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[onnextflix5]

Another embarrassing defeat for xbx lol, whats the point of buying this again, plz dont talk about 60fps being a little better, its the 120fps that matters anyway as that is the mode that pushing the hardware. Xbox falls short again lol.

 

[01011001]

no matter the mode, the Series X is the better version. VRR is a must in the 120hz mode, and it's not there yet on PS5. once that is implemented that mode favors the PS5

Damn, another win for PS5. Based Cerny.

low quality bait

 

[Leyasu]

Funny how Tom from DF says no clear reason why PS5 takes the lead in 120fps mode but isn't any confusion when series x does in another.

Because teraflops are everything right... so much makes up power and performance.

How many times, the caches ,unified? , the clock speed meaning faster caches, caches scrubbers meaning less cache misses and not hurting performance by flushing etc, etc. Theres clearly some customisations in ps5. Lets have someone find out exactly why instead of hearing well its better again and no reason why.

Everyone keeps going about Microsoft PR, yet loads of people spout Sony speak like it is gospel. It must be all the likes to their posts that obscures them from how hypocritical they sound.

We are two weeks into a new gen with a few rushed cross gen games to compare. I have said it before and I will say it again, everyone needs to hold off on their declarations until the cross gen/launch window games are out of the picture and the real built from the ground up games arrive. The next battlefield would probably be good place to start.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

More compute units means Series X is able to have more stable framerates in RT mode when things get heavy. Than again, I guess some people are saying they don't have those drops found in Digital Foundry's video on PS5. Even if the PS5 doesn't get a patch for that, it still holds up the vast majority of the time. A few handful of blips doesn't mean much to me. I feel the same way about Series X in 120 mode.


Moral of the story, nobody is happy. Play on PC.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Downgraded gun smoke on XSX timestamped. Watch in slo mo.



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RT Mode XSX no gun smoke timestamped




RT Mode PS5 same gun





Much more side by side examples on VG Tech vids.

Maybe NXGamer will be doing an analysis soon and can see whats happening here with these visual differences.

 

[Leyasu]

Another embarrassing defeat for xbx lol, whats the point of buying this again, plz dont talk about 60fps being a little better, its the 120fps that matters anyway as that is the mode that pushing the hardware. Xbox falls short again lol.

Another embarrassing post in an embarrassing thread..

 

[Jigsaah]

Doesn’t Popeye go on to win tho?

Think Popeye dies in this episode.

Kidding.

 

[Mr Moose]

Slight lead in 120Hz mode on PS5 "but VRR! So it's a win for Series X!", Jesus.

 

[fermcr]

Who the hell wants to play games anymore?... it's more fun to compare games on several systems.

 

[azertydu91]

Yeah I would totally get that in a single player only game. In cod which is very much multiplayer first it's foolish to play with it unless you're trying to immerse yourself in losing.

I'm not really versed in multiplayer games, so that's not a problem,some of my friends are quite into MP some play with adaptive triggers and some don't but they are at the same level that they use to be.
But their points sums up basically with this:
Pro- can feel the shooting point on the trigger and thus feel like they can shoot more precisely
Con- slow down trigger course and feel that they are slower.

So I guess it is more about personal preference.

Even though I feel it can be an advantage when your gun is jammed like in deathloop but is a exceptionnal situation.

 

[SlimySnake]

Hopefully this convinces everyone that series s doesnt scale down like MS said it would. Just cut resolution to half, keep the same settings and boom! Nope.

And this is a cross gen game, its going to get far far more tricky to port games that tackle 1440p as the base resolution just like the UE5 demo.

For those keeping count:

• CoD - No 120 fps mode. No RT. Lower level of detail
• Valhalla - No 60 fps mode. Lower level of detail.
• DMCV - No RT.
• Dirt V - Lower level of detail. 576p 120 fps mode.
• Watch Dogs - 900p with lower level of detail. Only game with ray tracing so far.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Proper analysis from VGTech with numbers so we don't have to rely on unusual drops and screenshots and....PS5 is identical to Series X in 60fps but slightly ahead in 120fps

Riky condolences, take another L

 

[Humdinger]

Interesting. Well, anyone expecting that XSX would show that 18% TF difference has got to be disappointed. This one sounds like a draw, and the last 3 have gone in favor of the PS5. Even a draw is a win for Sony, since we spent the least year listening to MS and Xbox fans tell us how big the powah differential would be. It's so small, even the microscopes at DF can't find it.

