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[THEAP99]

I just told my polish-born mother about this and she threw up. This is such an embarrassment.

Hopefully a lot of the talented concept artists & visual designers for this game find better work somewhere else.

 

[Nezzeroth]

Fully deserved.

 

[Edgelord79]

Someone doesn't have a next-gen console or a PC

While I'm enjoying it on PC, it's a little disingenuous to pretend that they should be allowed to market and release a product on last-gen consoles without expectations that it works on said consoles.

 

[Umbral]

What sucks the most about this is that CDPR deserves the shit they are getting for this, but they also gave weapons to all the “journalists” and lefty SJW types who wanted them to fall and the game to flop.

They’ve got their fans and their critics after them now.

 

[DeliciousDoc]

Damn you americans and your law suits they are offering refund and still crying about it, madness

I think that the lawsuit came -because- return policy was changed for the game. In America the biggest crime is admitting fault because that signals the sharks to move in. Project Red is trying to move in to the AAA space but hasn't learned the lesson from EA and ubisoft yet.

I hope project red scales back to AA or even B projects. Those are usually the best games.

 

[bxrz]

While I'm enjoying it on PC, it's a little disingenuous to pretend that they should be allowed to market and release a product on last-gen consoles without expectations that it works on said consoles.

Of course. Not defending CDPR's management, but the devs made a good game. I was referring to OP's comment of "Piece of trash game absolute garbage".

If you make a comment like that I'll just assume you either:

1. Haven't played it
2. Don't own a good PC or next-gen console (preferably XSX)
3. Being a follower/hopping on the hate-train

 

[Humdinger]

Note, they're just exploring the possibility of bringing a suit. They haven't done it yet. They haven't determined whether they have grounds to bring the suit, and they haven't decided whether it's worthwhile. It may come to nothing.

I'm glad to see them getting heat, though. I hope they're sweating a little. What they did was wrong, and gamers are rightly upset. Reviewers were complicit and share a lot of the blame as well.

Btw, has any reviewer come out and apologized, by the way? Said something like, "I'm sorry I didn't make it more clear that my review only pertained to the ___ version and I had no idea what the PS4 or X1 versions would play like, because CDPR was specifically withholding those versions from us. CDPR's withholding of those versions raises concerns about their quality, so beware if you're considering them. I should have said that, and I'm sorry I didn't." Anybody fess up like that yet? I doubt it, but it would be nice to see.

 

[The Chairman]

Of course. Not defending CDPR's manager, but the devs made a good game. I was referring to OP's comment of "Piece of trash game absolute garbage".

If you make a comment like that I'll just assume you either:

1. Haven't played it
2. Don't own a good PC or next-gen console (preferably XSX)
3. Being a follower/hopping on the hate-train

Or 4. have a super powerful PC and the game still plays and looks like shit.

 

[bxrz]

Or 4. have a super powerful PC and the game still plays and looks like shit.

AngryJoe has said numerous times that he thinks the game is good, its just buggy and glitchy

OP said "Piece of trash game absolute garbage "

 

[The Chairman]

AngryJoe has said numerous times that he thinks the game is good, its just buggy and glitchy

Skip to 8:36 and see how the game looks on his super Alienware computer.

 

[thuGG_pl]

I just told my polish-born mother about this and she threw up. This is such an embarrassment.

Hopefully a lot of the talented concept artists & visual designers for this game find better work somewhere else.

Oh fuck off with your drama already.
You were bitching about CDPR even before release in every topic.
You have a clear agenda, do you feel ashamed of polish roots or something?

 

[thuGG_pl]

Or 4. have a super powerful PC and the game still plays and looks like shit.

It doesn't, runs fine on RTX 2080. I'm maybe 20-25 hours in, I had 1 crash, and maybe 3-5 graphical bugs.

 

[Edgelord79]

Of course. Not defending CDPR's management, but the devs made a good game. I was referring to OP's comment of "Piece of trash game absolute garbage".

If you make a comment like that I'll just assume you either:

1. Haven't played it
2. Don't own a good PC or next-gen console (preferably XSX)
3. Being a follower/hopping on the hate-train

1. I'm playing it. Haven't finished it.

2. I'm fortunate enough that my PC is plenty good enough to hit 60 fps most of the time with ray tracing on and DLSS on at 1440p.

3. I'm the furthest thing. I have it on PC and console. But it's objectively not very good on console (Series X). I know this because I have both.

I really don't understand the basic premise of how you came to those conclusions nor do I really care to.

Don't care that much either.

