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Microsoft is bringing next-gen games to Xbox one via Xcloud streaming

CeeJay

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What I don't understand is why doesn't Sony put out their PS5 exclusives out for PS Now subscribers at full price digitally for streaming to PS4? That way Sony still gets their sales, gamers who can't get ahold of a PS5 still gets to be a part of the zeitgeist, and they give gamers a compelling reason to sub to PS Now.

Of course this only works without becoming a PR disaster if you already own the game digitally once you do get a PS5. Do this untill consoles are readily available, and you walk away smelling of roses
Could be because PSnow is made up of PS4 blades and it would take a lot of the PS5 chips away from consoles, putting those chips into data centres compounds the problem of people not being able to get hold of the PS5. Not to mention that the Dual Sense isn't compatible with the PS4.
 

Md Ray

Member
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Native gaming is gonna be here for another 10 years or so, and by the time it's gone everyone is gonna have a 6G chip up their anus or whatever which means perfect connection top speeds super fluid practically zero latency. The future looks bright.
Not a fan of streaming. It's probably an old school mentality (though I'm still in my 20s), I love collecting physical copies of the games if I can on consoles and if it's a PC version, I like being able to tweak and play around with the graphics settings and other options on PCs that I built myself (just today I posted a thread related to tweaking stuff in RDR2 to gain more perf out of PC hardware). All of this will be taken away. I cannot and will not give up native gaming.
 
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DaGwaphics

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That’s brillant honestly. If I’m going to be streaming I would much rather use an Xbox console with a proper controller and screen than a phone or a laptop PC.

If you’re playing on an XBO, is it better to stream FH5 and have the SX version with more lag or play the native version? I don’t know the answer.

I would probably lean towards playing local when you can, but for titles like Flight Sim and things that don't release on X1 this is a perfect way to keep X1 users in the loop until they can upgrade.

I actually thought this would be one of the first moves they made in regards to streaming, maybe it's more difficult than it sounds on that old CPU. Even most budget phones and tablets have moved far past the jaguars now, so maybe it took some time to get the decoding up and running.
 
You're gonna Sony "mee tooo" this are you? OK
Just answering someone who was saying Sony could be in trouble. I explained why they should be okay.
How is what microsoft offering any different than what Sony been doing since 2013 with streaming games? It's a nice feature no shade being thrown xCloud.
 
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CRAIG667

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So their goal is to become a streaming service?
Long term, of course!
Business wise it makes absolute sense.
It's blockbuster (console) Vs Netflix (streaming)
Once the infrastructure is in place (in many years) MS want to be at the forefront of cloud gaming. They're obviously in it for the long game.
I think everyone here including myself would rather have the hardware but general consumers want ease of use and if they can get that without spending £500 on a console that's what will eventually win out. Sad but true.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Next gen graphics... in blurry streaming format
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Seems like a reasonable stopgap for people who haven't upgraded though. Like, at least it's an option. The alternative is that everything becomes crossgen for the next few years.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Question for you tech heads.

When it comes to streaming/cloud, lets say the server wants to push down ultra settings and you got an archaic system like Xbox One.

What key factors and specs determine how good of a version can Xbox One (or the receiving hardware) actually handle?
 
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onesvenus

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They already offer this for PS4 games with remote play and psnow. I imagine they could do it as well with Ps5 games and wouldn't be too surprised they are already working on it.
Wasn't one of the excuses of not allowing DualShocks to work on PS5 that it would somehow gimp the experience? Are we supposed to forget that claim when/if they allow to play PS5 games in PS4s?
Btw, remote play is not like what they are saying, you need to have a PS4 to work, xCloud can work without having a console. And in addition to that, you can't use PS now with remote play
 

Derktron

Banned
You know what, I stand up and applaud Xbox for doing this, bravo for them and I give them a standing ovation for this. This is amazing and anyone hating on it just hates the fact that a company like Microsoft can do good. Sony get your shit together cause even Nintendo allows this in some form with some cloud games.
 

CeeJay

Member
Just answering someone who was saying Sony could be in trouble. I explained why they should be okay.
How is what microsoft offering any different than what Sony been doing since 2013 with streaming games? It's a nice feature no shade being thrown xCloud.
Because PSnow is made up of PS4 SOCs and Sony have made no announcements about upgrading it to the PS5 SOCs, they seem focused on using all the silicon in the consoles unlike MS who pledged 12 months ago to begin upgrading their server blades in 2021. Microsoft also talked last year about how they designed Scarlet to specifically work in data centre environments as well as in consoles and have been planning this thing for a very long time. Also the controller incompatibilities between PS4 and PS5 would be problematic. This is one the the reasons why the Series X controller is virtually identical to the Xbox One.