 

[Riky]

Everyone keeps going about Microsoft PR, yet loads of people spout Sony speak like it is gospel. It must be all the likes to their posts that obscures them from how hypocritical they sound.

We are two weeks into a new gen with a few rushed cross gen games to compare. I have said it before and I will say it again, everyone needs to hold off on their declarations until the cross gen/launch window games are out of the picture and the real built from the ground up games arrive. The next battlefield would probably be good place to start.

Spot on.

These are all really last Gen games with increased frame rates , resolution added on with the extra power.

When we see games built from the ground up for next gen consoles with no X1 and PS4 versions we'll find out a lot more.

 

[bxrz]

So one console is better in one mode and the other console is better in the other mode.

So its basically the same

Why does this thread have 9 pages lol?

 

[M1chl]

Interesting. Well, anyone expecting that XSX would show that 18% TF difference has got to be disappointed. This one sounds like a draw, and the last 3 have gone in favor of the PS5. Even a draw is a win for Sony, since we spent the least year listening to MS and Xbox fans tell us how big the powah differential would be. It's so small, even the microscopes at DF can't find it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's literally the only version that I would say looks bad. Definitely not a lower resolution XSX version.

However if someone doesn't mind the hit to visuals the XSS might be a good choice for them. But I would recommend that they look at the PS5 DE since it's a pretty good value at a 100$ more.

 

[01011001]

Slight lead in 120Hz mode on PS5 "but VRR! So it's a win for Series X!", Jesus.

that 120hz mode is running between 100 and 120 fps and if it goes below 120 it tears, so yes... if you wanna play that the PS5 version is worse... no VRR = noticeable stutter + tearing

on a VRR screen (and if your screen supports 120hz chances are it has VRR/Freesync) the drops in framerate will be less noticeable and the tearing is eliminated

 

[Patrick S.]

I don't get this forum.

Last week I got banned for flaming wars by saying Sony fanboys need to stop slating the xbox console and just enjoy playing their great console and controller.

Yet people get away with throwing questionable memes and pictures around that are just their to fan the flames.

It's cause you're black!

Spoiler

pls no ban, I good boy

 

[M_A_C]

Seconds on a frame graph that. How do they do over a full testing cycle?

PS5 performs better overall with the biggest margin being to PS5 in the 120 fps mode

I’m late but is that from this video:

DF again not doing their job completely.

 

[Leyasu]

Spot on.

These are all really last Gen games with increased frame rates , resolution added on with the extra power.

When we see games built from the ground up for next gen consoles with no X1 and PS4 versions we'll find out a lot more.

Exactly. What we are seeing now is not really worth talkin about

 

[Mr Moose]

that 120hz mode is running between 100 and 120 fps and if it goes below 120 it tears, so yes... if you wanna play that the PS5 version is worse... no VRR = noticeable stutter + tearing

on a VRR screen (and if your screen supports 120hz chances are it has VRR/Freesync) the drops in framerate will be less noticeable and the tearing is eliminated

So if PS5 was using VRR in the 60Hz mode that would win? No. It dips more on one than the other. It's not a win.

 

[Riky]

Proper analysis from VGTech with numbers so we don't have to rely on unusual drops and screenshots and....PS5 is identical to Series X in 60fps but slightly ahead in 120fps

Riky condolences, take another L

He's wrong.

Both 60fps games with RT compared the PS5 loses, it's only going to get harder as next gen gets more demanding. Stick around it'll be fun.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

This is a temporary problem.

Whats the problem? I dont see it

 

[onnextflix5]

So what happened to ps5 cant do 120. Hell it can do better the xsx lol

 

[Mr Moose]

He's wrong.

