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[iHaunter]

So can you explain to me clearly what your point has been through this entire thread?

My point is, big numbers to show how big your dick is, is stupid. If you get frame-drops, they should lower the res on the XSX to make it more stable.

 

[iHaunter]

I would take 1800p at a locked 60fps over 4K with frame drops any day of the week.

I agree, the resolution you wouldn't notice at all, the frame drops you would. It could be 1440p and look virtually the same.

 

[assurdum]

I dont know. It makes sense to me. 1800p is the logical step down from 2160p. I suppose they could do a custom resolution like 2000p that is closer to 7 million pixels than the 5.7 million pixels of 1800p, but very few titles do that. It's obvious that the PS5 isnt able to do native 4k 60 fps for this game and 3200*1800 is simply the next resolution down the list.

If it was 1620p or 1440p then yes that would mean they fast ported it to the PS5, but 1800p suggests to me that its the resolution that simply had the most consistent performance.

I don't know. I mean you can play Hitman 3 with a normal 2070 card and reach 60 FPS of average at ultra setting in native 4k. We are talking of fucking 4k 60fps at ultra setting not medium. It's really easy push this game to the limit with a very modest GPU. What exactly have of so demanding for the ps5 hardware to be scaled down the shadows res and the whole resolution at 1800p? How many other games did something like this on ps5 compared the pc? That's really bizzarre.

 

[Concern]

Your only source of it dropping frames on ps5 has been debunked already but somehow it still drops on both?

Debunked lol

Receipts?

 

[cosmicom]

I agree, the resolution you wouldn't notice at all, the frame drops you would. It could be 1440p and look virtually the same.

44% in pixel count in series X is very very noticeable in 4k tv. 900p vs 1080p? that´s a joke

 

[Evil Calvin]

Put simply, it's 60 frames per second... with just one exception in our hours of play. In the Mendoza mission set in Argentina, it is possible to see Xbox consoles run between 50 to 60fps around a field towards the outskirts of the level, while PlayStation 5 remains constant at 60fps

Lower resolution though

 

[MasterCornholio]

Dunno. I'm kind of surprised by this face-off, considering what happened till now. We'll see the next ones to have a better idea.

Pretty much my thoughts. All the others were pretty close and then we had this one.

 

[asustitan]

My point is, big numbers to show how big your dick is, is stupid. If you get frame-drops, they should lower the res on the XSX to make it more stable.

No. Not when the drops are so rare.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Double post.

 

[Dolomite]

How you reached that conclusion if the weaker PS4 Pro delivery more? I mean something is wrong with Series S port too... it should at least have better settings than PS4 Pro... not lower.

Edit - Something is fish with XB1 X too.

Lol Don't care about the PS4 pro's performance, chief. Ps4 pro isn't in the series GDK. The fact that 60fps/1080p is in lockstep with the 4k/60 gives Creedence to future titles proving the s is the 1080/60 machine it was promised to be, whilst not impeding optimization on the X

 

[Desudzer10]

Of course this thread got out of control. It's simple, XSX looks better but drops between 50-60 fps rarely during one location. PS5 is slightly, slightly worse graphically but has a steady 60fps. So in my opinion, both are good options. Just play the damn game.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

We don't know if it cannot. 21 pages and all we know is the XSX is being pushed to its limits and sometimes beyond, meanwhile the Ps5 has headroom, but there is no way to know how much unless run a profiler or they turn up the graphics settings until you get dips (like the XSX).

We don't even know that. Low end PC's don't have the Sniper issue so it seems really weird both Xbox do. Seems like a bug.

 

[Superayate]

It is very weird.
Like I said looks like they took their time with PS4 Pro and fast ported it to PS5 with a res bump and high quality textures.

Are you sure about that ? The game was revealed at the PS5 event, and I remember some interview in July for example with the game director about the possibities offered by the PS5 for Hitman 3. For me it would be surprising that this game was rushed to be ported to PS5, but I'm just a random gamer that share my advice

edit: found the interview for example : https://gamingbolt.com/hitman-3-is-...-inspired-and-driven-by-ps5-per-game-director

 

[MasterCornholio]

Of course this thread got out of control. It's simple, XSX looks better but drops between 50-60 fps rarely during one location. PS5 is slightly, slightly worse graphically but has a steady 60fps. So in my opinion, both are good options. Just play the damn game.

Depends if you view 44% more pixels as being a minor difference.

 

[Dolomite]

We don't know if it cannot. 21 pages and all we know is the XSX is being pushed to its limits and sometimes beyond, meanwhile the Ps5 has headroom, but there is no way to know how much unless run a profiler or they turn up the graphics settings until you get dips (like the XSX).

Lol what

 

[John Wick]

Ladies and Gentlemen it was only really a matter of time.