This isn't just something that Sony can easily follow.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Question for you tech heads.

When it comes to streaming/cloud, lets say the server wants to push down ultra settings and you got an archaic system like Xbox One.

What key factors and specs determine how good of a version can Xbox One actually handle?
It all really comes down to the video decoding happening on the Xbox One. If you have an OG Xbox One the maximum supported output resolution is 1080p. You could be streaming at 4K but the system would need to downsample that to display in it's max resolution. The One S and One X both support 4K output as well as 4K video decoding - so if the datacenter pushes a 4K video with max settings, that's what you'll see.

The biggest hinderance to most of these old consoles streaming will be your available internet connection and latency. But if you have a fast enough internet connection speed and at least a One S console, there's no technical reason why this wouldn't look just as good as it would on a Series X.
 
I know Flight Sim but what other CURRENT GEN only games are coming out soon on Xbox?
Probably Forza Motorsport 8 next year, but I would suspect this is MS gearing up for X Cloud being a significant pillar of their business model.
That’s brillant honestly. If I’m going to be streaming I would much rather use an Xbox console with a proper controller and screen than a phone or a laptop PC.

If you’re playing on an XBO, is it better to stream FH5 and have the SX version with more lag or play the native version? I don’t know the answer.
Personally I would never stream a game that can run locally, but my internet is not good enough to stream games without enough lag to really bother me.
Right now it seems PSNow isn’t even able to stream PS5 games entirely so it might be a technical limitation with their servers.
Ouch
Could be because PSnow is made up of PS4 blades and it would take a lot of the PS5 chips away from consoles, putting those chips into data centres compounds the problem of people not being able to get hold of the PS5. Not to mention that the Dual Sense isn't compatible with the PS4.
A simple firmware update would let the Dual Sense work on the PS4, I mean come on, there's no way the PS4 is physically incapable of running a bit more data over its Bluetooth controller connection.

Concerning the data center hardware, it all comes down to whether or not Sony wants to be in the streaming space. If they still want to compete it requires investment.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Only the bandwith. You are getting what's essentially a video like Netflix does
It all really comes down to the video decoding happening on the Xbox One. If you have an OG Xbox One the maximum supported output resolution is 1080p. You could be streaming at 4K but the system would need to downsample that to display in it's max resolution. The One S and One X both support 4K output as well as 4K video decoding - so if the datacenter pushes a 4K video with max settings, that's what you'll see.

The biggest hinderance to most of these old consoles streaming will be your available internet connection and latency. But if you have a fast enough internet connection speed and at least a One S console, there's no technical reason why this wouldn't look just as good as it would on a Series X.
Thanks gents.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Sony doesn't have their own cloud infrastructure. In the long run it wouldn't make financial sense

Good thing there are companies like Amazon, Google, and Microsoft who make selling cloud infrastructure their primary business.

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Native gaming is gonna be here for another 10 years or so, and by the time it's gone everyone is gonna have a 6G chip up their anus or whatever which means perfect connection top speeds super fluid practically zero latency. The future looks bright.

Native gaming isn't going anywhere. There are plenty of gamers in the world who are not going to settle for streaming.
 
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Spidey Fan

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Not a fan of streaming. It's probably an old school mentality (though I'm still in my 20s), I love collecting physical copies of the games if I can on consoles and if it's a PC version, I like being able to tweak and play around with the graphics settings and other options on PCs that I built myself (just today I posted a thread related to tweaking stuff in RDR2 to gain more perf out of PC hardware). All of this will be taken away. I cannot and will not give up native gaming.
You can do those on stadia. I managed to do ultra setting cyberpunk2077 on stadia. So it should be possible for xcloud.

and as for physical, its only small minatory who scream about it. PC is all digital. Most console games are digital. Physical have limited support for other countries. Not everyone can get physical copies. Its easy for digital. That is why people go for digital. Convenience, Less hassle, no cd scratch, or losing the cd, and having to change cd alot to play other games. I can play any game i want using digital games, but i cant do it for physical.

Then there is availability. Some physicals games are hard to find. Not everyone sells those games, since they collect it, so you are out of luck getting it.
 
Wasn't one of the excuses of not allowing DualShocks to work on PS5 that it would somehow gimp the experience? Are we supposed to forget that claim when/if they allow to play PS5 games in PS4s?
Btw, remote play is not like what they are saying, you need to have a PS4 to work, xCloud can work without having a console. And in addition to that, you can't use PS now with remote play
Yeah I believe not using PS4 controller on ps5 was that excuse and in some ways maybe that's true but you're right if they do allow it eventually that explanation was crap then.
Not saying remote play is the same just similar in some ways, that's why I brought psnow which had tv support and things. Which is similar to what xCloud does
 

DaGwaphics

Member
Question for you tech heads.

