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[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

They can’t make deals for MLB The Show, they’re the developer but MLB is the publisher on Xbox and the IP owner. MLB holds the rights to any negotiations with Xbox and while Sony will get a portion of the GP money, they likely weren’t in a position to veto the deal without having the rights to the IP revoked.

There is nothing reactionary here, this is standard legal documentation in every single exclusive marketing agreement in every company on the planet.

Thanks for the correction, it's appreciated. I'll put this one on my 'whoops' board for the week :/

Here’s the parity part:

The forcing parity part, if true, well that's pretty shitty tbh. Seems Sony and Microsoft have been particularly fond of this type of practice, going by their histories.

This kind of makes you wonder if similar forced parity has gone on with some other titles like Control. I doubt it, after all there was no co-marketing deal between them and Sony IIRC but I'm not 100% sure if co-marketing deals are a pre-requisite to drawing up forced parity. Simply something like marketshare volume advantage could probably be leveraged in such a scenario I'd imagine.

 

[Kangx]

Difference between paying for something to get it on your platform and paying to gimp it on another platform. Nice tr

Hilarious that this is what Sony has to spend money on.

It isn't. Game pass is legit. Preventing on game pass on date and date is a smart decision for sony. Imagine if you have the marketing deal, and MS come out and say, here RE8, you can play free on game pass on launch day. Of course, MS can have marketing deal and day one game pass like outriders. And you see people were cheering MS for this.

 

[ManaByte]

There’s literally no evidence that this contract is even real and isn’t the creation of colt Eastwood or the rdx podcast crew to come up with some new fake news controversy that only a very small subsection of gamers (gamespass evangelicals) care about.

 

[Great Hair]

 

[GHG]

You're deflecting. I'm not talking about PC. You know this is a shitty move. It would be shitty if MS did it. Stop it. If this is true btw.

The contact explicitly states PC as well as consoles for the exact statement you're referring to. How does it get enforced exactly?

 

[DForce]

You're deflecting. I'm not talking about PC. You know this is a shitty move. It would be shitty if MS did it. Stop it. If this is true btw.

lol. What's deflecting is that you ignored his question about PC.

If this technical parity applies to resolution, then the PC version won't run at a native resolution and the Raytracing resolution would be identical to the PlayStation 5 version to maintain this so called "parity".

The fact that people are ignoring it means they believe it doesn't apply to the PC version.

 

[Shi11]

It isn't. Game pass is legit. Preventing on game pass on date and date is a smart decision for sony. Imagine if you have the marketing deal, and MS come out and say, here RE8, you can play free on game pass on launch day. Of course, MS can have marketing deal and day one game pass like outriders. And you see people were cheering MS for this.

I was talking about the parity claim. The gamepass one makes sense.

 

[Krizalidx11]

It's funny that Sony doesn't want the MOBILE RE8 VERSION TO BE ON PAR WITH PS5 GRAPHICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ManaByte]

It's funny that Sony doesn't want the MOBILE RE8 VERSION TO BE ON PAR WITH PS5 GRAPHICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The new iPad Pro could probably match it actually.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Here’s the parity part:

Disgusting if real. Holy shit.

 

[Shi11]

lol. What's deflecting is that you ignored his question about PC.

If this technical parity applies to resolution, then the PC version won't run at a native resolution and the Raytracing resolution would be identical to the PlayStation 5 version to maintain this so called "parity".

The fact that people are ignoring it means they believe it doesn't apply to the PC version.

I was talking about the xbox version but keep on deflecting.

 

[Krizalidx11]

The new iPad Pro could probably match it actually.

Nah


M1 you mean?? Nah

Apple M1 tested: Performance benchmarks and thermal throttling, explained

Apple has abandoned Intel. But can its new processor, the custom-designed M1, compete? Find out with our Apple M1 tests!

www.androidauthority.com

 

[DForce]

I was talking about the xbox version but keep on deflecting.

You're accusing people of reflecting while ignoring the question being asked.

