Jboemios
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I bet money that right now most of you are playing those "boring" 3rd Party games. You did play those fantastic First Parthy for the 1-2 weeks and go back to 3rd party
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IGN: Xbox Series X Is Great, But It Needs Games ASAP
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I bet money that right now most of you are playing those "boring" 3rd Party games. You did play those fantastic First Parthy for the 1-2 weeks and go back to 3rd party
tichamac
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And every single one of them could already be played on one of the 15 previous versions of the xbone.
Xbox Series X and S owners played nearly 3,600 unique games within 24 hours of launch
It was a new kind of console launchwww.gamesradar.com
"wasteland".
dorkimoe
Member
Yeah. It took way too many posts before this.
whats ps5 got
diffusionx
Gold Member
PS5 has games... you may not care about the ones they have, but they do have them.
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Vasto
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DaleinCalgary
Member
It's a full remake, and its fucking fantastic. The game was so good and so deep that the ps3 just couldnt do it justice, older souls games sometimes lacked the console power to make it play smooth and well and the ps5 version is 100% smooth and wonderful.
I'm 52 hours into the first playthrough. edit: and its the best looking game I've ever played.
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Shelookdlvl18
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How about instead of telling me what to, and what not to worry about...
You simply answer the question. I asked for mental gymnastics dammit, and your simple "Don't worry about it" misdirection doesn't cut it.
bitbydeath
Member
Shelookdlvl18
Banned
How am I suppose to take you serious dude?
You're all, "It's so good and so deep that the PS3 couldn't do it justice."
How would you know any of that to be true unless you've played it before on PS3.
You then immediately say "I'm 52 hours into the first playthrough"
You sure it's your first playthrough? Or is it your 100th, but just your first on PS5?
I do admire you for admitting what it is in your first sentence though.... Before all the bs hyperbole commenced.
Shelookdlvl18
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Crazy right? Some people don't prefer playing the same scripted single player missions over and over again. It boggles the mind how remakes and expansions don't hold some people's attention endlessly. If only they appreciated all the hype that went into portraying them as completely new whole games.
bitbydeath
Member
They say that but whenever a third party does it like Cyberpunk or GTA then everyone loves them.
supernova8
Banned
They have 23 studios.
They could have 50000 studios but if all their games are delayed to a year after launch, surely that's a bad thing.
Of course Gamepass is great value (especially for people who haven't played the majority of the titles available) but to suggest that it somehow doesn't matter that there are no new first party exclusives (at all) available at launch is just burying one's head in the sand.
DaleinCalgary
Member
The ps3 didnt have the power for the game to play smooth, it was at most times a jaggy mess, thats what I mean it couldnt do it justice. And yes I played it on ps3 starting day 1 back then.
Yes I'm 52 hours into my first playthrough and havent started NG+, I'm a completist and doing and getting everything and have 4 fully maxed out weapons, whats wrong with that?
You don't have to agree with me, but if you haven't played it your opinion means nothing.
Shelookdlvl18
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To be fair, Cyberpunk hasn't been out long enough to say that.
GTA could be a fair comparison though. Except that GTA is repeatedly the measuring stick for how large, how interactive, and how well it all works. That all open world games are held to.
GTA Online kinda defeats the comparison anyway.
CaptainConlock
Member
Microsoft's gonna get the big hitters come 2022 (late 2021 if Halo Infinite ships, which I'm doubtful it will) with Avowed, Fable, Perfect Dark, and whatever else they have in store arriving around that time. Xbox Series X is definitely gonna be a great console when those games come out for it.
DavidGzz
Member
Playing Valhalla, just beat Fallen Order on Game Pass. I hope The Ascent is good cause it looks great. Waiting on Control and Cyberpunk NG patches. I never played Dragon Age Inquisition and it's 60fps on XSX so that will be played soon.
When I upgrade my PC am I disappointed? Nope. This is just the next step. Xbox One X was also awesome without exclusives. I do think Sony did better for their launch but I love both consoles.
When I upgrade my PC am I disappointed? Nope. This is just the next step. Xbox One X was also awesome without exclusives. I do think Sony did better for their launch but I love both consoles.
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Shelookdlvl18
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My opinion doesn't have to mean anything to you.
The fact that it's simply a remake isn't an opinion.
The fact that you repeatedly keep claiming you're on your first playthrough, despite the fact that you're really not isn't an opinion either. You just said your first playthrough was in 2009.
But since we're all about opinions here... Just because Sony once again suckered people into buying the same game twice for no other reason than because a new console generation has started, doesn't mean the community as a whole has to believe it's anything more than a remake, in order to make the suckers feel better about their purchase.