When it comes to streaming/cloud, lets say the server wants to push down ultra settings and you got an archaic system like Xbox One.

What key factors and specs determine how good of a version can Xbox One (or the receiving hardware) actually handle?
Edit: The more I think about it the X1 can support UHD playback, so it should be okay. The delay in launching this was probably just them waiting until the first next-gen only game released.
 
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Right now it seems PSNow isn’t even able to stream PS5 games entirely so it might be a technical limitation with their servers.
Is this a joke?

PSNOW on Ps4 was all streaming for ps4 games and you guys were bitching that you wanted to download.. so the service got negative rep.

now that PS5 offers download and not mich streaming of Ps5 games ppl want to stream lmao what a joke lol.
Can’t satisfy everyone

get an xbox if you like there features….
Xbox is playing catch up. They need to do whatever they can to get consumers back on the brand.

Sony is ahead of the game and will Copy what works.
 
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Chukhopops

Member
Is this a joke?

PSNOW on Ps4 was all streaming for ps4 games and you guys were bitching that you wanted to download.. so the service got negative rep.

now that PS5 offers download and not mich streaming of Ps5 games ppl want to stream lmao what a joke lol.
Can’t satisfy everyone

get an xbox if you like there features….
Xbox is playing catch up. They need to do whatever they can to get consumers back on the brand.

Sony is ahead of the game and will Copy what works.
I’m not sure I was clear.

As far as I know PSNow doesn’t support PS5 games at all, not to download and not to stream either. Correct me if I’m wrong as I don’t use the service. The speculated reason for that is that PSNow has to work on PC and must therefore support PS5 game streaming.

Someone was asking if it was possible for Sony to allow streaming PS5 games on a PS4 so my post was in context of that.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Is this a joke?

PSNOW on Ps4 was all streaming for ps4 games and you guys were bitching that you wanted to download.. so the service got negative rep.

now that PS5 offers download and not mich streaming of Ps5 games ppl want to stream lmao what a joke lol.
Can’t satisfy everyone

get an xbox if you like there features….
Xbox is playing catch up. They need to do whatever they can to get consumers back on the brand.

Sony is ahead of the game and will Copy what works.
PS Now is still way behind. Half the games are probably stream only on PS systems, all games are stream only on PC and they only recently upgraded to 1080p streams. Before that it was 720p for probably 5 years - even PS4 games were 720p.

xcloud streaming in this context is totally different because some games (like Flight Sim as a potential example) doesnt even look like will release on Xbox One, so the next best option is stream it so last gen gamers can still play it.
 
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Spidey Fan

Banned
Is this a joke?

PSNOW on Ps4 was all streaming for ps4 games and you guys were bitching that you wanted to download.. so the service got negative rep.

now that PS5 offers download and not mich streaming of Ps5 games ppl want to stream lmao what a joke lol.
Can’t satisfy everyone

get an xbox if you like there features….
Xbox is playing catch up. They need to do whatever they can to get consumers back on the brand.

Sony is ahead of the game and will Copy what works.
Chill out friend. Psnow had the horrible lag of playing the games, which why people wanted the download option.

Xbox isn't playing a catch up, since it's actually utilizing their infrastructure, unlike Sony which uses Amazon cloud.

I cant speak for pa5 though, I have no ps5, and I can't use my little brother ps5 to do that.

I played sonic race just now. The menu was stuttering little bit. Same for some gameplay for the race.

And as for xcloud, it was horrible on TV last year. I have no idea how its on the smart TV now.
 
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Agent X

Member
They already offer this for PS4 games with remote play and psnow. I imagine they could do it as well with Ps5 games and wouldn't be too surprised they are already working on it.

Sony has previously stated that they will eventually add PS5 to PS Now.

Right now it seems PSNow isn’t even able to stream PS5 games entirely so it might be a technical limitation with their servers.

The absence of PS5 hardware on the back end is exactly the technical limitation on PS Now. It's the same reason why as of today, June 15, 2021, you cannot stream Xbox Series X games through Xcloud. In both cases, these are forward-looking statements regarding "future" services.
 

JLB

Banned
Yeah, this is a no brainer path.
All Xbox One / S can streamplay pretty much all next gen games and get the hardware once its available / want to spend on it.
 