Why isn't the PC version gimped since its listed under "technical parity"?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Uhh, it's the same section under technical parity

....no it's not jesus.
The subsection is called Feature, content and technical parity, which has one part definition and two sections.
Then it goes on to define the term and that feature, content and technical parity shall be maintained, subject to the material platforms,
Then (i) there will no exclusive content released on other platforms, < this is in-game content [dlc, skins, pre-order bonuses etc..]
Then (ii) there will be no additional features and content for end users on other platforms, < this is platform specific things [like if xbox still had a kinect and they added some kind of kinect mode, or display pictures for your avatar etc.].

It's literally spelled out in each section of the subsection.

The PlayStation 5 version is going to be better than the PC version.

Are you just dumb? Is that it?
It says subject to the material platform, so no, the PS5 version won't be better than the PC version.
It means the opposite of the silly thing you said above, it means that the PC version won't have specific technical things that are absent in the PS5 version.

 

[LordCBH]

People will honestly be surprised if this is real? I'm pretty sure this has happened all the time across multiple companies. Still shitty, but not exactly anything new.

 

[SLB1904]

sony was hiding the tools from MS all along.

 

[SSfox]

You see what you did to your fans Microsoft??? You don't make games and so your fans don't have some dope exclusives to play, so only thing left for them is creating FUD for other plateforms.

If Xbox fanboys would put more efforts on rather that making all those FUDs, but complaining about things that can make Xbox a better gaming brand, like for MS for spending 10 billions into random stuffs instead of making games, you know the thing that matter, specially when you're suppose to be in gaming company. Xbox being in the actual state is also because of Xbox fanboys when you think about it.

 

[Kangx]

I was talking about the parity claim. The gamepass one makes sense.

I have explained in 2 previous posts. People need to read carefully, especially 'subject to material platform limitations'. What is the 2 biggest game that have biggest advantage on the series x? Hitman and Avangers. What is these 2 games have in common? Yes, that's right, they both have big marketing deal with Sony like RE8. Oh, I will throw in one bonus game from Capcom DMC. This game also happen to run better on the series x and it has marketing deal with Sony. You see where am going with this?

 

[FrankWza]

subject to material platform limitations

 

[DForce]

....no it's not jesus.
The subsection is called Feature, content and technical parity, which has one part definition and two sections.
Then it goes on to define the term and that feature, content and technical parity shall be maintained, subject to the material platforms,
Then (i) there will no exclusive content released on other platforms, < this is in-game content [dlc, skins, pre-order bonuses etc..]
Then (ii) there will be no additional features and content for end users on other platforms, < this is platform specific things [like if xbox still had a kinect and they added some kind of kinect mode, or display pictures for your avatar etc.].

It's literally spelled out in each section of the subsection.


Are you just dumb? Is that it?
It says subject to the material platform, so no, the PS5 version won't be better than the PC version.
It means the opposite of the silly thing you said above, it means that the PC version won't have specific technical things that are absent in the PS5 version.

You're calling other people dumb, yet you cannot interpret what you're reading.

If its referring to resolution, then the PC version would suffer from this also, but it doesn't.

Yes, it's spelled out, but you're trying to twist what's saying, just like the Xbox guys on Twitter.

It means the opposite of the silly thing you said above, it means that the PC version won't have specific technical things that are absent in the PS5 version.

You call me dumb and just repeat what I said. A lot of things you just mentioned falls under technical parity. Content (if VR or Kinect was availably) or features (which is Another technical parity).

To make it simple for you.

If PC or Xbox has a feature, then PS5 must have it too as part of the agreement. They paid for exclusive rights and they don't want any features or content on other platforms that are not available on the PS5.

 

[truth411]

The title is misleading, they didn’t make a deal to stop it from going to Gamepass. That implies that they were intending to launch it on Gamepass and Sony swooped in with a deal to stop it.

Sony has a marketing deal with Capcom for RE Village. As part of that marketing deal, understandably, they don’t want the game going on a competitor’s subscription service as a free title for existing subscribers, as that wouldn’t be much of a “marketing deal” for PS.

Nothing unusual about this, in fact I’m sure that big Gamepass titles like Outriders have a clause where they can’t go on any other subscription service etc for a minimum period, as MS paid for that deal for publicity.

/Thread.

 

[Clear]

Disgusting if real. Holy shit.

