YOU PC BRO?!
Member
Simply put I don’t think certain things should be normalised.
Not if you know their god damn gender and there is only one of them.... That's a very normal way to use English.
This is the correct use of it, although it has used commonly amongst people to refer to a single person for years because it's a word people can use and you know what they're talking about.All the examples I can find are like those posted earlier, where you refer so someone you know nothing about.
ooof thanks man.Some people in this very thread seem to be saying otherwise. I'm a dumb ESL so I'll let you guys decide on that.
Don't be married with your job man, specially if it's not your company/business. You sound like you are being way too responsible even for your own good.
Learn to disconect. Put limits between you and your job, and relax bro.
I mean, I get where you are going with this but I dunno. FaF isn't exactly an easy movie to isolate and attribute global popularity to considering it is like the 8th or 9th or 100th movie in the franchise, and Black Panther actually "bombed" in China (a huge part of FaF's international number) largely due to the cast (which ironically as I already insinuated could be considered a non-diverse cast, thus in a round about way actually proving your point). Regardless, even if the financial correlation was 100% I am still of the firm belief that everything will not appeal to everyone, and everything should not appeal to everyone (granted this statement goes way beyond "wokeness" or anything political).That is why I said:
That I am talking about the intersection between creators/ business.
Just look at the split in box office:
Black Panther:
Domestic:700 M
International: 636 M
The fate of the furious:
Domestic: 225M
International: 1 B
Quite a lot of awesome posts in this thread!
One thing I would add that might offend some: I hate wokeness and everything about it because I see the sinister motives behind it. On the outside it is made to be seem as something that unifies people but in reality all it does is dividing people more and more and making them fight each other instead of seeing who cause their problems in life. All the while the people at the top of the society get away with anything as no one realizes that it’s basically about “divide and conquer” and nothing else.
Be offended. Female or black leads is not the issue. It's pampering some or overly representing some just to pander. I don't care if its a game about a gay bar and 90% of the characters are gay, that would make sense for instance. People need to be equal when it comes to jokes. If you're offended, be offended. The world doesn't revolve around you.
I know that feel my man. In my experience, sadly, the only way to get a raise in IT is by changing jobs, which can be a total pain specially if you like the people you work with or are enjoying working on the current project.ooof thanks man.
With time, because of bad management, out engineering team reduced from about 12 to 4.
I am apparently a very valued specialist. Valued enough to block my move to IT department despite me winning the recruitment ooof.
But not valuable enough to give me a rise! Even though I am saving tens of thousands of euro doing the complicated service work.
OK... I am wailing over it too much. Just ... gotta... relax
It's been this way for forever.
And still. I'm posting in a thread about it in 2022
I mean, someone had to :
I'm going to need OP's clear, definitive definition of "woke." Then I'm going to need to know how that's a problem in games / media.
Like what? Cannibalism? Murder? Hasan Karahman?Simply put I don’t think certain things should be normalised.
Like what? Murder?Simply put I don’t think certain things should be normalised.
Be offended. Female or black leads is not the issue. It's pampering some or overly representing some just to pander. I don't care if its a game about a gay bar and 90% of the characters are gay, that would make sense for instance. People need to be equal when it comes to jokes. If you're offended, be offended. The world doesn't revolve around you.
Yeah, it does exist and if anyone is saying it doesn't then they are either lying, blind, or a fool. TOLU2, Detroit, MK11, and Life is Strange are some of the examples.
Woke can be boiled down to a certain mentality -
I don’t let it become an issue in my life or my games. If I don’t like a game due to its narrative I just play something else.
Society always goes through generational changes. When my kids are older and have their own families, they’ll be in the exact same place.
The people who are outraged about this would have been complaining about Kirk kissing Uhura (rip) in 1966. Wokism is a catch all term atm for "change is uncomfortable".
What is the consensus academic definition, then? Does one even exist?I guarantee you not a single academic describes "being woke" as such. You've basically crafted a definition that puts you in a good light and folks who describe themselves as "woke" on the backfoot.
