Saint Gregory
Member
I don't get this either, infact several times it's lead to publishers getting my money twice when I doubled dipped on the domestic release.
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Only 1 PSN account per Vita - Cancel your preorders :(
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One can only hope.
Yeah, we have seperate profiles, friends, trophies and online stuff. If there is online multiplayer, we want our own profiles for that. If it is easy to reset and start up a new profile all the time, I guess it won't be a big deal. And I'd just let my brother use my profile if I had to, but it didn't seem that unreasonable to think we'd be able to have our own profiles. I mean if you and your family all share a profile that is fine, but we like to do our own progress on games particularly for online multiplayer and stuff like that.
As someone who is fluent in Japanese, I can say that it isn't an iffy translation. The words used are clear, and in addition to that, the words used already have a meaning in terms of the PSP. It won't change.
panama chief
Member
time to read some manuals. never heard of the V lock.
Saint Gregory
Member
Sorry, it was a martial arts joke (and clearly a bad one)
Eh. Doesn't really make me regret importing my Vita. I'll have beaten or otherwise been done with any of the games I intend to import by the US release anyway. This is a bit of a pain though, especially whenever I want to revisit the games I imported. Not really a deal breaker for me though, so long as I don't need to reformat the memory card with all my game saves or something.
charlequin
Banned
Sure there is, this is exactly what encryption was invented for.
Although, again, Nintendo is doing just fine so far on the 3DS letting people use SD cards and just making sure their operating system is secure.
Isn't that, like, pretty much the point of systems like trophies? If you care about them even a minuscule amount, you'll want to track your own.
The bigger issue with account sharing, though, is actually with save games. If the Vita ends up anything like previous handhelds in my household, we'll get one early on and then quite a while later get a second so my wife and I can each have our own. If saves are profile-locked, that'd mean that one of us would lose access to all our old saves if we went from playing on the same profile to each having our own. If it was easier to switch profiles on the device we could avoid that, the same way we do on our consoles.
This is also annoying. Right now we buy all digital content on my console profiles for convenience, but it doesn't matter because on PS3 and 360 we can play the games on the HD just fine regardless of what account is logged in. If we buy two Vitas and activating my content on one of them doesn't let my wife play a game under her own account, that's also a pretty big deal for us.
Yeah, I agree. They're all very much what you'd get when one group of very forward-thinking engineers design a system and then a group of short-sighted suits get to redline it before launch.
And, I mean, I really don't mind Sony aiming for profitability in reasonable ways here, but since I don't think the system's success is in any way guaranteed I think soaking people this early on is a pretty big mistake.
This is where I can stay safely away from hyperbole because I never pre-order game hardware! I wasn't planning on getting a PSV at launch and I still don't have a 3DS; now I can just wait them both out until shame and lost profits force both companies to unshit them a little.
I wasn't using hyperbole. This is basically the straw after the one that broke the camel's back. I can wait out Sony on this. As I said before, I'd rather buy 8 games for my 3DS than a new Vita, memory card, and game. There's no reason for me to buy one now when I already have a system to support.
PdotMichael
Banned
I don't know but you could see at the TGS conference the first install needed just 2-3 minutes, if you have already an account.
I don't know about others here but the reason why this aggravates me is because it prevents me from using content from all PSN regions on the same account. So I can't access my friends list, trophies etc.
demosthenes
Member
Someone explain this tome...?
Wouldn't all games be stored on the memory cards along w/ save files?
Wouldn't you just have to take the memory card out?
If you plugged the memory card back in w/ a different PSN account on your games wouldn't show up?
You know, I've been pretty harshly critical about the memory stick issue, the battery life, and choosing ATT as the 3G provider.
But this single account thing is just a non-issue to me. A handheld is a personal device. You suggest Sony should do a better job, but look what we're actually talking about here. Vita is reaching and arguably surpassing feature parity with Xbox Live with no subscription. Vita is a current-gen console in your hand at $250. Nintendo launched a system that struggles to produce PSP-level experiences at $250.
So keep a little perspective, is all I'm saying.
DangerousDave
Member
Yes, there may be encryption, but still, propietary hardware give you a extra layer of security instead of easy copy-write access.
BTW, about the 3G provider, at least in Spain is not exclusive. The "default" 3G provider is Vodafone, but you're still able to put 3G cards of any company.