 

[Oppoi]

Of course. Not defending CDPR's management, but the devs made a good game. I was referring to OP's comment of "Piece of trash game absolute garbage".

If you make a comment like that I'll just assume you either:

1. Haven't played it
2. Don't own a good PC or next-gen console (preferably XSX)
3. Being a follower/hopping on the hate-train

The game is garbage teir as soon you treat it as an open world game.

 

[bxrz]

Skip to 8:36 and see how the game looks on his super Alienware computer.

You realize thats a glitch/bug right? Which is what I just said?

 

[bxrz]

1. I'm playing it. Haven't finished it.

2. I'm fortunate enough that my PC is plenty good enough to hit 60 fps most of the time with ray tracing on and DLSS on at 1440p.

3. I'm the furthest thing. I have it on PC and console. But it's objectively not very good on console (Series X). I know this because I have both.

I really don't understand the basic premise of how you came to those conclusions nor do I really care to.

Don't care that much either.

So you think Cyberpunk is "Piece of trash game absolute garbage."?

If so, I would love to hear your opinion on Anthem, Fallout 76 and Marvel Avengers. Games that are actually piece of trash and absolute garbage

 

[The Chairman]

You realize thats a glitch/bug right? Which is what I just said?

You also realize that this glitch that makes the models look like they are from a PSone game makes the game looks like trash and garbage?

 

[Edgelord79]

So you think Cyberpunk is "Piece of trash game absolute garbage."?

If so, I would love to hear your opinion on Anthem, Fallout 76 and Marvel Avengers. Games that are actually piece of trash and absolute garbage

What? I never said that. I think you are confusing me with someone else. Please quote me where I said that.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

False statements, hiding old gen consoles performance, tons of bugs and crash
They alienated 150+ million consoles making the worst version possible
Shareholders want blood and they will get it.

 

[diffusionx]

i can't imagine this would go anywhere. they did not show footage and claim it was PS4/XBO gameplay.

they did not misrepresent anything to a criminal degree because they did not show any last gen console footage which was fake. case closed imo.

from what i can tell, the most they did was make statements that the game "ran well". which, it is a game that makes high end PCs struggle. they could easily argue that it ran as well as you could expect given the hardware limitations. obviously even to get it running smoother at a faster framerate, the visuals will have to take a hit. this is a game made with modern generation and PCs in mind.

at no point did they claim that last gen consoles ran as well as this gen. which seems to be the giant leap this lawsuit is claiming they are responsible for. this has no legal standing, correct? are they going to be legally punished for not making all 7 ports perform the same? that's stupid.

if they lied to investors that is another thing. but they didn't show doctored footage to the public and claim it was running on PS4. otherwise this case would have grounds. as is, it seems to be based on misasumptions and people jumping to conclusions based on hype.

I am pretty sure that the phrase "ran well" is in direct conflict with "runs so shitty that both platforms and a giant retailer offer no strings attached refunds." In no world can one say that a game that runs so bad that it literally got taken off the same store that sells Life of Black Tiger can be described as "runs well."

Ultimately, it's up to the courts to decide, but I think anyone who wants to sue them has a VERY good case.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Translation of the above:

"damn I got caught!"

Got em!!

Cyberpunk 2077 Was Supposed to Be the Biggest Video Game of the Year. What Happened? (Published 2020)

Nearly a decade of hype led to a troubled release riddled with glitches, a livid fan base, refunds for potentially millions of players and a possible class-action lawsuit.

www.nytimes.com

Thoughts on this? Deserved?

Also, this is a translation of the filing:




bUt tHeRe'S nOtHiNg wRoNg wItH tHe gAmE

Naaah, we straight homie

 

[alife]

CDPR worshipers blaming the consumers and making excuses for their beloved CDPR gods is a hilarious sight to behold but also baffling at the same time. These types of individuals belong on the same shit list as people who believe the earth is flat. I myself am enjoying some aspects of the game on a PC, however, it's absolutely ludicrous to disregard the indiscretions (and even transgressions) made by CDPR. In addition to the various performance-related issues found mostly on previous gen consoles (CDPR shouldn't have even bothered with developing their next-gen title on outdated hardware and that is their fault that they decided to do so due to their greed and shortsightedness), the final product they released is not reflective of what they've been marketing and advertising to the public for the last 2.5 years. Perhaps CDPR shouldn't have also wasted their resources on hiring Keanu Reeves since he doesn't even look like the Johnny Silverhand character in the original source material, Cyberpunk 2020. And let's be absolutely honest here.... he's a terrible voice actor (One could even argue that he's a mediocre actor in general at best, period).

