xbox software is NOT behind comparative to PS5, is 100% legit compared to a Twitter PM message from a gaming journo citing 'sources'. And I like John Linneman.
It seems DF asked devs and they said GDK is behind and misconstrued that to mean 'behind compared to PS5' when in fact both are behind as these are new consoles with new software.
The other astounding thing about all that is GDK being based on DX12 which has been bedded in to devs for years now, MS being a software company, and PS5's SDK having no equivalence on PC. It doesn't wash.
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oldergamer
Member
It doesnt use rdna1 cu's. All the cu' are the same and are rdna2.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
15% isnt bad. but is 30% bad?
DF's math is wrong. 'at it's worst' which is what they said in the article, it's 30% worse AND has a lot of tearing.
60/46=1.30x or 30%.
BlitzerRadic
Member
Team blue dunking on team green left and right.
Usual suspects for team green nowhere to be seen... prolly on suicide watch LOL
Usual suspects for team green nowhere to be seen... prolly on suicide watch LOL
VFXVeteran
Banned
I just watched this video and I must say that MS needs to get their act together. I didn't think a 2 TFLOP advantage would be much of a difference in a real world scenario but it should at least perform on par with the PS5. This just shouts to me that MS still has a lot to sort out with their API. That's most definitely the reason we haven't seen much from the Xbox developer camp.
Congrats PS5 owners on a solid system!
Congrats PS5 owners on a solid system!
MasterCornholio
Member
15% isnt bad. but is 30% bad?
DF's math is wrong. 'at it's worst' which is what they said in the article, it's 30% worse AND has a lot of tearing.
60/46=1.30x or 30%.
Just a quick question.
How much of a performance hit is V-sync?
Andodalf
Banned
15% isnt bad. but is 30% bad?
DF's math is wrong. 'at it's worst' which is what they said in the article, it's 30% worse AND has a lot of tearing.
60/46=1.30x or 30%.
He said in a tweet he messed up and mean average difference was 15%, not the worst difference but also that it’s also obviously not a prefect metric due to v sync
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
im gonna run some tests on my pc but i dont have ac valhalla, but i will try mafia which only runs at 45 fps on my rtx 2080.
see my post on the last page, that section lasts 20 seconds and you can literally see the xsx version hover around 47-48 fps with a drop to 46 while the ps5 is a lock 60 fps with just one drop to 58 in the entire 20 second video. Alex is making no sense here.
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YOU PC BRO?!
Member
The stuttering I’m referring to is a bug related to the camera and appears to only affect cutscenes which appear to run at a locked 60fps. Tearing itself is a symptom of performance dropping under the targer frame rate, the PS5 also tears but not as much as the general perf is slightly higher. My point was that the instance of particularly bad performance you are highlighting (equipping torch) appears to be a software issue given the dramatic loss of frames (roughly 14fps).
ColonialRaptor
Member
TF is not the right indicator of performance. Look at the 3080 vs 6800xt.
29tf vs 21tf. If you go by that the 3080 is almost 30% more powerful but they’re going blow for blow in some cases (discounting RT performance).
This thread is interesting and more and more I feel like if I want into the game pass ecosystem I’m probably going to be going PC. That said I still think there’s something iffy going on here I believe Ubisoft can probably patch fix a few of these issues.
Despite not really caring who ‘wins’ myself it is very interesting to not see certain outspoken people on gaf completely avoiding this thread. These threads are certainly entertaining.
The issue here is Microsoft’s marketing claims. Boy do they have egg on their faces for those Twitter posts.
29tf vs 21tf. If you go by that the 3080 is almost 30% more powerful but they’re going blow for blow in some cases (discounting RT performance).
This thread is interesting and more and more I feel like if I want into the game pass ecosystem I’m probably going to be going PC. That said I still think there’s something iffy going on here I believe Ubisoft can probably patch fix a few of these issues.
Despite not really caring who ‘wins’ myself it is very interesting to not see certain outspoken people on gaf completely avoiding this thread. These threads are certainly entertaining.
The issue here is Microsoft’s marketing claims. Boy do they have egg on their faces for those Twitter posts.
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Great Hair
Banned
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nah, the torch is actually indicative of a gpu performance issue. the torch effects the lighting, shadows and pretty much everything else which impacts the gpu more than anything else. its not a cpu issue or a software bug. its a straight up gpu power issue.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
That must be it. It’s not at all possible a 14fps frame drop may be a result of some inefficiency or performance impacting bug. I’m glad you cleared that up.
MasterCornholio
Member
Something that SmartShift can help with?
Or am I thinking of the wrong type of power?
xacto
Member
This is all you guys do.... Bookmark threads; aren't you bored already? While everyone's playing games, you waste time looking at threads back in time just to stroke your hurt ego? I guess whatever keeps you afloat...
benjohn
Member
More like:Phil Spencer: You don't like screen tearing? We have VRR TVs for that.