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DaleinCalgary
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The games will come but it's going to be a while and 3rd party games will be good. I have hope and it's a long way to go. I haven't played it much but just invested in an elite 2 controller that came this week.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I think a lot of those games are going to push to 2023. It's going to be mid-gen before we see a lot of those titles come out. I think MS is (rightfully) taking a stance of "release it when it's ready" rather than releasing a dud.
Neo_game
Member
They have lot of game studious now so even half of them put out decent games I think they will be fine. But they got nothing in near future and by the time they start making games it might be too late? There was a thread where the NPD numbers are worse than the last gen numbers. They have less stock too in their biggest market for some reason. Except the BC I would say they have down pretty poor job.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Jesus christ.
There's a world of a difference between a remake and next gen patches for fuck sake
Smartest fucking thing you said all day. Now go back to your hole.
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DavidGzz
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Have we seen gameplay from God of War Ragnarok, Horizon(actual gameplay), or any other next gen exclusives that are coming in the next year or two for PS5? Why is MS the only ones who need to show gameplay?
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Later Alligator
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I'm in the same boat, and I actually really like my series X
but launching without a single big 1st party game is ridiculous
supernova8
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- Gran Turismo 7: yes we have
- Horizon: not actual gameplay but "in-engine cinematic" is still preferable to irrelevant CGI
- Ratchet & Clank: yes we have
- Destruction Allstars: yes we have (it was a mix of in-game cinematic replay stuff but a lot looks to be actual game with just the HUD removed
- Returnal: yes we have
In addition, since we're talking about next-gen exclusives then we can also include Astro Bot and Demon's Souls since they are PS5 exclusives (they are already out but doesn't change the fact we have seen gameplay).
In other words, when people say Microsoft needs to show actual gameplay it's because we keep hearing the "most powerful console evarrrrrrrrrrrrr" spiel but then when we ask where the games are that take advantage of all that horsepower, we get directed to all the old stuff that's on Gamepass.
(to be clear, I'm not saying Sony has had a great launch. Sony's launch was pretty anorexic as well. No problem admitting it (not like I'm working for Sony and have to take the blame or anything). It just baffles me that anyone can claim (with a straight face) that there's absolutely nothing wrong MS launching a next-gen machine with no new exclusives.)
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Shelookdlvl18
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I agree. MS certainly screwed the pooch. If you'd have asked me a year ago if it was possible to launch a console without a single 1st party exclusive? I'd have told you that it would never happen. Impossible.
Yet here we are.
I don't want anyone to be confused. MS shit the bed big time here. I'm simply pointing out the false narrative that the PS5 came out with all these big 1st party exclusives is overblown. Demons Souls is a remake, and Miles Morales is an expansion. It's not as if it released with Horizon ZD 2 or Something.
Rolla
Banned
In the lead up to PS5's release we got actual gameplay from, but not limited to
Miles Morales
Ratchet & Clank
Sackboy
Deathloop
Kena
FInal Fantasy
Returnal
Godfall
Etc etc etc
There is a lot of actual gameplay footage of upcoming PS5 games. Playstation actually changed the conversation with a demo. THey litterally buried the spec talk in an instant back in may, with the release of this demo.
29 million views for this demo counting just the first 5 vids of the YT results page.
And they've dictated the conversation ever since with actual gameplay. So it's clear they know the value of ip actually running on their machine. Not some animation from some unrelated studio, using artistic license, as to what they think the game might be like.
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JLB
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But playing 600 dollars to play a ps3 remake, hell yeah!
DavidGzz
Member
I was talking big next gen only games like God of War, Gears 6, etc. I hope last gen systems are dropped soonish. If we're talking games coming soon to both last and next gen:
Halo
Scorn
The Medium
The Ascent
Call of the Sea
Gears Tactics
Wasteland 3
Plus hopefully next gen only:
Flight Simulator
Hellblade 2
Avowed(if we're counting Horizon this could also have been in engine)
I agree that XSX launch games were weak. Yay list wars.
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Shelookdlvl18
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There certainly is something wrong with MS launching with what it did. There's literally thousands of posts here pointing to that fact.
There's also plenty of posts similar to yours that repeatedly point to Demons Souls and Astrobot as next gen exclusives. However, props to you, as your post doesn't completely play them off as if they were some sort of AAA feature titles. One is a remake. While Astro is game, it's a tech demo to highlight the duel-sense controller the same way the last Astro was meant to highlight VR.
