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[Digital Foundry] Exclusive: Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition Analysis - The First Triple-A Ray Tracing Game
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DemonCleaner
Member
so its past 17:00 now: how the hell can i download it on steam? no auto update, no store page. wtf?
Md Ray
Member
Nope.
DemonCleaner
Member
ok its up on steam now. adds automatically to your libary.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I just tried the new version. I play on 3080 and c1 oled.
Ray tracing and graphics aside - it is completely fucking broken when it comes to both SDR and HDR presentation.
There is no Black black NEVER. in a room with no lights and pitch black darkness is grey. That is both in SDR and in windows HDR (both game hdr on and off).
It was the same in original release but at least it looked perfectly stunning pitch black when played in SDR. HDR was also broken on original release.
Now there is no way to get proper black levels.... On top of that, when You enable HDR in game - the motion blur goes crazy. You see long trails even after your weapon just moving around.
wtf
John must have surely noticed this right? You have a cx oled. This version is trash when it comes to simplest black level stuff... I find it hard to appreciate amazing ray tracing when contrast in sdr or hdr is non existent.
And it's not a fault of infinite bounces. The minimum is just never black.
Ray tracing and graphics aside - it is completely fucking broken when it comes to both SDR and HDR presentation.
There is no Black black NEVER. in a room with no lights and pitch black darkness is grey. That is both in SDR and in windows HDR (both game hdr on and off).
It was the same in original release but at least it looked perfectly stunning pitch black when played in SDR. HDR was also broken on original release.
Now there is no way to get proper black levels.... On top of that, when You enable HDR in game - the motion blur goes crazy. You see long trails even after your weapon just moving around.
wtf
John must have surely noticed this right? You have a cx oled. This version is trash when it comes to simplest black level stuff... I find it hard to appreciate amazing ray tracing when contrast in sdr or hdr is non existent.
And it's not a fault of infinite bounces. The minimum is just never black.
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captainnapalm
Member
Very happy over here. Looks amazing and DLSS works great so it runs really well.
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
I have a C9 and am in the process of downloading the game so this is a little concerning. I have a couple questions:
- What are your OLED's internal Picture Mode settings?
- Are you running on HDMI 2.0 or 2.1? I'm assuming 2.1 since you're using a 3080.
- In Nvidia Control Panel, what are your color settings, refresh rate, and resolution?
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Exactly! Looks washed out and grey. It's even worse in hdr as I wrote aboveVery happy over here. Looks amazing and DLSS works great so it runs really well.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
HDMI 2.1 cable.
All settings are good. Every other game on pc and or ps5 works as it should.
Everything looks amazing on this tv. Full RGB, 4k120 selected in windows. TV left to auto. I use oled light 30 in SDR to bring it closer to 120nits and HDR untouched with DTM ON or hgig depending which looks better. It's not a matter of wrong tv black levels or wrong tv settings.
With windows HDR OFF:
a)TV and Game are in sdr mode, no other option - washed out.
Windows HDR ON:
a)in Game HDR OFF - super washed out
b)in Game HDR ON - super washed out... and crazy trailing after weapon
It is some problem they have. It was the same in original release. I have it installed on steam too. Looks perfect in SDR but just as broken in HDR
BTW - what is funny is that when You put on/off the mask, a true black appears for milisecond
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
RT looks a bit better i guess.
i played it for about 1 hour.
Some areas look way better,
Such a shame this game is eurojank.
Controls like a wet turd.
VA is absolutely amateur hour. I can not for the life of me continue playing this game.
it controls like a ps3 game. But it sure does look good,
I guess good gfx are wasted on my 3080 when i demand a certain level of quality in my gameplay,
I would prolly enjoy this game more if there was a god/noclip fly mode, basically fly around and take screenshots.
rofif
GL with HDR on win10 i gave up on that shit show,
i played it for about 1 hour.
Some areas look way better,
Such a shame this game is eurojank.
Controls like a wet turd.
