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Games that are MUCH better on PC
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Dream-Knife
Banned
Pretty much any game with forward thinking. A lot of people seem to think Ultra settings are for current hardware, but they're really for future hardware. No need for a 'next-gen patch'.
He's running a 3060 at 4k (yes I know LOL), hence his comments. He argues some dumb things, but apparently R8 was terrible on PC.
dcx4610
Member
Any FPS game.
To me, a FPS games needs a mouse. I know some people are competent and even good with a controller but I still see it as a handicap. FPS with a mouse is a game changer and the only way I'd play one.
Also, any game but especially FPS games if they run at higher than 60fps. Playing games at 120fps+ is another experience.
What I love doing on playing a game on console and then when/if it gets a PC release, I replay it using max settings. It's like getting to experience a game for the first time or in its best possible form. I'm really looking forward to experiencing Last of Us that way.
To me, a FPS games needs a mouse. I know some people are competent and even good with a controller but I still see it as a handicap. FPS with a mouse is a game changer and the only way I'd play one.
Also, any game but especially FPS games if they run at higher than 60fps. Playing games at 120fps+ is another experience.
What I love doing on playing a game on console and then when/if it gets a PC release, I replay it using max settings. It's like getting to experience a game for the first time or in its best possible form. I'm really looking forward to experiencing Last of Us that way.
Rickyiez
Member
But it is mostly everything . 30FPS to 60/120FPS jump is considered MUCH better to me .
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Icymanipulator
Member
Most recently, Monster Hunter Rise. Nice leap in resolution and a buttery smooth 60 FPS that’s absolutely rock solid. I’m running a 3060, 16gb ram
Nezzeroth
Member
People turned it into an internet meme. That’s pretty much all there is to it, the scene is perfectly fine in context like you said.
Fredrik
Member
If I had the PC in the living room almost everything would be better on PC but as long as I sit by a desk console versions still beat PC versions when a controller is preferred unless the framerate sucks.
My top picks right now (+ reasons)
Cyberpunk 2077 (framerate,gfx,mods,mouse)
Skyrim/Skyrim VR (mods + mouse/VR)
Elden Ring (framerate)
Assetto Corsa (mods + framerate)
No Man’s Sky (mouse + framerate)
Forza Horizon 3 (framerate + 3 screens)
MS Flight Simulator (framerate + VR)
My top picks right now (+ reasons)
Cyberpunk 2077 (framerate,gfx,mods,mouse)
Skyrim/Skyrim VR (mods + mouse/VR)
Elden Ring (framerate)
Assetto Corsa (mods + framerate)
No Man’s Sky (mouse + framerate)
Forza Horizon 3 (framerate + 3 screens)
MS Flight Simulator (framerate + VR)
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
1. Depends on the game. Some games don't have such a stark difference on consoles vs. PC.
2. You also pay 4x the amount on PC hardware, so games should/rightfully do look better than console versions.
2. You also pay 4x the amount on PC hardware, so games should/rightfully do look better than console versions.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
pretty much every FPS. Going from joystick to mouse in Doom completely changed the game for me
MidGenRefresh
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GTA 3D trilogy using this mod:
It's a labor of love and respect for the OG material.
It's a labor of love and respect for the OG material.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Nah it was fine, I streamed it here on a radeon vega; no issues.
Sentenza
Member
Didn’t it have just some stuttering issue tied to drm that was quickly addressed in an update?
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
I think his intention was to focus on the "better visual quality" part, not the "better performance" part (which is basically a given with a somewhat modern PC; the norm is you get more fps and a higher res). Higher fps is definitely in the performance category, since you can't see them in a still image. Resolution of course is a visual quality aspect, but you get that in pretty much every single game so it's not worth mentioning in this context. OP's thread intended to focus just on the rest with regards to differences in visual quality, so fex better textures, better post processing, RT and so on.
Edit: Oh and I forgot the whole controls thing. Sure some games are better with a mouse/kb. There's probably tons of stuff I haven't mentioned as well. AFAIK, light gun gaming is also best on PC currently.
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DerivedDataCache
Member
Its kind of a hard topic because you must own a console and pc version of the same game.
I cant think of many pc exclusive graphic settings (that are worth caring about).
I cant think of many pc exclusive graphic settings (that are worth caring about).
Kabelly
Member
So I tried god mode yesterday and I literally couldn't beat the first act of the first mission because of the things you mentioned. It's literally impossible to do anything. I peep out for one second and you get shredded. You go to shoot and you get one shot by something off screen.
Was not fun. Will probably never play that difficulty lol.
