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[solidus12]

Xbox Era gave Redfall 8.5/10

 

[twilo99]

What about the ‘journalists’ that work for neutral publications that Xbox have compromised via free gifts and nudes of Klobrille?

Sony doesn't do that?

 

[Banjo64]

Sony doesn't do that?

Jim Ryan wouldn’t give his burning mother his piss.

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Been having a great time with this game, my only real complaint is the horrible local map. I get lost constantly

 

[GHG]

Sony doesn't do that?

Is this a serious question?

Jim Ryan quite literally shits in the mouth of playstation fans. The same goes for Nintendo and their treatment of their fans/fansites.

 

[nicoGec]

Opencritic holding on until the 4/10 drops

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony doesn't do that?

Not as frequent, I remember when Felecia Day (I think it was) went on Kinda Funny, or maybe another podcast, and spent a while ranting how she is no longer a PS fan because they are stingy with giving out "free swag, games and consoles," but that MS gives them out like Halloween candy (paraphrasing) so she is more of a fan for them now.

 

[Raven117]

Not as frequent, I remember when Felecia Day (I think it was) went on Kinda Funny, or maybe another podcast, and spent a while ranting how she is no longer a PS fan because they are stingy with giving out "free swag, games and consoles," but that MS gives them out like Halloween candy (paraphrasing) so she is more of a fan for them now.

Ha, gotta appreciate the honesty at least

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ha, gotta appreciate the honesty at least

Wish I can find the video. It's been posted here several times over the years. The other hosts looked like they were sweating bullets with her rant.

 

[dotnotbot]

I think Sony used to be super generous with handing out review copies and goodies during late PS3 - early PS4 times but not anymore.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think Sony used to be super generous with handing out review copies and goodies during late PS3 - early PS4 times but not anymore.

Remember Adam Sessler's drug fueled meltdown because Sony would not give them a free personal PS4 when they were ready to launch?

Can't believe that was 10 years ago already!

 

[twilo99]

Is this a serious question?

Jim Ryan quite literally shits in the mouth of playstation fans. The same goes for Nintendo and their treatment of their fans/fansites.

Maybe now they are, since they have an established business and it doesn't matter that much, but I bet they were much "nicer" 10-15 years ago when they were trying to get things going..

If xbox ever gets to that level of success, you won't see them being as aggressive.. there will be no need for it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I agree that's how it should be done, but I find it hard to believe that 89 out of 94 reviews are 90+. Are turn based games that popular and 95% of review sites love them. I'd have thought 50/50 of liking turned based games.
It must just be me.

Pokemon is one of the most popular gaming franchises in history and Final Fantasy had been the most popular global console RPG franchise for decades.

There seems to be this narrative that turn-based isn't in line with modern gaming, but I'd argue that it absolutely is.

We've had action games since the start, but RPGs have always had their place.

 

[mejin]

I think It Will drop to 84 on meta.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

My personal review is


I've been playing it on xss, not bad at all..

Still hovering around 8-8.5/10 for me

Will be trying it out on the S as well; in this case probably not a bad way to go considering there doesn't seem much difference between the S and X versions visually or framrate-wise.

Been playing for a couple of hours and man the intro is so meh... it's too early to come to conclusions but based on what I've played so far I'd say the 7s and 8s seem to be on point.
People say it starts to get real good after 12 hours so I'm going to put some effort into it but overall the technical level, polish and design demonstrated so far doesn't feel like one of those sublime games you get from time to time, which is a shame.

Seriously get a fucking new engine - I pray the day some big developer with more technical chops decides to make a "bethesda game" maybe they'll move their ass for real.

Btw I think Todd Howard might be the voice of Dr. Wynn if not he sounds very similar.

That is a big hang-up for me; 12 hours is equal to two solid weekend afternoons. I don't want to spend 12 hours having a ho-hum experience with a game just to hope it eventually gets good. Even for an RPG, things should start clicking in well before the 12-hour mark, no matter how "big" the game is.

FWIW a game with a slow start isn't even the issue, it's that the slow start should still be engaging at some level. Guess I'll see for myself how those early hours are.

Appreciate the shout-out.

I think now that the consensus out there is that the review scores, both critic and user are both disappointing across platforms, that we can now shift this conversation to whether these lower-than-expected reviews will have an impact on sales performance of both GamePass and Xbox Series.

We're going to see how this game individually ranks in sales, but also if the Xbox Series was able to outsell the PS5 in September and/or October (Forza).