Here's a comparison video between GTA: San Andreas and Cyberpunk 2077:


Any brain-dead sheep white knighting and worshiping CDPR, don't quote me. Do yourselves and myself a favor and just hit the ignore button under my name.

P.S. No, I'm not upset. I actually love how this game is a fucking meme generator (Remember when CDPR made a tweet about how this whole game was going to be a meme? ).

 

[bxrz]

You also realize that this glitch that makes the models look like they are from a PSone game makes the game looks like trash and garbage?

Yea but that can (and should) be fixed. I'm talking about the game itself, not bugs and glitches that won't be around in (projected) 2 months.

 

[MrS]

Got em!!





Naaah, we straight homie

Looking great homie!

 

[harmny]

CDPR worshipers blaming the consumers and making excuses for their beloved CDPR gods is a hilarious sight to behold but also baffling at the same time. These types of individuals belong on the same shit list as people who believe the earth is flat. I myself am enjoying some aspects of the game on a PC, however, it's absolutely ludicrous to disregard the indiscretions (and even transgressions) made by CDPR. In addition to the various performance-related issues found mostly on previous gen consoles (CDPR shouldn't have even bothered with developing their next-gen title on outdated hardware and that is their fault that they decided to do so due to their greed and shortsightedness), the final product they released is not reflective of what they've been marketing and advertising to the public for the last 2.5 years. Perhaps CDPR shouldn't have also wasted their resources on hiring Keanu Reeves since he doesn't even look like the Johnny Silverhand character in the original source material, Cyberpunk 2020. And let's be absolutely honest here.... he's a terrible voice actor (One could even argue that he's a mediocre actor in general at best, period).

Here's a comparison video between GTA: San Andreas and Cyberpunk 2077:


Any brain-dead sheep white knighting and worshiping CDPR, don't quote me. Do yourselves and myself a favor and just hit the ignore button under my name.

P.S. No, I'm not upset. I actually love how this game is a fucking meme generator (Remember when CDPR made a tweet about how this whole game was going to be a meme? ).

nive avatar and nice video. now compare gta san andreas to horizon zero dawn and ghost of tsushima

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Lol, gamers. You are on your own with this. I've played worse and gotten less.

Control broke my PS4. And this game is actually more fun than that turd.

 

[BeardGawd]

i can't imagine this would go anywhere. they did not show footage and claim it was PS4/XBO gameplay.

they did not misrepresent anything to a criminal degree because they did not show any last gen console footage which was fake. case closed imo.

from what i can tell, the most they did was make statements that the game "ran well". which, it is a game that makes high end PCs struggle. they could easily argue that it ran as well as you could expect given the hardware limitations. obviously even to get it running smoother at a faster framerate, the visuals will have to take a hit. this is a game made with modern generation and PCs in mind.

at no point did they claim that last gen consoles ran as well as this gen. which seems to be the giant leap this lawsuit is claiming they are responsible for. this has no legal standing, correct? are they going to be legally punished for not making all 7 ports perform the same? that's stupid.

if they lied to investors that is another thing. but they didn't show doctored footage to the public and claim it was running on PS4. otherwise this case would have grounds. as is, it seems to be based on misasumptions and people jumping to conclusions based on hype.

Yep this is no different from most 3rd parties not showing Switch footage before release on multiplatform games. The Switch version often times being markedly inferior in res and framerate.

 

[Oppoi]

Keanu Reeves put his face in this game. CDPR are willing to screw over hollywood actors. You think Keanu or any actor will do another game anytime soon? CDPR really made some big splash with this clusterfuck.

 

[The Chairman]

Naaah, we straight homie

lol

Edit: already posted lol

 

[Dave_at_Home]

If there is any silver lining to all of this, maybe, just maybe big-time publishers will stop the rapid decline in day one releases. Here's also to hoping they'll stop hyping/promising the universe and just deliver what the studio is actually capable of.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Are we still in time to file a lawsuit against Motorstorm?

The first two Motorstorm games had demos, at or before release - not sure about the third but pretty sure it did too - so consumers could try before they buy, and each demo was representative of the final game, and was a quality product.

I still remember getting the invite to the closed beta of Pacific rift and being very impressed months before release.

 

[TheMay30thMan]

You're right, it's not new....and it likely wouldn't be anywhere near as big a deal if CDP/R hadn't spent years cultivating a good guy reputation. You see if Ubisoft, EA or Bethesda behave like Ubisoft, EA or Bethesda nobody really cares...but if the industry darling, CDPR starts behaving like Ubisoft, EA or Bethesda...

