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Phil Spencer: Starfield being 30fps is a "creative choice", not a hardware issue.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Where did they say that.
Gaf's armchair developers are always on the case lol.
It's the same game / engine just with cloudier clouds lol, they didn't change the game engines or make the world or mechanics any more complex.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
But that's exactly the issue, the GPU was much more powerful and it had much more RAM, but the CPU was a much smaller improvement (perhaps even worse than the Cell in some ways). Hence, games that couldn't very easily double the framerate.
BlackTron
Gold Member
I have been running Halo Infinite on Series X at 120 frames, what are you talking about
Edit: unless for some reason you thought I meant Halo CE on original Xbox, in which case WHY lol
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
No, that's not at all what he said.
HawarMiran
Banned
people saying this looks better than HFW? CALM THE FUCK DOWN
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Gaf's armchair PR departments are always on the case as well.
Fbh
Member
I mean he is right in that every single current gen game could be 120fps if that's what devs decided to focus on.
The "creative choice" isn't having the game running at 60fps and deciding to lock it to 30. The creative choice is making a game with a scope that's too big for current consoles to run at consistent 60fps.
With that said it IS still a hardware isuse.
Also I still think they should offer a 60fps mode with some scale back settings, even if it isn't a locked 60fps give players the choice.
The "creative choice" isn't having the game running at 60fps and deciding to lock it to 30. The creative choice is making a game with a scope that's too big for current consoles to run at consistent 60fps.
With that said it IS still a hardware isuse.
Also I still think they should offer a 60fps mode with some scale back settings, even if it isn't a locked 60fps give players the choice.
R6Rider
Gold Member
Yeah that's my point. People are arguing between CPU limitations and others are arguing about having to harshly tone down the graphics and visuals.
I worded it horribly lol
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Not to my knowledge.didn’t they previously claim there was a 60fps mode on Xbox they’d show off?
I understand what Phil is saying. Obviously it's a hardware issue in the sense that more powerful hardware could run it faster, but developers still make creative choices about what they want to accomplish and how to use that hardware.
When a game is GPU bound, it's easy to make lower res performance modes that can bring the framerate up. But Starfield might bottlenecked by the CPU, which makes it much harder to scale, and means that the kind of sacrifices needed could extend beyond simple image quality stuff.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
nemiroff
Gold Member
Well, anything can looking better without the trash art that game has.
Am I doing it right?
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Haha, you said Halo so my brain immediately connected to Combat Evolved. Sorry!
Same.
Gudji
Member
My 10 year old computer with an outdated CPU and weak ass gpu will run this shit at 60 fps I guarantee. Runs callisto protocol with ease, no sweat.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
mrqs
Member
Being PS5 only doesn't mean the game was made for PS5. It's the same game, version of the engine, pipelines etc. If you expect that the next Naughty Dog game will have a 60fps mode, I would suggest you think again.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Too right mate. Any time Phil says something, the counter-attacks are always ready in seconds.
Gudji
Member
The Last of Us Part I says hello.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
RoadHazard
Gold Member
You don't seem to understand CPU vs GPU bottlenecks. If the game is CPU limited, that is the excuse.
SHOULD it run at 60? Yes, but that's an issue with their engine.
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bender
What time is it?
Object persistence is too important to them.
mrqs
Member
That was made on The Last of Us Part 2 engine.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Xbox Head Phil Spencer Says He Prefers Higher Frame Rates on Xbox Series X Over Resolution
Phil Spencer has said that he wants the Xbox Series X to make for better gameplay experiences, not just ones where there are "more pixels up on the screen."www.dualshockers.com
GHG
Gold Member
This is true but I'm pretty sure we will see some people getting 60fps (or at least close to) on equivalent PC hardware in terms of the CPU spec.
Redfall for example:
So I'm not sure what they are even doing with their consoles anymore.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Starfield is literally Gamebryo. The same engine generation after generation. Keep going with them goalposts.