I think we can all see where things are trending and they aren't positive, but a lot of this will depend on the performance of Spider-Man 2, which I expect due to the response to Starfield is likely to be user review bombed, but also could be in itself disappointing on critical acclaim. I think Spider-Man 1 would have done better if the Mary Jane missions weren't in there and some of the more annoying side quests, but Spider-Man 2 needs to do more than just remove those.

Starfield won't do much anything for Xbox sales this month, or especially in October. They may get a soft bump but nothing to put them over PlayStation or Switch in unit sales, though possibly over Switch in hardware revenue. At least for September.

Meuplaystation
Play Magazine
Psxbrasil
PSU
LaPS4
Press Start
Push Square
PSX Extreme
PlayStation Lifestyle

I was mistaken on Dualshockers, so the total I can find is nine.

How much do those sites weigh towards the aggregate though? And how many of them have podcasts or members active on other forums to make a bigger platform for conspiracy theories for reviews of PlayStation exclusives, the way XboxERA does and has done for Starfield?

 

[NickFire]

Sorry if posted already since this Tweet is over a week old but is IGN trying to prove something after so many attacked them over their Starfield review?

Is this a "We really do like Xbox" Tweet?

I think in the actual Starfield review they had a box with excerpts from their glowing Fallout 4 review. Definitely felt like they were trying to get ahead of the anticipated attacks.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Appreciate the shout-out.

I think now that the consensus out there is that the review scores, both critic and user are both disappointing across platforms, that we can now shift this conversation to whether these lower-than-expected reviews will have an impact on sales performance of both GamePass and Xbox Series.

We're going to see how this game individually ranks in sales, but also if the Xbox Series was able to outsell the PS5 in September and/or October (Forza).

I think we can all see where things are trending and they aren't positive, but a lot of this will depend on the performance of Spider-Man 2, which I expect due to the response to Starfield is likely to be user review bombed, but also could be in itself disappointing on critical acclaim. I think Spider-Man 1 would have done better if the Mary Jane missions weren't in there and some of the more annoying side quests, but Spider-Man 2 needs to do more than just remove those.

With Spider-Man 2 in October, no way does the Xbox outsell PlayStation. It would have to totally bomb (and I mean bomb, not just a mere disappointment here or there).

Heisenberg007

Agree 100% on the review score stuff.

 

[Bernoulli]

I think It Will drop to 84 on meta.

Wich reviews are missing or not finished?

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

6 Xbox-dedicated sites
3 different IGNs
3 Brazilian sites
1 site that hasn't even given a rating yet (and has already said it can be at most a 6 out of 10)

 

[Topher]

Not as frequent, I remember when Felecia Day (I think it was) went on Kinda Funny, or maybe another podcast, and spent a while ranting how she is no longer a PS fan because they are stingy with giving out "free swag, games and consoles," but that MS gives them out like Halloween candy (paraphrasing) so she is more of a fan for them now.

I think it has been well established for quite some time that Xbox influencers are treated exceedingly well by Microsoft.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

With Spider-Man 2 in October, no way does the Xbox outsell PlayStation. It would have to totally bomb (and I mean bomb, not just a mere disappointment here or there).

Heisenberg007

Agree 100% on the review score stuff.

I mean at this rate, I'd be stunned if it outsells it for September..., but if it can't outsell it in October with Forza and Starfield and Spider-Man comes out on the 20th... that's a big problem.

 

[twilo99]

Will be trying it out on the S as well; in this case probably not a bad way to go considering there doesn't seem much difference between the S and X versions visually or framrate-wise.

DF said this about BG3 on the PS5

"- PS5 version "does the job" for gamers without a high end gaming PC."

The same exact thing applies here with the xss, in fact, its even better snice the game actually runs at 30FPS and doesn't seem to have loading issues.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

DF said this about BG3 on the PS5

"- PS5 version "does the job" for gamers without a high end gaming PC."

The same exact thing applies here with the xss, in fact, its even better snice the game actually runs at 30FPS and doesn't seem to have loading issues.

Good to hear, but do you know how big the download size is for Series S? Believe it or not this might put me off from playing it; I'm deathly afraid of pushing up the data cap (wish data caps didn't exist; I should switch to Verizon 5G for that).

A Reddit post said it's 86 GB packed; I would hope it's at least a bit smaller than that. These games are supposed to be smaller this gen, not larger. The SSD I/O was supposed to help a ton with better compression and less duplicated assets. Unfortunate for games like this that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[twilo99]

Good to hear, but do you know how big the download size is for Series S? Believe it or not this might put me off from playing it; I'm deathly afraid of pushing up the data cap (wish data caps didn't exist; I should switch to Verizon 5G for that).