VA is absolutely amateur hour. I can not for the life of me continue playing this game.
it controls like a ps3 game. But it sure does look good,
I guess good gfx are wasted on my 3080 when i demand a certain level of quality in my gameplay,
I would prolly enjoy this game more if there was a god/noclip fly mode, basically fly around and take screenshots.
rofif
GL with HDR on win10 i gave up on that shit show,
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
No problem with HDR on windows in most games. Whena game has hdr but don't enable it, You just enable it in windows for that 1 game and disable for all SDR only games. Simple.RT looks a bit better i guess.
i played it for about 1 hour.
Some areas look way better,
Such a shame this game is eurojank.
Controls like a wet turd.
VA is absolutely amateur hour. I can not for the life of me continue playing this game.
it controls like a ps3 game. But it sure does look good,
I guess good gfx are wasted on my 3080 when i demand a certain level of quality in my gameplay,
I would prolly enjoy this game more if there was a god/noclip fly mode, basically fly around and take screenshots.
Death Stranding, RE8 demo, BF5, Hellblade. All look amazing. Metro is just broken. Now it's also just broken in sdr
As for the game - I finished it 2 times. They all talk so badly and so much. Nobody ever shuts up. And the game takes camera away from you all the time. And you have to hold the E button for everything... why.
But I like the body feel, weapon feel, audio, fighting and graphics. But it is super jank yes
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
for real? i always have weird HDR on win 10 compared to ps4/5 it always seems not as goodNo problem with HDR on windows in most games. Whena game has hdr but don't enable it, You just enable it in windows for that 1 game and disable for all SDR only games. Simple.
Death Stranding, RE8 demo, BF5, Hellblade. All look amazing. Metro is just broken. Now it's also just broken in sdr
Shai-Tan
Banned
i'm playing on a cx with hdr on in windows and with right gamma setting it's fine. there's definitely dark areas. DF exaggerated how realistic the RT lighting is (more "natural" maybe) but it does look nice. with ultra RT I have to play in DLSS with 4k which is a bit disappointing because of the effect on image quality but with a 2080ti i'm even dropping below the CX VRR range so it's a necessity
edit: in nvidia control panel I'm using YCbCr422 w/ 10 bit color because 2080ti is hdmi 2.0 only
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You sure? I tried lowering game gamma sider to minimum but it did almost nothing.
You sure it gets full black?
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
what do you call a blind german ?This game looks insane. RT High/ High / Tess/PhysX/Hairworks on / DLSS Performance at 1440p with CAS Sharpening. Solid 60 FPS on my 80 watt Laptop RTX 2060.
I'm blown away, seriously. This is next gen stuff.
a not see
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Shai-Tan
Banned
i dont know what "full black" means. it looks black enough I guess. im not on lowest because i had trouble seeing some stuff with my flashlight. maybe also depends on what part of the game you're playing. I already finished the main game campaign and am playing Sam's Story dlc instead
ethomaz
Banned
That was noticeable in the DF video already... it is too bright... they have to turn down the lighting to be similar to what it was in the original.
Seems like they wanted just to make difference between the two versions and set different tones to the game.
There is no black in the game anymore.
Julius Ibidus
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It means the black is never black. it's grey.
Also another bug - Game always starts in 1440p. It says 4k in menu but it is 1440p. You need to switch resolution in game back and forth.
I have proof below of how broken the gamma is. This is just in SDR.
Menu has proper contrast and black level. Gamma also returns to good black level for a short moment during mask on/off animation.
See? It is BROKEN. I am so mad omg I wanted to play this.
mask/animation/no mask. It is also good in menu. This is not RT effect. This is just broken gamma
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
maybe they did this because the "better" RT implementation renders certain areas too dark?
omfg those pictures above are horrible
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ethomaz
Banned
But even the dark areas are now clear like sun time.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They need to tone that gamma down some.