Both 60fps games with RT compared the PS5 loses, it's only going to get harder as next gen gets more demanding. Stick around it'll be fun.

Can't wait for the Series S to overtake the PS5.

 

[Hendrick's]

U play in cutscenes ?

He must have confused this for a Sony 1st party game.

 

[Whitecrow]

Smart Shift only goes 1 way. The CPU can give power to the GPU, but not the reverse. If the CPU is stressed the GPU can't help it out.

You got smartshift wrong. Power is not given by one to another.

PS5 have fixed power and variable clocks for both GPU and CPU.
Those will always report how busy they are and the system will decide who needs the higher clocks.
If the CPU have low usage, it will underclock and the GPU will max out. And viceversa.

There's no 'one way'.

 

[Riky]

Can't wait for the Series S to overtake the PS5.

Stick around for the Warzone comparison, one runs at 120fps one at 60.

 

[MasterCornholio]

He's wrong.

Both 60fps games with RT compared the PS5 loses, it's only going to get harder as next gen gets more demanding. Stick around it'll be fun.

I think you got mean confused with minimum. The mean is the average. What you are showing is the minimum values. VGs would be wrong with the minimum values but they can still be correct with the mean.

Edit: Riky you really should learn about statistics. It's pretty fun.

Edit 2:

D dark10x really cool comparison that you gave us. But could Digital Foundry give us some sweet bell curves? I'm pretty sure they would be a fantastic addition to your comparisons. And a great visual aid to boot.

 

[Mr Moose]

Stick around for the Warzone comparison, one runs at 120fps one at 60.

What about Dark Souls 3 comparison since we're talking about BC games.

 

[01011001]

So if PS5 was using VRR in the 60Hz mode that would win? No. It dips more on one than the other. It's not a win.

uhm, no because then both would have VRR... the is this argument supposed to be?
the thing is, in its current state both modes are better on Series X. that basically constant tearing in the 120fps mode is awful so no VRR makes this just way worse.
and the 60fps mode is basically locked on Series X as well, so a 60hz no VRR screen also has a better time here

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

He's wrong.
Both 60fps games with RT compared the PS5 loses, it's only going to get harder as next gen gets more demanding. Stick around it'll be fun.

It's 3-0 for the PS5 unfortunately for you. Please try to cope better

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Everyone keeps going about Microsoft PR, yet loads of people spout Sony speak like it is gospel. It must be all the likes to their posts that obscures them from how hypocritical they sound.

We are two weeks into a new gen with a few rushed cross gen games to compare. I have said it before and I will say it again, everyone needs to hold off on their declarations until the cross gen/launch window games are out of the picture and the real built from the ground up games arrive. The next battlefield would probably be good place to start.

I’m certain there are accounts that were created just to post Sony Cheerleading Stuff and rack up 12 reactions per post in the Spec thread.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Ps5 preform better in 120 fps mode, Series X preforms better in 4k Raytracing mode. How is this a win for ps5 according to fanboys?

Well the logic is that MS deemed the XsX all powerful. In reality both systems are rather close and this is the result (kinda similar to the ssd talk).

 

[Mr Moose]

uhm, no because then both would have VRR... the is this argument supposed to be?
the thing is, in its current state both versions are better on Series X. that basically constant tearing in the 120fps mode is awful so no VRR makes this just way worse.
and the 60fps mode is basically locked on Series X as well, so a 60hz no VRR screen also has a better time here

It's a stupid argument, it doesn't make it the better version when its dropping more frames. VRR to the rescue!

 

[nemiroff]

And what you see?

That those who choose the fanboy roller coaster ride should strap in and wear a helmet because the track has a lot of loose screws..

 

[Blue Spring]

low quality bait

low iq post

 

[BigLee74]

There is something wrong with the Satellite map in MP on the XSX with ray tracing enabled.

It'll randomly flick between bright and dark as you walk between the rocks. Very distracting. And there is no way it is a smooth 60fps.

Turning ray tracing off improves the framerate, and stops the flickering, but you do miss those snazzy dynamic shadows from that parachute blowing in the wind.