It's a logical fallacy always brought up by people trying to "gotcha" with: "Well, you oppose [modern thing], so surely you must've opposed civil rights or women's suffrage back in the day." Such logical fallacy borders on the idiotic, actually.The people who are outraged about this would have been complaining about Kirk kissing Uhura (rip) in 1966. Wokism is a catch all term atm for "change is uncomfortable".
Some people mistake "woke" as "haterd". We just need to push equality while explaining that pandering or putting some group on a pedestal isn't the way to go. It shouldn't be hard to make media that treats every group equally and is just fun and entertaining. No special treatment. There is always going to be a small vocal group that says stupid crap every time there is a gay or black main character. At least with free speech you can see who those people are and try to get through to them.I'd believe any of this if ANY suggestion of inclusion in video games wasn't met with kneejerk teeth-gnashing by folks. Look at threads where people go out of their way to find small insignificant updates that make the gaming space more open for people and the kinds of overreactions occur there (see the recent WoW thread about datamined Dragonflight character options). Take the following post:
The only thing any of those titles has in common is that they present a (Westernized) view of the world that isn't dominated by White characters. I struggle to think of ANYTHING in TLOU2 that felt "pandering" as it relates to diversity beyond it including a female antagonist that had masculine features and is now a meme because she wasn't "hot enough" and was specifically designed to not be "marketable" (read fuckable) first.
I guarantee you not a single academic describes "being woke" as such. You've basically crafted a definition that puts you in a good light and folks who describe themselves as "woke" on the backfoot.
I disagree. I think it’s incredibly difficult and that’s why a lot of games and media fail in this regard.It shouldn't be hard to make media that treats every group equally and is just fun and entertaining. No special treatment.
Are you a clown. It's nothing to do with woke and gender pronouns. It's literally how normal people talk. Forcing them and they is completely different.Not if you know their god damn gender and there is only one of them.
When I said equally, I don't necessarily mean positively. Games like GTA should stick with making fun of every group. There's a lot of humor in making fun of people but everyone should be fair game.I disagree. I think it’s incredibly difficult and that’s why a lot of games and media fail in this regard.
Listen, I don't like to judge people, but whoever said this is so fucking dumb it makes the Earth spin slower than it should."Not having a political opinion is a political opinion in itself."
There is no balance.The following three things are true:
Many creative people in modern media are slaves to ideologies they picked up in education, and haven’t grown out of, to the detriment of the projects they work on.
Many members of the public still have out of date, prejudiced views that need confronting and destroying.
A healthy balance will be eventually struck, but until then
TLOU2 killed off a beloved character or portrayed them in a shit way, which is something current media like Star Wars has been doing, women being portrayed like men (abby), nonbinary bullshit in the game and overall on how they handled characters like Ellie. And again look at the response on devs reacted to the negative response to the game as well. Which is why I said inside and outside of the game. Lol, as if what they're doing in those games isn't a western world view made by white men.I'd believe any of this if ANY suggestion of inclusion in video games wasn't met with kneejerk teeth-gnashing by folks. Look at threads where people go out of their way to find small insignificant updates that make the gaming space more open for people and the kinds of overreactions occur there (see the recent WoW thread about datamined Dragonflight character options). Take the following post:
The only thing any of those titles has in common is that they present a (Westernized) view of the world that isn't dominated by White characters. I struggle to think of ANYTHING in TLOU2 that felt "pandering" as it relates to diversity beyond it including a female antagonist that had masculine features and is now a meme because she wasn't "hot enough" and was specifically designed to not be "marketable" (read fuckable) first.
I guarantee you not a single academic describes "being woke" as such. You've basically crafted a definition that puts you in a good light and folks who describe themselves as "woke" on the backfoot.
As far as I know, there barely is any 'woke' stuff in most actual videogames.
Once again: I'm going to need OP's clear, definitive definition of "woke." Then I'm going to need to know how that's a problem in games / media.Woke and politics. And you can't work out for yourself the "problems" that may come with inserting these constructs? This shit has so much context en nuance needed in specific examples.
Sorry my English isn't good.
I'm out.
Heh im sorry bud but I dont get your point!I was cutting you some slack because the only other reason would be that you’re a garden variety racist.
What country do you reside in?Heh im sorry bud but I dont get your point!