All this is a contract where Sony is basically ensuring that if they pay Capcom money, they won't fuck them over by signing a more competitive deal with other companies or giving them an inferior version.

If you were making a deal for millions with somebody wouldn't you make sure you're not going to have to deal with any unpleasant surprises? Capcom didn't need to make the deal or accept its terms if they didn't want to, so blame them if you think the Xbox version is being held back - because the only way that this could ever happen is if they wanted it to.

 

[Krizalidx11]

I wonder if Nvidia RTX GPUs will run RT/DLSS since capcom announced RT on AMD so far !!!

 

[DForce]

One of the reasons why MS is buying studios is to keep games off competitive platforms.


But Sony is bad for having exclusive deals and/or marketing rights.

lol

 

[GHG]

sony was hiding the tools from MS all along.

This will be the new excuse now.

 

[SLB1904]

ps5 is holding series x back. not series s or ps4 and xbone. the ps5... god dam people. brains is to be used

 

[Zeroing]

Awesome! another console war, as if we didn’t had enough “battles” in the last 4 weeks. So many battles, so many fallen fighters...heroes to the console cause... and nobody even realized that both companies MS and Sony are 90% the same...

Meanline at Nintendo:
- there’s some noise outside?
- possibly nothing

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

You're calling other people dumb

No, I asked if you're dumb.

If its referring to resolution, then the PC version would suffer from this also, but it doesn't.

I never said it referred to resolution, I made a very specific point of what can be interpreted as technical, go back and read the thread more carefully.
My reply to you was specifically about this subsection not just talking about "content", which is factually doesn't.

A lot of things you just mentioned falls under technical parity. Content (if VR or Kinect was availably) or features (which is Another technical parity).

No it doesn't, that's why it's defined in a legal document, because if they don't define it it creates a loophole like you are trying to create now.

This is why I asked if you are just dumb.

 

[SLB1904]

This will be the new excuse now.

timdog is on it

 

[VAVA Mk2]

 

[Mister Wolf]

I wonder if Nvidia RTX GPUs will run RT/DLSS since capcom announced RT on AMD so far !!!

I doubt we will get DLSS. Any developer talking up Fidelity FX like its a big deal means they are on the take.

 

[Shi11]

I have explained in 2 previous posts. People need to read carefully, especially 'subject to material platform limitations'. What is the 2 biggest game that have biggest advantage on the series x? Hitman and Avangers. What is these 2 games have in common? Yes, that's right, they both have big marketing deal with Sony like RE8. Oh, I will throw in one bonus game from Capcom DMC. This game also happen to run better on the series x and it has marketing deal with Sony. You see where am going with this?

So Sony have made a deal with Capcom to stop them making the game run better on other platforms ?

 

[Dick Jones]

Excellent reporting by Xbox journalists getting leaked contracts between Sony and Capcom. Definitely not fabricated, totally true like their doom and gloom assessments of PS5 compared to the market leader. You barely scrape the surface and you see one of the same few clowns in twitter exchanges. Original tweet in French, contract in English, Halo header at top of twitter page.

When is the next month's sales so they can stop peddling bullshit for a day?

Can we just do a simple check as to the origin before taking it as gospel? If it came from a non Xbox fanboy I'd actually give it weight.

 

[kingpotato]

Imagine being a trillion dollar company and still getting bullied by a billion dollar company

 

[CaptainConlock]

This also spoils the reason why no Call of Duty game is on Game Pass. Sony is cockblocking Microsoft from certain games they already signed contracts with.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

The parity shit is fucking horrible and a shitty move by Sony that gives their fanbase nothing of value at all and proves that the PS5 is inferior in every way to Xbox Series X because if it wasn't they wouldn't have to pay for that, would they? Instead of paying for this, Sony should pay for maybe giving PS Plus subscribers a 20% discount for those who pre-order the game or something. This does nothing for PS5 fans except show them that they purchased the inferior 2019 console.

The game pass stuff though makes sense especially after Sony fucked up by not including a clause in their contract with MLB that would have prevented MLB The Show 21 to be in Game Pass day one. I will never understand how their lawyers missed this or allowed it to not be part of the deal. SMH.

 

[Reality Czar]

Oh no Game Piss people might have to actually pay for a game? Good heavens.