Shai-Tan
Banned
the old one had only one bounce lighting which was absurdly dark in some areas (on a train covered in windows it was like you're in a basement closet) but the new "infinite bounce" does light up some areas far too much in my opinion. light should taper off and diffuse more. i dont know the technical details but e.g. some night scenes look weird.
anyhow, another issue is that the DLSS has massive motion trails on it in hdr. i dont know how bad they are not in hdr but in hdr characters barely move their heads and you can see it
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
I did notice my gun sights to leave trails yes
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The motion trails are only in HDR. no problem in SDR.
The washed out gamma seems more like a bug rather than RT effect but who knows.
edit: I swear if ps5 and xsx versions have proper gamma handling... fuck this pc shit I am out
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Shai-Tan
Banned
or it's two different issues. im currently playing in a room with a lot of sunlight coming in so maybe I don't see that gamma issue because of that
Ulysses 31
Member
I set contrast to 80%-100% in Nvidia Control Panel and it's not as bad as in those shots. Gives colors a bit more pop too on my CX.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That's not a solution. Windows/nvidia contrast is supposed to never be touched. In fact, I have no idea why this setting even exist.
You might think it works but this way you are crushing black detail probably.... maybe? MAYBE it is a good workaround. I will check
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ethomaz
Banned
You lose details that way, no? Crushed blacks.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I am sure as many other users will point out the broken gamma, that it will get fixed.
Not the end of the world.
Not the end of the world.
Ulysses 31
Member
Says who? If the default colors/contrast/gamma is not to your liking, you can make tweaks thanks to that panel. Ideally that shouldn't have to be the case but unfortunately I found it necessary to get the most eye pleasing picture with PC HDR.
Obviously I do check if there's not too much black/white crush before settling with those settings.
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Krappadizzle
Member
It means the black is never black. it's grey.
Also another bug - Game always starts in 1440p. It says 4k in menu but it is 1440p. You need to switch resolution in game back and forth.
I have proof below of how broken the gamma is. This is just in SDR.
Menu has proper contrast and black level. Gamma also returns to good black level for a short moment during mask on/off animation.
See? It is BROKEN. I am so mad omg I wanted to play this.
mask/animation/no mask. It is also good in menu. This is not RT effect. This is just broken gamma
Just have Artyom take off them Spy Gear goggles:
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
Dammit, I held off playing this game the first time around because HDR got all jacked up with DLSS 1.0. Sucks to hear this is still an issue. Hopefully SpecialK comes out with a fix soon.
This is exactly my setup (including NVCP settings), except with a C9. Sounds like I won't be able to get true/full blacks on the OLED.
Ulysses 31
Member
Depends how much you raise the setting, in the screenshots of post 423 you can get something in between those extreme results without losing too much(if any) details.
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Ulysses 31
Member
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
yep this too. Fucking hell. They did not had to release it today...It also causes Hz to drop down to 60 whenever I use 120 Hz.
Really hope they fix it.
Iced Arcade
Member
Looks amazing, can't wait to play.
Lol poor Tommy
Lol poor Tommy
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RobRSG
Member
In this game it looks weird as fuck. It simply introduces ghosting to moving characters.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Maybe they forgot to add motion vectors? Like few objects in Death stranding?
Shmunter
Member
RobRSG
Member
Man, I don’t know. But hopefully they can fix this shit.
Anyone claiming this looks better than native must have their eyes checked due to this issue.
DemonCleaner
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DemonCleaner
Member
guys, i really don't think it's a good idea to use DLSS below quality mode in 1440p and lower resolutions for games with RT DI and/or GI. the ray sample count is dependent on the internal rendering resolution. the screens you posted here already look kinda degraded. is there a way to deactivate the visor effects to better see this?
im gonna try this myself when im back home. sunday or so....
im gonna try this myself when im back home. sunday or so....
BusierDonkey
Member
It also causes Hz to drop down to 60 whenever I use 120 Hz.
Have you guys tried manually changing resolution to 2160x3840 and/or framerate to 120 in the config file then set the file as "read-only"? That should prevent the settings from being reverted back to 1440p or 60Hz. I've had to do this for a few games over the years. I don't have Metro Exodus installed at the moment or I'd give the the actual file path but I think you can make these changes in the config folder on Exodus.
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