Kabelly
Member
now that i have a pc i need to play this again with an emulator. gonna learn how.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
The 486 runs Doom better than the SNES, 33x or Jaguar
yamaci17
Member
with the ability to disable vsync completely and have a frame limit + VRR, most games will practically be smoother and snappier to play on PC
you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version
on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.
i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console
sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,
take a look at how sx runs this game:
now look at the beauty above...
if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.
you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version
on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.
i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console
sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,
take a look at how sx runs this game:
now look at the beauty above...
if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
with the ability to disable vsync completely and have a frame limit + VRR, most games will practically be smoother and snappier to play on PC
you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version
on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.
i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console
sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,
take a look at how sx runs this game:
now look at the beauty above...
if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.
GTA IV on PC only with this community patch:
GTA IV: Definitive Edition | D.E.P
www.definitive-edition-project.com
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
yeah lemmie see fallout running on a similarly specc'd & priced PC from that era..
man games on my £2000 graphics card look so much better than this £300 console...
man games on my £2000 graphics card look so much better than this £300 console...
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
How about having a TV + comfy chair on the PC room? That's what I'd do if I couldn't have it on the living room.
I love this kind of seething.
Dude, you are on an enthusiast gamers forum. We don't care about money here, we care about the results. And when it comes to those, you'll get the best on PC 99% of the time.
Haggard
Banned
rofif
Banned
with the ability to disable vsync completely and have a frame limit + VRR, most games will practically be smoother and snappier to play on PC
you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version
on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.
i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console
sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,
take a look at how sx runs this game:
now look at the beauty above...
if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.
People here don't know what MUCH is.
It looks the same. just sharper which is worse for gta iv.
I still like how gta 4 looks on 360 more. Better dof, aa and proper motion blur. It looks good on pc but the contrast is all wrong, dof is gone at high rest and it looses something.
Fps is better on pc of course
dotnotbot
Member
with the ability to disable vsync completely and have a frame limit + VRR, most games will practically be smoother and snappier to play on PC
you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version
on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.
i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console
sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,
take a look at how sx runs this game:
now look at the beauty above...
if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.
I don't know why but I always hated the clean look of GTA IV on PC. Just doesn't look right. Without blur filter it's souless and looks even more janky and blocky and just shit.
yamaci17
Member
he's even actually wrong
u could easily built a gtx 970+i5 rig for 800-900 bucks back in 2014 (approximately 2-2.3 times more than a ps4)
how shocking. 1080p 80+ fps experience over the 1080p/30 fps low/med experience of ps4
despite not having async, vulkan/dx12 low level api features, it also manages to run god of war at 1080p/45-55 fps with ps4 settings which is much more smoother than base base ps4
same for rdr 2, but a bit better (usually above 50 frames)
this rig still gives you 1.5-1.8x more performance over a base ps4 with nearly 2-2.3 times more price
i'd say that's a fair trade, considering the freedom that gtx 970 pc provided to its user over the years. and if you happened to build a computer with a i7 4th gen, u could easily sell your 970 and upgrade to somethin like 1070 and still happily game away even at higher framerates/settings
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
no seething, I'm typing this out on a 3070 RTX laptop and when it comes to gaming, my PS5+55 Oled wins out every time, but when comparing the massive price differential between PC+Consoles, the difference in graphics are not 2 to 3x the leap they should be considering the price
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
you are still 2x the price so of course the game should run better, does it run 2x better? well imo no, "slightly" better looking? yes, "slightly" smoother? again yes but nothing you ain't noticing from sitting on a couch.
MidGenRefresh
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Do you use your PC only for gaming? Why do you pair your PS5 with your Oled TV? Can't you plug in your PC into that same TV?
And also... are you blind? Because I also have a 3070 and when it comes to the latest games (or at least those I've played) those seemed to run better on my PC than on the PS5, based at least on what I saw from DF videos and such.
A recent example could be Elden Ring, where you need to play the PS4 version on a PS5 to get 60fps.
Guess I could post the DF comparisons of games like Control or some Call of Duty but honesly, I don't wanna bother and I doubt you even care.
SupremeHoodie
Member
Because 360 players all had mic’s with the console, so the lobbies were active with trash talk. Cod at that point was dying on pc and battlefield was way more popular. If you wanted to be a competitive cod player 360 was the move.
Haggard
Banned
Damn you must be bummed every time a new phone comes out and doesn`t play everything several times as good as its immediate bargain-binned predecessor.......
yamaci17
Member
price performance point compared to consoles usually becomes better 1 generation later (just like the example of 970). and you're just comparing overpriced laptops to a console. a laptop 3070 will most likely perform a bit better than a desktop 3060. your example has no bearings towards this discussion
by the end of the year, 4070 will be sold at 500-600 bucks MSRP and will destroy ps5 with 2 times more performance. if its not scalped, you will be able to easily build 1k buck 4070 rig that will easily push 2 times more performance than a ps5 (500 buck msrp)
i can say that yes, current 3070 rigs that costs 1k bucks will nearly perform similar to ps5. but that is bound to change. of course if scalp prices occur again, you're all free to shit on PCs and their prices. but if that does not happen, you folks will lose the single most strongest argument you have, lol
i wont bother further answering stuff related to this. some of you folk readily whip up 1k bucks for a oled screen but you act like the poorest person in the world when it comes to PCs. i'm done with you people
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
We should make an oath to just stop answering to those kind of posts. It seems you can't have a PC discussion on GAF without the same stupid comments popping out every time.