 

[Kangx]

So Sony have made a deal with Capcom to stop them making the game run better on other platforms ?

Oh God, No. On the contrary, what I was saying and giving examples of games to demonstrate this was not the case. I'll explain this for the last time. 'subject to material platform limitations' means for a game, Capcom has to make the best possible version for the ps5. If Ps5 can muster 1800p at best, then that is the limitation of that ps5 'platform'. It does not limit PC or series X for having 4k resolution.

 

[SLB1904]

The parity shit is fucking horrible and a shitty move by Sony that gives their fanbase nothing of value at all and proves that the PS5 is inferior in every way to Xbox Series X because if it wasn't they wouldn't have to pay for that, would they? Instead of paying for this, Sony should pay for maybe giving PS Plus subscribers a 20% discount for those who pre-order the game or something. This does nothing for PS5 fans except show them that they purchased the inferior 2019 console.

what about the series s owners? or even the ps4 and xbone owners. who pay for those?

 

[GHG]

I'm going to throw this out there.

The effective date is prior to the signature date which is odd to say the least. And usually if the "effective date" is stated in the contract you don't have people date their signatures:

So my question is where's the full contract and why are we just getting these snippets with random shit cut off?

 

[Deleted member 471617]

what about the series s owners?

Are there any? They sold like what 5?

 

[ManaByte]

This also spoils the reason why no Call of Duty game is on Game Pass. Sony is cockblocking Microsoft from certain games they already signed contracts with.

 

[ManaByte]

I'm going to throw this out there.

The effective date is prior to the signature date which is odd to say the least. And usually if the "effective date" is stated in the contract you don't have people date their signatures:

So my question is where's the full contract and why are we just getting these snippets with random shit cut off?

So my question is everyone believed everything else from that big Capcom ransomware attack, but as soon as something that comes out that’s negative it’s conspiracy theory time.

 

[GHG]

So my question is everyone believed everything else from that big Capcom ransomware attack, but as soon as something that comes out that’s negative it’s conspiracy theory time.

Ok.

I too believe everything that I've ever seen and read on the internet. It's always worked out well for me.

I'm willing to read a reasonable explanation as to why the signatory section is at odds with the body of the contract.

 

[killatopak]

People in this thread:

Even thinking that ALL past games had a parity clause or even any at all. Not only is it logistically impossible but also financially stupid to do so.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[rickybooby87]

What an absolute load of FUD, nothing about limiting resolution, etc. Truly, this is grasping at straws with the intent to fan the undying flames of the console war. PRETTY sure this means stuff like "Don't release an extra mode on XSX unless you do it on PS5, don't be releasing a high resolution texture patch unless you do it on PS5 too" NOT "OMG, We can't let the fanboys see that our system is powered by weaksauce, please Capcom, PLEASE handicap the competition, we're really struggling over here". What's even more dumbfounding than the twitter dookposting, is that some of you are lapping this up, please. You're better than this.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Smells like fanboy fud to me. We've had about two days of no negative Sony news! Here come the "rumours" and "leaked documents" about how evil sony is! Right on time. Sony are now blocking series x from running games at 8k 120fps! Anyway If there was any truth to it them it's fair game. Microsoft want to buy out 3rd party publishers which isnt easy for Sony to compete with that kind of money. What they can do is timed exclusivity and marketing deals. Make as many deals as possible. They probably already have a marketing deal with rockstar for GTA 6, which is massive. Sony are smart to leverage their close relationship with publishers like square, capcom and rockstar. It's good business for their brand

 

[ManaByte]

What an absolute load of FUD, nothing about limiting resolution, etc. Truly, this is grasping at straws with the intent to fan the undying flames of the console war. PRETTY sure this means stuff like "Don't release an extra mode on XSX unless you do it on PS5, don't be releasing a high resolution texture patch unless you do it on PS5 too" NOT "OMG, We can't let the fanboys see that our system is powered by weaksauce, please Capcom, PLEASE handicap the competition, we're really struggling over here". What's even more dumbfounding than the twitter dookposting, is that some of you are lapping this up, please. You're better than this.

 

[Kumomeme]

well capcom itself also want their game sold at full price. so win win situation here with sony.