A Reddit post said it's 86 GB packed; I would hope it's at least a bit smaller than that. These games are supposed to be smaller this gen, not larger. The SSD I/O was supposed to help a ton with better compression and less duplicated assets. Unfortunate for games like this that doesn't seem to be the case.

Its ~100gb installed on mine but I don't remember what the download size was.

ver. 1.7.23

 

[Montauk]

3 different IGNs

This is a nothing argument.

It’s three different writers, working under 3 different editors. They are different outlets and they’ve produced different reviews.

They are fully valid reviews. Let it go.

 

[Bernoulli]

Good to hear, but do you know how big the download size is for Series S? Believe it or not this might put me off from playing it; I'm deathly afraid of pushing up the data cap (wish data caps didn't exist; I should switch to Verizon 5G for that).

A Reddit post said it's 86 GB packed; I would hope it's at least a bit smaller than that. These games are supposed to be smaller this gen, not larger. The SSD I/O was supposed to help a ton with better compression and less duplicated assets. Unfortunate for games like this that doesn't seem to be the case.

If I were you and not eager to play I would wait a little longer until some updates improve the game
In November or later

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Its ~100gb installed on mine but I don't remember what the download size was.

ver. 1.7.23

Hmm...well shit. Maybe I'll stream it first and see if I like it enough to download.

What ever happened to compartmentalized downloads of games this gen? That was supposed to be something else to happen thanks to SSDs, so I'm just confused why it's not implemented here (or, TBF, most other games so far this gen). Like I said, I live by data caps and let's just say a couple other people with me don't understand how data caps work .

One reason I prefer PlayStation TBH; you can still get physical copies of games and the game data's on the disc itself, outside of any Day 1 patch.

If I were you and not eager to play I would wait a little longer until some updates improve the game
In November or later

Possibly. But the Xbox's already here, I have the weekend free. The game can't be that bad at current and I'm just playing to see how I like it in about 8 hours over the weekend.

If I'm not feeling it on Saturday then I'll just spend Sunday messing around and seeing how stuff in the game works compared to...ahem...a certain other open-world 1P game. You know, stuff like physics, character animations, NPC A.I, visuals etc.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Down to 85/100 on MC for the Series X version.

It might end at 82-83

 

[twilo99]

Hmm...well shit. Maybe I'll stream it first and see if I like it enough to download.

What ever happened to compartmentalized downloads of games this gen? That was supposed to be something else to happen thanks to SSDs, so I'm just confused why it's not implemented here (or, TBF, most other games so far this gen). Like I said, I live by data caps and let's just say a couple other people with me don't understand how data caps work .

One reason I prefer PlayStation TBH; you can still get physical copies of games and the game data's on the disc itself, outside of any Day 1 patch.

Ye if you have a data cap 100gb is a big hit, but you should also check on the data usage while streaming and make sure it’s not eating too much. I don’t think they give you an option on quality so you can save if you want, it’s kind of “best quality available” I think and I have no idea how much it eats per hour

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Ye if you have a data cap 100gb is a big hit, but you should also check on the data usage while streaming and make sure it’s not eating too much. I don’t think they give you an option on quality so you can save if you want, it’s kind of “best quality available” I think and I have no idea how much it eats per hour

Yeah it's sounding like streaming might be the way to go. I know Starfield isn't a native 4K; on Series S I think the internal resolution is like 840p or something like that going by some posts I've seen. But I'm guessing they would upscale that to 1080p for streaming to the S, I can roughly figure out the bandwidth from there. And that would be without accounting for any codec compression on xCloud's end, which would lower the bandwidth consumption.

Latency and input lag would be the bigger issues potentially; if it's too bad I don't think I'd be able to give sound judgement or especially do a comparison from just streaming the game.

 

[[Sigma]]

Context is important in this case.

PlayMagazine hasn't been publishing reviews for years now, if I'm not mistaken. So you can take that one out as well. The rest hardly gives any unfair high scores to PlayStatio n games -- unlike those Xbox centric websites and how they favor XGS games unfairly.

Here are a few examples; I took images of the first 2 Sony games I could spot on each reviewer's profile.

Look at how their critic review scores match the avg. metacritic score. Sometimes they are even lower than the avg. score. This isn't the case with Xbox-centric websites.

MeuPlayStation

Psxbrasil

PSU

LaPS4

Push Square

PSX Extreme

PlayStation Lifestyle

As an active member of PushSquare, I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as those xbox sites nor the PlayStation ones despite them being PlayStation centric.

 

[DeepEnigma]

As an active member of PushSquare, I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as those xbox sites nor the PlayStation ones despite them being PlayStation centric.