Sony: You don't like tearing on your Xbox we have a product for you
Sony Cx 48"
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More like:
Sony: You don't like tearing on your Xbox we have a product for you
Sony Cx 48"
4K under 60 inches is hilarious, almost like stealing money, unless you're going to strain the fuck out of your eyes and use it as a monitor.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Hawking Radiation
Member
This is the only right answer. 10 points for you.
All you other cockwombles need to get yourselves checked.
Hawking Radiation
Member
PS5 delivering that multiplat spanking to Series X.
PS5: "RDNA2?, RDNA2?. What you say? Did you say RDNA2?"
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kuncol02
Banned
MS is totally changing how games for XBox are written. Purpose of that is to allow developers to write game once for xbox and PC. Before that you had to use XDK for XBox and DirectX SDK for Windows.
No. No mater what you render when you have torch equiped game stutter like crazy. You could be in small cave or room without windows looking into wall and it's still around ~45fps (Tested that today). When you drop that torch frames go back to normal. Other light sources like flames don't have that effect. In 40h of playing I had stuttering only in some cut scenes and when there is any character with torch and that torch is used as lightsource (inside or in night). There are lots of way more complicated scenes (night battles etc) which run on much higher frame rate.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Crow stocks are running low.
New shipment is due in the next few days. Guys here are pre-ordering like crazy.
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itsjustJEFF
Member
That sucks man, but I'm amazed you were able to pick up both a XSX and PS5, some people have all the luck LOL
Hopefully Ubisoft can patch it to improve performance, the game seems to have sold really well so it should be worth to them. People laugh, maybe there is something to those tools rumors. How hard is it really to utilize all 52 CUs? If they don't have the right tools for it I'd imagine some CU's aren't even being used? That's my guess and it's a complete guess cause I'm not a hardware engineer.
Truespeed
Member
Reasonable XSX upgrade. Only 13 monthly payments of $1000.
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Fake
Member
Can't wait for /build
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Truespeed
Member
ethomaz
Banned
5-8%? Today it is not that the expensive to the hardware like old days.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Loading times are not the point of the throughput of the SSD, otherwise they would have stuck a SATA III disk in there and called it a day, I don't even think Cerny mentioned it... not as the main benefit anyway, the SSD is about asset streaming, it's controller it about streaming immense amount of assets in real time to the memory sub-system, without hitting the CPU in any significant manner.
Opening a game is probably 75% CPU (initializing different aspects of the engine, displaying logos, etc.) I don't think it's extremely data intensive (this is why opening games with a regular SSD vs an nvme disk on PC is almost the same thing, it's very CPU intensive).
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
itsjustJEFF
Member
I watched this fight, Grigorian turned his back while the round was still going. Groenhart was not out of line for blasting him IN THE FACE!
John Wick
Member
Can anyone explain how a cockwomble like Tom Warren got a job? He's thick as fuck. He thinks because of variable clocks the PS5 will have performance around 9TFI think what Albert meant was this; but also not this..
. Even though it's been explained over and over.
sendit
Member
Regardless of tooling. Logically this shouldn't be happening (for any comparison).
The PS5 is a 10 TF machine with a 3.5 ghz CPU
The XBSX is a 12 TF machine with a 3.8 ghz CPU
They're directly comparable as they're both RDNA2+Zen2 based. Scratching my head right now. It doesn't matter how minimal the difference is based on specs. The XSX should technically be offering better performance here.
The PS5 is a 10 TF machine with a 3.5 ghz CPU
The XBSX is a 12 TF machine with a 3.8 ghz CPU
They're directly comparable as they're both RDNA2+Zen2 based. Scratching my head right now. It doesn't matter how minimal the difference is based on specs. The XSX should technically be offering better performance here.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
They are fully fed 9TF.Can anyone explain how a cockwomble like Tom Warren got a job? He's thick as fuck. He thinks because of variable clocks the PS5 will have performance around 9TF
ethomaz
Banned
sendit
Member
Yep. However, it's still clocked faster (with or without SMT).
I can only think of two things here:
Tooling:
If it does come down to immature Microsoft tooling, then they royally fucked up. (Given how much better their BC support is, I would like to think this isn't the case)
TDP:
The SOC is being thermal throttled.
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alabtrosMyster
Banned
You clearly did not watch Cerny's sermon back in February.
- The PS5 has a lot of custom hardware
- PS5 has higher fill rate and a few other less popular specs that offer benefits (keep the GPU busy doing actual calculations instead of waiting for some requests to be sent to it.
Also it came out recently that the CPU/GPU has unified cache, that the xbox systems are unlikely to have, which means cache coherency hits occur much less often (it's a big deal in many situations).
On the bright side the xbox has gamepass--assuming you like shovelware.
ethomaz
Banned
100Mhz but the Xbox OS have way more overhead with the hypervisor than PS5.
Same happened with PS4 vs XB1... XB1 had a CPU clocked higher but PS4 have more CPU for game because it doesn't have hypervisors working in background.
Plus PS5 CPU is not used for a lot of render tasks because it is offload to other co-processors.
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sendit
Member
I've watched the video plenty of times. This doesn't apply here. This is Assassin's Creed we are talking about (a last gen game). Not something that would take advantage of Playstation 5's custom solution.
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