If there is absolutely anyone left, that even visits this forum sporadically that hasn't been fully explained to the reasoning for how and why MS fucked up... Then their reading comprehension level is such that they likely can't spell their own name... Or are even aware of what country they reside in for that matter. To continue to push and push and push that narrative no longer really serves a purpose, or will have an effect. Those who are enjoying games on their Xbox Series console at this point will continue to do so. Screaming at them "But the Xbox has no games" won't change that.
Silent Viper
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Rolla
Banned
I've got to be honest here. This is a little disheartening. Certain people have pushed this narrative for months. Trying to dismiss an IP for whatever reason. Despite the fact that you've seen the game be positioned, marketed, and purchased as a PS5 launch game. You've seen those games help position the PS5 and aid the console achieve the best-selling launch in PlayStation's history. And also move more peripherals than any time in PS history. You've seen those games chart highly from Australia to Brazil and sell out in certain parts of the EU.
But still, this narrative that some have been pushing since early Summer is still a thing? Why? Like... I don't get it? That stage of the consoles life cycle has already been solidified. However you chose to define it as an individual, they're officially PS5 launch games. But some are still trying to argue against solidified history at this point.
Certain hardcore gamers: Miles isn't a full game and it's available on PS4. Demon's Souls is just a remake of a niche title.
Public:
And yes, I'm using the European PS4 launch gif because as you know, PS5 crushed the PS4 EU launch sales.
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danielJackson
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Why buy persona 5 when it is "free" for ps+?
PS+ is super cheap, during black friday (and few times a year at least) it were again 35€/12months(must be on sale at US too) = much cheaper than gamepass + you get 20 games in ps5 collection including that persona 5.
Just sounds weird to pay expensive gamepass, but then not paying super cheap ps+
And if you had PS4 + ps+ for last gen = you will have hundreds of older games on the catalog just like in gamepass, but they stay there.
If I would get Xsex, I would not get gamepass, because logically thinking it would cost around 15€/ month and if I would play 1-2 xbox games/month, because time is limited, it would be better to just buy em used. Majority of xbox games are in the 5-10€ area as xbox is so unpopular that their prices tank.
But if xsex doesnt offer real next gen games, and I would want to play their last gen games, then it would be financially smarter to get used one x for 100-150€ as they are super cheap because of the unpopular thing.
From my perspective series x kind of falls between things, no real exclusives, better BC games than on one x, but it is too expensive for that only
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Silent Viper
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Ofcourse. 90% of people in my friends list playing Valhalla and Cyberpunk right now and they all on PS5.
LordBlodgett
Member
As someone whose main console is a Xbox, I'm not happy about Microsoft launching without any new games. I do wish that I had games that could take advantage of the system and really push the power a little, but due to backwards compatibility and Gamepass I'm getting much more use than I got out of my PS4 and Xbox One during the last console launch. The PS4 and Xbox One didn't take over as my main consoles until mid 2014 when they finally had some games.
Chris_Rivera
Member
I’m kinda surprised more SX optimized games haven’t arrived or even available at launch. Really thought there would be a lot more. With EA play you’d think the bigger options there would have got patches. Lame there is only a handful of last gen updates.
Fredrik
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It’ll be awesome for sure. But at this point MS need something that get those who don’t yet know what to buy to choose S|X over PS5 or Sony’s snowball will roll into an unstoppable size before MS has something to counter it with. I bet they banked on multiplats running better, most of us did, but Sony managed to create a system that at least initially give better performance so now MS is in an unfortunate situation where Game Pass is the only thing that can make the undecided people choose their platform.
RPS37
Member
The list of Currently Available Official Series X Optimized games is severely lacking. I don’t understand. I really was under the impression there would be more.
supernova8
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Hehe! It's not like PS5 has the most fantastic of launches either. Add to that the fact that demand is through the roof and scalper bots are running rampage, this whole next-gen launch thing feels like it should've been delayed until they had more inventory
supernova8
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You're right if people bought an Xbox Series S/X and are enjoying it then power to them. I considered it for a moment but then decided to hold off on next-gen altogether until (1) prices go back to normal and (2) there are generally more next-gen games available.
What you're missing (or ignoring) is that there are still loads of people (on here) who will resort to linguistic acrobatics to deflect away from the lack of new next-gen games. Part of it forcing people into a silly discussion around the semantics of what constitutes "next-gen" and what constitutes "new". I think everyone knows what "new" and "next-gen" mean but some are intentionally trying to create confusion as a means of deflection.
turtlepowa
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That's how it works. Imagine Xbox having a prettified 360 game and a crossgen standalone dlc for Gears 5 while Sony has extensively reworked versions of their cinematic 3rd person action adventures. I can almost see GAF praising the cinematics and shitting on the 360 game and the dlc.