So when do you think it will be time for SS to push PS5 hard???
I wonder why they didn't use DRS for PS5????
Surely there are sections there that are not intensive at all and 4K could easily be managed by PS5. It could then drop down to 1800p if too intensive

 

[assurdum]

Are you sure about that ? The game was revealed at the PS5 event, and I remember some interview in July for example with the game director about the possibities offered by the PS5 for Hitman 3. For me it would be surprising that this game was rushed to be ported to PS5, but I'm just a random gamer that share my advice

edit: found the interview for example : https://gamingbolt.com/hitman-3-is-...-inspired-and-driven-by-ps5-per-game-director

Uh even Dirt 5 was revealed on series X with the same PR bullshit and we know how is ended. Why should be different for ps5?

 

[assurdum]

Depends if you view 44% more pixels as being a minor difference.

If it runs worse yes? I'm not saying it's the case there but I will wait to see vgtech before to claim such drops are rare on series X.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

My point is, big numbers to show how big your dick is, is stupid. If you get frame-drops, they should lower the res on the XSX to make it more stable.

I still think it's a bug. All PC I've seen do that level with Sniper rifle drop maybe 2fps from the smoke. Xbox is dropping over 20. Seems odd a shit PC can drop 2fps but the series x drops 30.

 

[ethomaz]

Are you sure about that ? The game was revealed at the PS5 event, and I remember some interview in July for example with the game director about the possibities offered by the PS5 for Hitman 3. For me it would be surprising that this game was rushed to be ported to PS5, but I'm just a random gamer that share my advice

edit: found the interview for example : https://gamingbolt.com/hitman-3-is-...-inspired-and-driven-by-ps5-per-game-director

How do you explain PS4 Pro being one of the best versions beating Series S and Xbox One X?
There is something really weird here... it not just PS5 delivering less than what it can... it is Xbox Series S and Xbox One X too.

IMO PS4/PS4 Pro looks to be the main development platform that uses a different SDK from PS5... so PS5 was ported late.

 

[assurdum]

Lower resolution though

Ah the DF narrative. "Steady FPS counts more than resolution". Series X at 2160p. "We have changed opinion".

 

[Md Ray]

You really don't need to try and make me feel better. I believed that Teraflops were not everything and this game proved me dead wrong. I screwed up and I only have myself to blame for it. I'm really embarrassed that I said the two systems were really close to each other.

Hitman games are compute-heavy.

 

[assurdum]

Hitman games are compute-heavy.

What is it supposed to mean, with all respect?

 

[Desudzer10]

Depends if you view 44% more pixels as being a minor difference.

It is a big difference, but it's not mind blowingly different. But people saying the XSX is dropping frames needs to watch the video. It's in one specific spot in one specific location. Other than that it's a steady 60.

 

[assurdum]

It is a big difference, but it's not mind blowingly different. But people saying the XSX is dropping frames needs to watch the video. It's in one specific spot in one specific location. Other than that it's a steady 60.

Mmm. Don't give much credit to the FPS average perceived by them, especially when Tom Morgan is behind it. No offence to him but this guy is the most approximative of the group in his analysis.

 

[JORMBO]

It is a big difference, but it's not mind blowingly different. But people saying the XSX is dropping frames needs to watch the video. It's in one specific spot in one specific location. Other than that it's a steady 60.

Some people are just being overly dramatic with "it drops frames" because it makes them feel better about their plastic box.

 

[Ezekiel_]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

 

[M1chl]

What is it supposed to mean, with all respect?

They favor parallelism (wide architecture), probably due to many NPC.

 

[ethomaz]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

DF made it sound that it barely drops in a single small scene... at lest I have that impression.
This video shows it dropping several minutes in different scenes... it barely holds 60fps in several places/scenes.

 

[Mr Moose]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

That could be down to the software they are using to capture the fps, though it's hard to say (like the one that shows 0fps and crap on PS5).
Might be an old version of trdrop.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Look at the video before replying. 99% of the PS5 is stable meanwhile XSX drops frames constantly. The lighting is also off on the XSX.


Yes, it's called optimization. Doesn't appear to be the case for XSX. They went for big numbers and less optimization. The game is going to feel like shit playing it with so many big frame dips.

Please learn to read. This dip literally only occurs in the area in this screenshot.

 

[Md Ray]

What is it supposed to mean, with all respect?

Not all games are made equally. Some games will favor pixel fillrate or other parts of the GPU, some will be heavily dependant on the computational power (TFLOPs) of the GPU. With Hitman games, judging from the PC benchmarks, the more teraflops you throw at it, the better it runs and scales well. And it kind of shows in the console comparisons as well.

 

[FrankWza]

If the XsX was always running at 41 fps, you would have a point, but since it is only one drop at one part one level, I don't think this makes any sense.