If the standard practice in the industry is broken games on release, a practice that CDPR has historically followed, then the people that buy their products should just be wiser with their money. “Industry darling” doesn’t mean anything when the entire industry follows this standard. CDPR’s “good guy reputation” was largely built off a game that had a similar release to 2077. I mentioned that in my post that you only half responded to.

 

[BeardGawd]

Two questions for you and I won't press you any further

Does every game get pulled by Sony for being a piece of shit?
Does every game hide PS4/Xbox versions because of how poorly they run?

These are what make this case different.

Yes most 3rd party games show the best version of their game. Case in point Switch versions don't get shown before release. This isn't new.

 

[Edgelord79]

If there is any silver lining to all of this, maybe, just maybe big-time publishers will stop the rapid decline in day one releases. Here's also to hoping they'll stop hyping/promising the universe and just deliver what the studio is actually capable of.

The silver lining may come with potential legal and financial ramifications of over promising and under delivering.

When console manufacturers start putting warnings in front of your games, that isn't going to sit well with shareholders.

I don't have much faith in consumer's being more selective.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yep this is no different from most 3rd parties not showing Switch footage before release on multiplatform games. The Switch version often times being markedly inferior in res and framerate.

I'm not sure I agree with that, because even for instance, a game like Fifa ends up representative on technical software engineer merit of platform exclusives on switch - even if the roster and gameplay isn't consistent with PS4.

The problem CDPR have in this situation (IMHO) is that their own shareholders will potentially treat the state of the game (on the largest platform it would earn money, the PS4) as insider trading info. Shareholders being informed that the game wouldn't meet well established technical software engineering metrics for HD interactive frame-rates for the genre it occupies is far more than whether the game is rubbish or not - and I'm not talking for the occasional drop here or there, or pacing issues.

Any PS4/X1 game of this type, and this late in the generation is expected to technically achieve a frame-rate avg above 25fps and at a resolution above HD ready(720p), but closer to Full HD, and have IQ that matches around the average games of the generation at the development budget level it used(eg AAA, AA, A). None of those criteria appear to have been met on either the PS4 or X1, and as such the game wasn't ready at a technical level to publish on high profile console platform like Playstation or Xbox IMO, and those responsible for the company must of know that only too well IMO.

Had investors been made aware that the game was rainbow chasing buzzword graphics fx to the point of crippling the IQ and frame-rate of the versions of the generation hardware it was supposed to be releasing on- it is a last-gen game after all - then investors would have probably dumped shares at the earliest opportunity to recover their investment for a product that wasn't going to give them the ROI they had hoped.

Sony pulling it from PSN and offering refunds - because in the UK anyone taking them to a small claims court would have an easy task getting a judge to agree the game isn't of merchantable quality on the disc or even after updates if bought digital - IMHO gives shareholders a valid point of grievance.

 

[Guilty_AI]

If there is any silver lining to all of this, maybe, just maybe big-time publishers will stop the rapid decline in day one releases. Here's also to hoping they'll stop hyping/promising the universe and just deliver what the studio is actually capable of.

This is far from the first it happened. Still happened anyway. Will keep happening.
And honestly, players are also to blame. Many people don't grow any interest in products unless they're hyped and advertised everywhere, many also always want "bigger and better" stuff. So publishers need to do both if they want to sell enough to justify costs, which in turn will always keep costing them more.

 

[oldergamer]

This class action lawsuit wouldn't stand a chance in court. Considering they offer refunds and to fix the issues. Nobody could claim "fraud". Not only that, but good luck proving that the game was supposed to do something that it currently doesn't. outside of bugs, I don't know what leg any legal action could stand on.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Deserved.

Do you really want to see this company fold for putting out a shitty port for a shitty console? Really? Are you THAT much in love with Sony dude??

 

[whyman]

I feel bad for the Devs that worked long and hard on this game. I hope they find better employment in the future.

 

[Edgelord79]

This class action lawsuit wouldn't stand a chance in court. Considering they offer refunds and to fix the issues. Nobody could claim "fraud". Not only that, but good luck proving that the game was supposed to do something that it currently doesn't. outside of bugs, I don't know what leg any legal action could stand on.

I agree with this. It will be interesting to see what the legal argument will be. I suspect this was something put together in the case that CDPR doesn't follow through with the good faith refund promise in some way.

I'd love to see the "undue hardship" argument they might try too.