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yamaci17
Member
you cannot simply turn some benefits of PCs into numbers and add them to the comparison. slightly? even 30 fps to 40 fps is a huge bump in smoothness. ask that to the console folk who gets to experience 40 fps spiderman over 30 fps spiderman. 30 to 50 fps is a huge difference. the thread owner showed there are no slight differences between console and PC versions of fallout 4 which creates the basis of the topic.
and i dont sit from a couch. im not a couch gamer, and will never be. the user who opened the topic is so affected by the difference that they felt the need of opening this thread. ignoring such differences by saying "slightly" means that you have no business in this thread discussing. you're entirely contradicting the OP's point with your own personal choices.
gtx 970 rig, which costs 2 times, renders 80 frames at ultra settings with competent i5 cpu. why try to build a PC with the price of a console? what is even the point? PC always have a higher entry cost. if you refuse to pay it, you will get a HUGELY downgraded product.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Lots. Bethesda games especially for me. You can mod those into a far superior experience. It's not even close.
Ogbert
Member
I don’t think that applies to all fps games.
For example, I probably prefer Borderlands on console. It’s a fun, casual loot grind. It fits the medium.
But yes, any fps where aiming matters is miles better on PC.
yamaci17
Member
i don't even bring dlss into this discussion lol. at 4k with dlss quality mode, its practically free %50-70 performance boost. (of course the people who say "you wont see the differences, they are slight" will come up and say "nooo dlss destroys IQ i dont accept it, do not bring it into the discussion)
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MidGenRefresh
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I'm with you on this one. That's why I recommend this community patch that restores a lot of 360 effects. For me it's a must to enjoy GTA IV on PC.
GTA IV: Definitive Edition | D.E.P
www.definitive-edition-project.com
MidGenRefresh
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Borderlands plays a lot better on PC actually. Crank that FOV and mouse sensitivity and go crazy.
The only FPS I don't mind playing using a controller is Halo.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah man... meanwhile there's nothing wrong with dynamic 4K on consoles because hey, who could notice the difference?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Nothing forbid people to use mic on pc and I was/still am competitive in MW/MW2/MW3 and BO2. Cod dying or not meant nothing as I easily found/still find matches.
yamaci17
Member
paying 2x price at this point is just a bare minimum. you either pay more, or don't get a PC at all.
example? series s is 300 bucks. and has 4 tflops. 500 bucks get you 12 tflops. do you think it is logical? it is. there's a huge base price for building a console as is.
you can find a 600 bucks laptop with a shitty integrated GPU. then you can find a laptop with a rtx 3060 in in t for 1000 bucks. for 400 bucks, you're gimping the laptop big time. its just the nature of PCs. consoles in the end will get your money regardless through:
- more expensive games (due to them having a single store for respective consoles)
- yearly subscriptions for online services
if you're gamer, you gotta spend some money on stuff regardless. that's simple.
you can say that it is uncomfortable to use PC on a couch living room setup, and I'd gladly agree with you. you can say you had bad experiences on PC launching games, stability issues, I would wholeheartedly say, you did the right thing by choosing console. you say you hate ue4 compilation stutters, i'd gladly give you %100 props for choosing console over PC. you simply say that console makes you more nostalgic and lets you enjoy video games more, then I can say, you did the best for yourself. you can say its a hassle to build a PC and make it come alive, i can agree. it is a research process to build a PC for some folks until you shell out huge money to prebuilt PCs which I'm completely against. you can say cooling and tweaking the system is a hassle, which I'd agree. making your own built PC more quiet like a console is also a hassle, I'd have to agree (it is possible to do, its just not readily doable like you get on consoles, you understand me?). i'm giving you lots of fair and reasonable points for choosing a console over PC
bringing price into the discussion? that's just coping at its best. it simply doesn't work. it simply cannot be a main deciding factor when you're deciding on a console or a PC if the gaming is your main hobby.
if anything, you will always get cheaper games on PC over a long period of time. this is just the nature of PC, with tons of stores and low player count, they have to incentivise players to get their games
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MidGenRefresh
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I never understood why people say that MP game is "dead". I don't care if there's 1000 or 100 000 people playing. As long as I can connect and find a match, it doesn't affect me.
Fredrik
Member
It’s not the same thing. In the living room I have a comfy couch, big TV and projector, Atmos AVR. I don’t want to invest in all that for the PC. Plus, I honestly don’t want my noisy PC in the living room either, so consoles will stay winning for certain games for me. I’ve dabbled with in-house streaming and GFN as well, but… Nah.