Given its one of only six 6v6 maps, its very disappointing.

Thoroughly unimpressed so far with this COD. The SP was fun whilst it lasted (cant complete due to last level crashing and resetting my machine), but overall there is a shocking lack of content.

 

[Riky]

It's 3-0 for the PS5 unfortunately for you. Please try to cope better

Now go and look at the RT mode comparison of DMC5.

Demanding next gen features hurt the PS5 and it's small GPU. Fact.

 

[01011001]

It's a stupid argument, it doesn't make it the better version when its dropping more frames. VRR to the rescue!

have you ever played on a screen with VRR/Freesync/G-Sync?
if you have you should know that YES it makes it better.

both versions run between 100 and 120 fps, if your system drops to, let's say 110fps on a non VRR screen, you will have very obvious stutter and in the case of this game tearing.

if your system drops to 100fps on a VRR screen, the drop will be way less noticeable and tearing is gone.

so dropping to 100fps using VRR feels not as bad as dropping to only 110fps using a non VRR setup (and again added tearing with every single drop is also gone with VRR)

so again, yes it is better on Series X should you have an HDMI2.1 screen with VRR support or an HDMI2.0 screen with freesync.

 

[Topher]

Spot on.

These are all really last Gen games with increased frame rates , resolution added on with the extra power.

When we see games built from the ground up for next gen consoles with no X1 and PS4 versions we'll find out a lot more.

There will be no game built from the ground up for Xbox Series X though. PC and Xbox Series S.....remember?

 

[Mr Moose]

have you ever played on a screen with VRR/Freesync/G-Sync?
if you have you should know that YES it makes it better.

both versions run between 100 and 120 fps, if your system drops to, let's say 110fps on a non VRR screen, you will have very obvious stutter and in the case of this game tearing.

if your system drops to 100fps on a VRR screen, the drop will be way less noticeable and tearing is gone.

so dropping to 100fps using VRR feels not as bad as dropping to only 110fps using a non VRR setup (and again added tearing with every single drop is also gone with VRR)

so again, yes it is better on Series X should you have an HDMI2.1 screen with VRR support or an HDMI2.0 screen with freesync.

It's "better" because of your screen and not because of the games framerate, I wouldn't call that a win.
Maybe that's just me though.

 

[01011001]

low iq post

I don't really care what fanboys say so.

 

[MrFunSocks]

You got smartshift wrong. Power is not given by one to another.

PS5 have fixed power and variable clocks for both GPU and CPU.
Those will always report how busy they are and the system will decide who needs the higher clocks.
If the CPU have low usage, it will underclock and the GPU will max out. And viceversa.

There's no 'one way'.

Thanks for the correction. I swear I had read that it was only a one way thing but must have been some bad information.

 

[Blue Spring]

I don't really care what fanboys say so.

Another low iq post.

 

[01011001]

It's "better" because of your screen and not because of the games framerate, I wouldn't call that a win.
Maybe that's just me though.

you could say that if it wasn't the case that the chances of you having a 120hz TV or monitor that doesn't support freesync or VRR are very low. if you get a screen like that VRR should be a feature to look out for.

I would not play either system's 120hz mode without VRR no matter how low it drops... it drops constantly and that means constant tearing

 

[gamer82]

god i wish i could get triggered about rt, fps etc i have never had any issue playing any games over the years.

as long as they are fun to play thats good enough for me and any improvements in graphics are welcomed but anything else i do not need to know . i cant exactly see fps unless there is a counter on screen to show it.

these console wars are quite laughable but when you have people like df etc going into such depth with games they are only fuelling the console war fires and people will gladly eat it up. content is king $$$$$$$$$

enjoy your games lifes to short .

 

[01011001]

Another low iq post.

what ever you say fanboy, I mean fanboys should be experts on low iq

 

[DonkeyKong]

He's wrong.

Both 60fps games with RT compared the PS5 loses, it's only going to get harder as next gen gets more demanding. Stick around it'll be fun.

Even with crap tools the X smashes the PS5 in RT mode