I've seen a lot of very critical articles towards Sony by them for years now. You usually don't see that from other pom pom sites.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Funny enough, user score on Steam (via SteamDB) deflated to 75 (and will deflate during the weekend by the looks of it). So even if the game will end up in the low 80's it still be somehow above the tame and muted audience reception.

I'm wrapping my time with the game (70+ hours and saw almost every man-made quest judging by the guides) and 75 Steam Score sits just about right, in all honesty. It's a game of many glarin flaws and fundamental issues, but still with it's moments of brilliance and still engaging Bethesda loop. Too bad due to inflated PR and too many ambitions and obligations for the outside gamer it looks like a slightly wet fart, pardon my French.

Last time in 1st party AAA space I had same time and feeling with Days Gone that I've found resolve and interest to finish not on PS4, but on PC. Plz don't kill me.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Funny enough, user score on Steam (via SteamDB) deflated to 75 (and will deflate during the weekend by the looks of it). So even if the game will end up in the low 80's it still be somehow above the tame and muted audience reception.

Looks like it’s currently 80% on Steam.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Looks like it’s currently 80% on Steam.

SteamDB is way more robust and faster at updating the data than Steam client.

 

[SmokedMeat]

SteamDB is way more robust and faster at updating the data that Steam client.

Never messed with Steam Database, but it doesn’t update as quickly because Steam is currently showing 47,351 reviews total compared to 46,282 on Steam Database.

So Steam is the more accurate score with an extra 1,069 reviews accounted for.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Never messed with Steam Database, but it doesn’t update as quickly because Steam is currently showing 47,351 reviews total compared to 46,282 on Steam Database.

Steam rating is currently counting only 29,318 reviews in it's weighted score due to review bombing protection and stuff. It's usually slower than SteamDB algorithm but in the end lands pretty close to it.

 

[sendit]

Xbox Era gave Redfall 8.5/10

Zero shame.

 

[Mr Moose]

Wish I can find the video. It's been posted here several times over the years. The other hosts looked like they were sweating bullets with her rant.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

6 Xbox-dedicated sites
3 different IGNs
3 Brazilian sites
1 site that hasn't even given a rating yet (and has already said it can be at most a 6 out of 10)

There's 56 scores on there.

Getting your knickers in a twist because 3 are from Brazil, 6 are from Xbox sites and 3 are from IGN is probably not worth anyone's time. Definitely not worth you highlighting and colour coding them, oh my god, this game has absolutely broken some people around here.

 

[BrunoCoel]

I love that the review thread got locked on REEEE because people were spreading truths

 

[Topher]

She set a world record for cringe and entitlement in that one video.

 

[Mr Moose]

She set a world record for cringe and entitlement in that one video.

Updated it with better quality/full video.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

There's 56 scores on there.

Getting your knickers in a twist because 3 are from Brazil, 6 are from Xbox sites and 3 are from IGN is probably not worth anyone's time. Definitely not worth you highlighting and colour coding them, oh my god, this game has absolutely broken some people around here.

I think it's funny that Brazilian outlets got Microsoft's attention; we rarely see any of our news websites being mentioned.
Another amusing thing is that 6 is approximately 10% of the scores presented, which indicates some desperation for good reviews.
In the end, not the transformative, once-in-a-generation experience promised by some crazy dudes.

 

[Topher]

I love that the review thread got locked on REEEE because people were spreading truths

Eh....you sure? Sounds like a whole bunch of opinions to me.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"7 free Xbox's"
Seeing a certain pattern here.

 

[yazenov]

"7 free Xbox's"
Seeing a certain pattern here.

Sony and Nintendo don't need "influencers" to sell their console because their quality 1st party games sell themselves with good reviews and word of mouth.

On the other hand, MS needs to buy these people in order to compensate for the lack of games (and the lack of demand as a result). It's pretty pathetic.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony and Nintendo don't need "influencers" to sell their console because their quality 1st party games sell themselves with good reviews and word of mouth.

On the other hand, MS needs to buy these people in order to compensate for the lack of games (and the lack of demand as a result). It's pretty pathetic.

Buying the top third party publishers too. Mo money, mo problems.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

I love that the review thread got locked on REEEE because people were spreading truths

got banned... again
because I explained what Tom has being doing lmao

 

[splattered]

I still haven't been able to start the game yet so i have no personal opinion on it... but i find it pretty funny that we are over 100 pages on this game's review score alone with countless front page threads bickering about different aspects of the game and its engagement. Even if this game is a shitty 60% bottom dweller it still has succeeded in getting people to non stop think/talk about it this entire week and who knows for how long into the future. Already seeing some amazing mods/articles and stuff. Hopefully i can get around to playing it this weekend so i can see for myself.