Is this a Phil Spencer 3rd person persecution complex for your bbe boi?Too right mate. Any time Phil says something, the counter-attacks are always ready in seconds.
Anywho, they did let us know, so there's that at least,
We'll let you know if Starfield doesn't have 60 FPS, says Phil Spencer
Phil Spencer says Xbox and Bethesda will let the community know wether or not Starfield has 60 FPS mode on Xbox Series X|S consoles.
www.altchar.com
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Not the character models, but the environments and lighting? Hell yeah. Honestly I wasn’t expecting starfield to look this good, they’ve clearly put in some work this past year. Those shots of the player walking on different planets with different atmospheres looked crazy good. I like how saturated HFW looks but idk man, seeing the sunset on a gas giant just hits different.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Game looks really cool, not going to lie. There is no chance I will play a game at 30 FPS anymore and I will hold Sony to the same account if they release a first-party title with no modes to choose from. So again they have failed to get me into their ecosystem. If they bumped flight sim up to 60 on Series X I would probably buy one but no, that still appears to be impossible but I can understand that more.
What absolute lies to say it is a creative decision, cannot believe the brass neck on this dude.
What absolute lies to say it is a creative decision, cannot believe the brass neck on this dude.
HawarMiran
Banned
why are you so parasocial bruh?Too right mate. Any time Phil says something, the counter-attacks are always ready in seconds.
SCB3
Member
Hey guys guess what game came out this year at a locked 30fps and I consider it one of the best games ever made, thats right Zelda TotK, so this being at 30fps doesn't bother me as I'll no doubt be playing on Xbox Series X anyway
For the ambition this has, I was super impressed with how well it looked to be running, of course its Bethedsa so who fucking knows with the end product (Fallout 4 was buggy as on Launch) but yea as long as its fun I don't care right now
For the ambition this has, I was super impressed with how well it looked to be running, of course its Bethedsa so who fucking knows with the end product (Fallout 4 was buggy as on Launch) but yea as long as its fun I don't care right now
sankt-Antonio
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“ It’s a creative choice. We obviously have games that are running at 4K/60 on the platform. It’s not a platform issue, it’s a creative decision.”
That’s literally what he said.
oldergamer
Member
you guys are making nothing out of nothing
HawarMiran
Banned
I disagree, but this is a subjective matter anyway. I am not saying Starfield looks bad. I am excited to play it on PC someday. too much on my plate right now
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Have you seen my tag? it's not parasocial bruh.
Anywho, they did let us know, so there's that at least,
We'll let you know if Starfield doesn't have 60 FPS, says Phil Spencer
Phil Spencer says Xbox and Bethesda will let the community know wether or not Starfield has 60 FPS mode on Xbox Series X|S consoles.
See.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
I want to play this on a console (prefer it, and my pc is not good enough either). Will wait for performance mode patch or next console gen. I miss nothing and will get it at 60fps at some point.
Can’t stand 30 fps in flight or fps games.
Can’t stand 30 fps in flight or fps games.
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DeaDPo0L84
Member
60fps is objectively better for any game regardless of genre. Of course it suits certain game types better than others but to say that it'll be running @ 30fps due to a "creative" decision is straight up delusional. Maybe instead of fidelity and performance modes consoles can now have "creative" or "actually playable and enjoyable" modes.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
cReAtIvE cHoIcE
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
What he saying is that clearly the hardware is capable of running games at 4K60, as other titles have shown.
But creatively they decided instead to push the visual envelope, scale, FX, etc. and prioritized that rather than prioritizing a 60fps experience.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
If that was the reason, Hellblade 2 might be 24 FPS, and Redfall would be 120 FPS.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Ar¢tos
Member
Since when is the position of objects not being rendered stored in the cpu?
Isn't that what memory/log files are for?
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Todd Howard:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
In that case, shouldn't the visuals be something that we have never seen before?
This generation, we already have several way better-looking first-party and third-party games than Starfield (visually) that even run on 60 FPS.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They had a different creative vision. What else.
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