Agent X

Member
Because PSnow is made up of PS4 SOCs and Sony have made no announcements about upgrading it to the PS5 SOCs, they seem focused on using all the silicon in the consoles unlike MS who pledged 12 months ago to begin upgrading their server blades in 2021. Microsoft also talked last year about how they designed Scarlet to specifically work in data centre environments as well as in consoles and have been planning this thing for a very long time. Also the controller incompatibilities between PS4 and PS5 would be problematic. This is one the the reasons why the Series X controller is virtually identical to the Xbox One.

This isn't just something that Sony can easily follow.

Uh, no. Sony has been playing the long game before Microsoft even knew what the game was.

They designed PlayStation 4 (yes, I said FOUR) with the intent that it could also function as a streaming platform.

Remember Remote Play? (Which, by the way, started on PlayStation THREE.)

Remember SharePlay, where you can allow a second player to join your game remotely, even if that player doesn't own the game?

Remember the SHARE button to capture a video stream of past gameplay?

These were all technologies that were included into the PS4, as a result of their acquisition of Gaikai and OnLive technologies and patents.

The controller issue could be problematic with certain games, but they've dealt with issues like this several years ago when they were streaming PS3 through PS Now to PS Vita and PS TV. They already have this experience under their belt.
 

Smoke6

Member
Long term, of course!
Business wise it makes absolute sense.
It's blockbuster (console) Vs Netflix (streaming)
Once the infrastructure is in place (in many years) MS want to be at the forefront of cloud gaming. They're obviously in it for the long game.
I think everyone here including myself would rather have the hardware but general consumers want ease of use and if they can get that without spending £500 on a console that's what will eventually win out. Sad but true.
I’m trying to understand how streaming a graphics intense game is better than owning it and playing it locally! Especially a game with online multiplayer and a very popular one!
 

GhostOfTsu

Banned
This thread is so weird. For years, Sony got so much shit for streaming on remotePlay/PSNow and now the posters are all here Wow thank you MS! Sony is playing catch up! When MS is actually copying them?

So now we're back to streaming is good? PS5 games will come in the future too.

You know what, I stand up and applaud Xbox for doing this, bravo for them and I give them a standing ovation for this. This is amazing and anyone hating on it just hates the fact that a company like Microsoft can do good. Sony get your shit together cause even Nintendo allows this in some form with some cloud games.
They've been doing it for years. You need help.
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
This thread is so weird. For years, Sony got so much shit for streaming on remotePlay/PSNow and now the posters are all here Wow thank you MS! Sony is playing catch up! When MS is actually copying them?

So now we're back to streaming is good? PS5 games will come in the future too.


They've been doing it for years. You need help.
the difference is they are doing new gen games for old gen. that is something unheard of. So all the praise is valid.

As for sony, they got the same shit xbox got, when they did they whole online debacle. Both were right, just come at the wrong time. same as how stadia was hated when it come out, but people are praising xcloud now, because gamepass, and day 1 games.
 

GhostOfTsu

Banned
the difference is they are doing new gen games for old gen. that is something unheard of. So all the praise is valid.
The technology wasn't there yet. Those are future plans, even for MS.

You think they were going to offer PS5 streaming on PS4 on Day 1? The PS5 just came out.
 

Tripolygon

Banned
the difference is they are doing new gen games for old gen. that is something unheard of. So all the praise is valid.

As for sony, they got the same shit xbox got, when they did they whole online debacle. Both were right, just come at the wrong time. same as how stadia was hated when it come out, but people are praising xcloud now, because gamepass, and day 1 games.
You’re kidding right?

PS3 and PS Vita could play PS4 next gen games for years until PS Now was discontinued for those devices that have reached their EOL.
 

Bojanglez

The Amiga Brotherhood
Right now it seems PSNow isn’t even able to stream PS5 games entirely so it might be a technical limitation with their servers.
I imagine all PS5 hardware is being pushed into retail SKUs rather than server racks. They'll do it eventually, maybe in time for the PSP5G 😄
 

soulbait

Member
Streaming still does not have the bells and whistles as playing locally does. So far, no HDR, no surround sound, compressed video and audio, and more. These things will improve over time and will get better, but will not match playing local.

My best guess is that in the future (6-8 years) gaming will be very similar to how it is for watching movies now, for those with fast internet: the majority will be happy and will say that streaming is "good enough" with the minority still wanting better quality (like buying 4K UHD Bluray) for home. Just like how my friends think I am a weirdo now for insisting in buying UHD Blurays now, in 10 years I will be the weirdo still playing games locally, while everyone has easier, quicker access to games.
 
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