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Up: Pedro Pascal confirmed to play Joel in HBO's adaptation of TLOU
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BaneIsPain
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Lyanna Mormont is good and right age for Ellie.
Batiman
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Why are you assuming they’re recasting based in race and not talent? Do we know the the rest of the actors casted?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Racist against who?
bitbydeath
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And what?
I don’t know how much simpler I can make my words. Should I try use emotes?
Senua
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Batiman
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Nice answer. That’s what people usually say when they can’t come up with a proper explanation
Tickle My Tendies
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It's really not the end of the world. He's a great actor.
I get it, I get it, they are changing a beloved character, but I mean, give it a chance. And please don't "turn racist" over a TV show casting.
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Interfectum
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If a shitty video game show casting decision is enough to make you racist... guess what you are and have always been racist.
Senua
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Dude, you can't let virtue signalling dickheads actually push you towards disliking other races, that's some dumb, dumb shit.
Thirty7ven
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Pay the man, he’s incredible and he will ace the part.
bitbydeath
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Eh, I don’t think this is good casting either. Her face looks more like Abbeys.
Yselacrey00
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So you think blacks and whites are the same? Are you stupid? They have very different cultures. If that's the case then put a Chinese instead.
Senua
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It's close enough, she was really great in GoT
The oldest stereotype in the horror book!
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Yoboman
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I can guarantee none of the black characters are being turned white. And if Joel is now a black character, then his immediate family will be too
Frankly it changes the context of a lot of scenes. The implications of Joel and his daughter being shot by the police in the first part of the game are totally changed by him being black. The entire frame of what shaped Joels character is fundamentally recontextualised
Race doesn't live in a bubble. If you change the race of the character then you are changing the character. A black Joel and white Joel haven't lived the same circumstances
Komatsu
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Amazing actor and I don't think Joel's race is particularly relevant to the character.
What? Get out of here with this Stormfront shit.
What? Get out of here with this Stormfront shit.
bitbydeath
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I was hoping for Maisie to get the role.
Guardian's Light
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Wait guys, not racist in the true sense of the word, but every time I see a race swap over a famous and established character, i'm progressively more disappointed over time
Resume: I go over how good an actor is, and I think " they actually choose him / her to please sjw viewers"
Resume: I go over how good an actor is, and I think " they actually choose him / her to please sjw viewers"
Tickle My Tendies
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I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the direction you seem to be going in here.
Cool, we can get a new, fresh story from Joel then, not a rehash from the game. New things can be good things.
She's 23. How old is Ellie in the show? Same age as the first game?
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Craig of War
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Imagine if they cast a Black Geralt for the Netflix Witcher Series that would be like this if true wtf
Yoboman
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The story is fine as is
Komatsu
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Geralt is a fictional character in a fantasy version of Eastern Europe, where people of color were rare. Joel is a dude from modern day Texas. He could easily be Black, White, Latino, Asian, whatever.
Senua
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Bit old really
harmny
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American media still called CDPR racist for not including black characters in the game so... They don't give a fuck. Thank God I live in a country where they don't hate white people. At least for now.
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Dorohedoro
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The bearded white guy dream casting for Joel is still alive, folks.
Trogdor1123
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He is pretty great, he seems a bit young though no? I'm actually pretty impressed with their casting so far
Yselacrey00
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So blacks and white are the same? Dafuq are you talking about? Whites and blacks are nothing alike, they even speak so differently.
Komatsu
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The braying around The Witcher supposedly lacking people of color was fortunately a faux-outrage whipped up by a handful of gaming journalists. That shit was beyond contempt.
Senua
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off duty ninja
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Senua
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They even have the same beard tech
Batiman
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How do we even know that scene is even in the show? Isn’t this an adaptation if the source material?
bitbydeath
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Yeah true. She was 14 in the first game.
ThatStupidLion
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Isnt what he does to ellie in TLOU 1 due to joels white male privilege?
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EruditeHobo
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Ethnicity doesn't define culture, and the initial point is wrong... being gay and being white are not the same thing when it comes to this series, they don't function with the same weight within the story. At all. Should be pretty obvious. So making Joel a different ethnicity and changing Ellie's sexuality aren't the same thing.
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TGO
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I think you're confusing adaptations with race washing
When Tom Cruise appeared in Edge of Tomorrow, that was an American adaptation of a Japanese novel to appeal to west.
90% of the world doesn't even know there is a novel or that the main character is completely different race & name.
Funny enough they do the same with their adaptations too, except people don't bitch about them..
This is an adaptation,
new characters, new story, same premise
This is race washing
same story, same characters but different race, same premise
There's a BIG difference.
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Yoboman
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Shmunter
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Could be, but instead the developed character is a burley white dude. It’s a matter of expectations by fans now. If he started out as lightning fast Chinese guy proficient in martial arts, that would be the expectation.
It’s not about race, it’s about established characters and fan expectations. Nothing more to it.
They could make a series in the universe without Joel, then introduce whatever protagonist they please. But again, the success of the production likely hinges on delivering to the established fan base and their pre conceived view. Otherwise, who is it for?
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EruditeHobo
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This is fake news anyways. No Ali as Joel.
Yselacrey00
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Why? Seriously, how can someone say blacks and white are equal when they obviously aren't. We all have different cultures, blacks, whites, latinos, asians, indians, we are all different. Is one thing for all of us to have the same human rights but it's a completely different thing to say we are all the same. No we aren't, we are very different, that's what makes us special. A black guy shouldn't be portraying a white character just like a white guy shouldn't be portraying a black character. You can do it if you want for sure, but if you do it then it's no longer the same character.
OnionSnake
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yselacrey00
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Funny you used Simon. Are you gonna tell me white americans are equal to white britains?I dont think Joel should be black
But damn some of you are embarrassing
harmny
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That was 5 yeas ago. The USA is way worse now in that regard.
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