Maybe I am easy to please but I think it looks gorgeous. Watching my roommate play it on his XsX now. Looks GREAT on our CX. As for the "zero reasons why PS5 isn't same as XsX," that's a debate that has been done to death on here.

When you go halfsies on a tv, how do you decide who uses it?

So, PS5 is Nino Brown and x is the duh duh man?

 

[SlimySnake]

I don't know. I mean you can play Hitman 3 with a normal 2070 card and reach 60 FPS of average at ultra setting in native 4k. We are talking of fucking 4k 60fps at ultra setting not medium. It's really easy push this game to the limit with a very modest GPU. What exactly have of so demanding for the ps5 hardware to be scaled down the shadows res and the whole resolution at 1800p? How many other games did something like this on ps5 compared the pc? That's really bizzarre.

thats interesting. Do we have any benchmarks for the 5700xt? Maybe its the reverse of the AC Valhalla situation where nvidia cards perform better.

The PS5 GPU was roughly offering the same performance as the 5700xt in AC Valhalla so that is going to be the benchmark to look out for.

I found this one on youtube that runs the game at 1440p 100 fps at max settings. to run it at 4k, you would typically lose half of your framerate which would give us a 50 fps target clearly not good enough for the PS5.

 

[Superayate]

Uh even Dirt 5 was revealed on series X with the same PR bullshit and we know how is ended. Why should be different for ps5?

Yeah I agree. I feel that's not really the same situation, because I think that Dirt 5 was really rushed on Series X to be available for the NG console launch. But if it is really the same situation for hitman 3, we may be afraid in the future of the versions of games corresponding to the console on which they are announced

 

[ethomaz]

That could be down to the software they are using to capture the fps, though it's hard to say (like the one that shows 0fps and crap on PS5).
Might be an old version of trdrop.

Watch the video in 4k/60fps... the animation shows the drop in fps in one side.

 

[MadViking]

44% in pixel count in series X is very very noticeable in 4k tv. 900p vs 1080p? that´s a joke

It's exactly the same difference as 1800p vs 4k.

 

[SlimySnake]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

damn, thats awful.

how does DF miss this?

 

[assurdum]

thats interesting. Do we have any benchmarks for the 5700xt? Maybe its the reverse of the AC Valhalla situation where nvidia cards perform better.

The PS5 GPU was roughly offering the same performance as the 5700xt in AC Valhalla so that is going to be the benchmark to look out for.

I found this one on youtube that runs the game at 1440p 100 fps at max settings. to run it at 4k, you would typically lose half of your framerate which would give us a 50 fps target clearly not good enough for the PS5.

57 FPS of average in 5700xt.

 

[FrankWza]

damn, thats awful.

how does DF miss this?

It’s 60 FPS 99.9% of the time! Quick, go quote as many posts as you can before the stealth edits

 

[Md Ray]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

It's okay. VRR will fix this and magically make it run at 60fps.

 

[vpance]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

If XSX actually drops that bad it should be easily noticed by anyone who has a copy.

 

[FrankWza]

It's okay. VRR will fix this and make it look like 60fps.

Yeah but it’s confirmed that not one person on this forum has a vrr capable tv so...

 

[TBiddy]

If the hardware has better looking games running at higher res and with 60 FPS performance then logic says it can do better. Why it isn't doing is unknown, it could be the engine, the APIs or whatever, doesn't change the fact that up until now every single game on both consoles has had similar resolution targets and settings.

I'm discussing and talking about it this is a forum after all.

I love how your argument is "Logic says it can do better", while then proceeding to list reasons why it can't do better.

Feel free to discuss whatever you like, but the whole "I don't care" thing you got going isn't fooling anyone.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

The game is locked 60 except for one section.
The PS5 is always 1800p.

The smoothness factor is naught because the XSX will only drop frames 0.1% of the time.....the PS5 will be low res 100% of the time.
So if you want to experience the game as good as it gets XSX is the only option.

But keep up the good fight yo!

1800p is low res now?

 

[Night.Ninja]

You bums broke the website

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

I agree, the resolution you wouldn't notice at all, the frame drops you would. It could be 1440p and look virtually the same.

Most of neogaf sit within a metre of the screen so can notice the resolution difference, or so I’m told.

 

[VeganElduderino]

22 pages of this ? lol , people sure like to fight and argue about what they believe in , just take it easy people ! It will be ok, Ps5 wins some and xboxSX wins some .

 

[Xaero Gravity]

 

[Physiognomonics]

Other YouTubers seem to find many more drops, and not just in that one scene :

This is fake. It's locked 60fps on XSX on this video. First it's perfectly smooth (you'd easily notice a ~45fps framerate) and second by pausing and running the video image after image you can see there are no drops.