 

[blastprocessor]

Should we have a lawsuit for the press as well?

 

[Syphon Filter]

Fucking vultures.

Come on CDPR. You can get through this. Fuck the haters, the game is incredible, its heart and soul and sheer fucking powerful resonance with what is going on in the world right now cannot be beaten down. It shines through. You've made something legendary, again.

All the people raging over the bad launch and wanting to punish CDPR almost to the point of destruction are pathetic losers and exactly the kind of fucking dickheads you would want to make angry. We'll still be talking about Cyberpunk 2077 in years to come, not because of its bad launch, but because it's an incredible game.

Cyberpunk sucks and a failure, no one will remember this game years down the road. Maybe if you are a low standard person who accepts mediocrity and generic gameplay.

 

[VertigoOA]

This is some lynch mob bullshit

 

[BeardGawd]

I'm not sure I agree with that, because even for instance, a game like Fifa ends up representative on technical software engineer merit of platform exclusives on switch - even if the roster and gameplay isn't consistent with PS4.

The problem CDPR have in this situation (IMHO) is that their own shareholders will potentially treat the state of the game (on the largest platform it would earn money, the PS4) as insider trading info. Shareholders being informed that the game wouldn't meet well established technical software engineering metrics for HD interactive frame-rates for the genre it occupies is far more than whether the game is rubbish or not - and I'm not talking for the occasional drop here or there, or pacing issues.

Any PS4/X1 game of this type, and this late in the generation is expected to technically achieve a frame-rate avg above 25fps and at a resolution above HD ready(720p), but closer to Full HD, and have IQ that matches around the average games of the generation at the development budget level it used(eg AAA, AA, A). No of those criteria appear to have been met on either the PS4 or X1, and as such the game wasn't ready at a technical level to publish on high profile console platform like Playstation or Xbox IMO, and those responsible for the company must of know that only too well IMO.

Had investors been made aware that the game was rainbow chasing buzzword graphics fx to the point of crippling the IQ and frame-rate of the versions of the generation hardware it was supposed to be releasing on- it is a last-gen game after all - then investors would have probably dumped shares at the earliest opportunity to recover their investment for a product that wasn't going to give them the ROI they had hoped.

Sony pulling it from PSN and offering refunds - because in the UK anyone taking them to a small claims court would have an easy task getting a judge to agree the game isn't of merchantable quality on the disc or even after updates if bought digital - IMHO gives shareholders a valid point of grievance.

Great post but I would argue this being late in the generation works in it's favor as expectations should change with such ancient hardware at this point. Expecting the same res and framerate for a game that is already pushing more powerful hardware to the brink is being foolish imo.

Of course they should have been more open and showed last gen footage. But I don't think it's materially different from not showing the Switch version of games.

I think Sony pulling it has more to do with CDPR offering refunds to everyone than the threat of a lawsuit. There have been plenty of buggy games released that get patched later. Avengers for instance comes to mind which had exclusive Playstation content and marketing.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Yeah good idea. Let's sue every developer into oblivion. You'll really be bitching when you have nothing to play besides EA and Ubi . We finally get some original content and lets shit all over it because its buggy.

The game isnt original at all, does nothing new and is just a copy of other games mashed into one buggy mess.

 

[vpance]

It's over. "GG" CDPR

 

[John Day]

Why a refund if they are refunding? Am I missing something? Honest question.

 

[alife]

nive avatar and nice video. now compare gta san andreas to horizon zero dawn and ghost of tsushima

First and foremost, learn how to type a proper sentence before you quote me. Secondly, I selected this avatar about 2 years ago and haven't bothered to change it. Just because I like the art design on this particular avatar, it doesn't necessarily mean that I worship CD Projekt Red. And if you think the comparison between GTA: San Andreas and Cyberpunk 2077 isn't valid, then consider the fact that Cyberpunk 2077 was marketed and advertised as an expansive open world with emphases on customization, open-world exploration, and immersion, while also including dynamic AI with each NPC having their own day-and-night cycles. So if you even bothered to watch the video I linked, you'd be able to conclude for yourself that as far as immersion and expansive open worlds go, GTA: San Andreas does a better job than Cyberpunk 2077 in regards to the aforementioned aspects. And obviously the other two games you mentioned weren't advertised to be the same type of game as Cyberpunk 2077.

 

[Edgelord79]

It's over. "GG" CDPR

What's over exactly?

 

[VertigoOA]

PS 4th most played game on xbl currently...

Game is still going to sell 20 million plus and the lynch mob circle jerk squad won’t understand