Just like the PS5 games.
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lol ps5 has a lot of multiplatform games that most people dont have other device to play on.
CoD,FIFA,ACreed + exc games + nba + all ps4 backwards updates is more than enough + watch dogs
lachesis
Member
Why buy persona 5 when it is "free" for ps+?
PS+ is super cheap, during black friday (and few times a year at least) it were again 35€/12months(must be on sale at US too) = much cheaper than gamepass + you get 20 games in ps5 collection including that persona 5.
Just sounds weird to pay expensive gamepass, but then not paying super cheap ps+
And if you had PS4 + ps+ for last gen = you will have hundreds of older games on the catalog just like in gamepass, but they stay there.
If I would get Xsex, I would not get gamepass, because logically thinking it would cost around 15€/ month and if I would play 1-2 xbox games/month, because time is limited, it would be better to just buy em used. Majority of xbox games are in the 5-10€ area as xbox is so unpopular that their prices tank.
But if xsex doesnt offer real next gen games, and I would want to play their last gen games, then it would be financially smarter to get used one x for 100-150€ as they are super cheap because of the unpopular thing.
From my perspective series x kind of falls between things, no real exclusives, better BC games than on one x, but it is too expensive for that only
I bought Persona 5 Royal, not Persona 5. I got platinum on Persona 5 a couple years ago, and been waiting for P5R price to go down to 19.99 - which I got it for. I tend to "buy" very select few games on PS of the ones that I like, and I don't really play much online - so I don't really need PS+. All those 1st party games can be bought at dirt cheap too, so if I miss any of those. I am still collecting games for my PS3 off and on these days - so I reckon it would be more or less the same for my PS4 library as well. I don't look for hundreds of games to collect these days - I just buy ones that I really like .. and they mostly they are pretty niche titles like Ys series, 13 Sentinels, Sakura Wars, etc. But rest of the mainstream games or 1st party games - like Spider Man MM - I am waiting for some deep discount before I jump in.
PS+ with those 20 games are very nice - but I already own several of them that interests me from that list, and would be cheaper to buy the couple extra ones that I don't own as used, and would perform actually better like Last Guardian.
For Xbox... I missed out entire Xbox One gen. My last Xbox was 360, and I fell out of gaming pretty much during mid 360/PS3 to late Ps4 era. Sold off my 360 and kept my PS3 as my bluray player. When I got back into gaming, a couple years ago - I had a choice of getting PS4 Pro or X1X, and went with PS4 Pro - as it had more games that I wanted to play... but I really envied the X1X BC support, such as Ninja Gaiden 2 @ flawless 60fps, as well as Panzer Dragoon Orta, and RDR1 - also there are some games that I wanted to check out - so I got that game pass 3 year deal. I bought 3 year worth of Xbox Live Gold, and upgrade to Game Pass for just 1 dollar for the whole 3 years. With some gift card and all, for me, it came down to about 14-15 cents per day. If I am not happy at the end of 3rd year with Game Pass - I will just not renew it, and maybe even just sell off the system. Sure, I could have gotten an X1X a couple years back, but I waited this long - so choosing XSX over X1X was no brainer.
But so far, I am enjoying the Game Pass quite a bit. Frankly much more than I thought I would. Personally, more abundant foreign language option is pretty nice - that in U.S., you only get handful of major languages and that's it. I am playing a Dragon Quest game first time ever in my native language. Yakuza games in my native language too. Halo MC or some MS games are actually dubbed. In PS4, if I wanted to play my native language - I had to import using expensive import vendors, or physically get them when I visit my folks - because even to create the PSN account, I needed certification of residence for the country, along with that weird banking system that also doesn't allow foreign (U.S.) credit cards and all, so that I would also have to buy PSN prepaid card with more $$$ that its worth. With game pass, you simply change locale and language - quick reboot and you are good to go. No need to create a separate PSN account or whatnot.
So yeah. Different needs for different people. For me PS5 would be the games that I really care enough to buy like it always been - as they probably won't come to XSX... and XSX would be the Game Pass machine that I can experience games that I don't normally buy - like many indies like untitled duck game, or some main stream games that I wasn't quite interested like Star Wars Fallen Order, or past titles that I missed out like Nier Automata, Yakuza 0-6 etc. So it's a nice expansion for me that works out pretty well... at least for 3 years, 15 cents a day.
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Roberts
Member
Nolan has this thing where he likes to mix audio in a way that sound effects and music drown out dialogue to the point where it becomes unintelligible. The good news is that the disc has subtitles.