I don't think - say - your JPN games will show up under your US account, for example. If it works like PSP.
But I think Deadly Monk is wrong in expecting you have to format your mem card. I don't think you do. You have to reset the Vita to factory defaults and start the setup from scratch, but pop out your memory card and it should be untouched. It probably wouldn't be touched anyway in that process. When you log into your JPN account then, any JPN games on your mem stick would be visible I guess.
If games were visible under any account this would be almost a non-issue, since you'd only have to do this resetting to purchase, not play, games. Unfortunately it probably does tie content to the purchasing account ala PSP and not to the machine ala PS3.
I believe the games won't work on the different region. So if you buy a USA game, you need the USA account activated to play it. Want to play a Japan game download, you need the Japan account on.
That is my understanding of it. Could be totally wrong
That won't work if restore default settings also deactivates content you may have downloaded.
Essentially, it would prevent users from accessing PSN content from a region outside of the one the account was created in.
I'm not sure if this is how it works, but it's possible.
Yes but you can only access one store of the other, and that's that... I think.
IonicSnake
Banned
Not surprising, at least the games on the cards are regionfree and that's more important to me.
LiquidSolid
Member
Including downloading all your trophies? Because that can seriously take 30-50 minutes on PS3 if you've got a lot of them. I experienced it a couple of times myself earlier in the year when my PS3 YLOD'd.
It's a personal device, and I have two personal accounts. I buy things from NA and JP PSN on a regular basis, and being able to do this has become extremely important to me over the time that I've owned a PSP and a PS3. I've bought some content on PSN expressly because I want to be able to use it on the Vita, on BOTH of my accounts, and I want to be able to play JP and NA Vita content in the future.
This "lol personal device/one account I don't get ittt" stuff is just willful ignorance of use cases other than your own.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
This isn't a big deal to me other than the region locking issue for downloadable stuff which I hardly ever care about anyways.
That being said can anyone tell me when we've gotten good Vita news lately? It seems like the closer we get to launch the more bad stuff comes out about the system.
That being said can anyone tell me when we've gotten good Vita news lately? It seems like the closer we get to launch the more bad stuff comes out about the system.
entremet
Member
What about DLC?
charlequin
Banned
Sorry, I didn't mean it was necessarily hyperbolic for you specifically, just that "omg canceling preorder!" has a tendency to lean that way. By never preordering myself, I can avoid getting into a situation where I'm having to decide whether to dump a planned purchase over some crappy news that comes out down the line.
Shrug. We've always shared our handhelds in this household. I'm not going to shell out $500+ right off the bat on the off-chance we both want to play enough games to justify that -- which means getting one and figuring out if we need a second later down the line.
Anyway, it's really the backsliding that irritates me here. If it worked like the PSP it wouldn't actually be that hard to get around, but having to delete settings guarantees it'll be a pain to switch every time and there's no conceivable technical reason for that.
The 3G thing is way less of a waste-of-money feature in Europe than the US, definitely. Like I said, I bear no ill will to Sony about that -- the problem is just that wireless infrastructure and pricing is hella butts in the US.
I think really the solution is to make it possible to play multiple regions games on the same account. It doesn't matter as much with the PS3 because it has multiple user accounts, but I don't really see why Sony wouldn't want people buying more games to play for their system. Are there legal aspects I'm missing? How is it different really from region-free discs on the PS3?
This multiple account stuff just seems overly complicated for anyone that isn't a hardcore gamer.
DangerousDave
Member
Yep. I'll go for the 3G version and try to get a copy of my iPhone sim, that already has 3G inside.
Just got this from Japanese PSN, what does it mean. Is it saying account is tied to card? If so it'll solve this issue.
Supported Media
PS Vita other cards in the body used?
Yes you can. However, please note the following points.
■ Saving Data
If the data type to store the saved PS Vita card, continued to play well, you can delete the data related to the application, you can revert to the factory.
Any type or saved to a memory card to store data, you can set with the memory card had been played, the more you can play. (Even if a different memory card, but not play the more you can play from the beginning.)
■ trophy
If you sign up to play PlayStation ® Network account and sign up with the same account in another body, you can earn the trophy.
If you have not signed up, you can revert to the factory default PS Vita card, a trophy will be able to earn the save data will be lost.
If you have a body if you start the first game is set in the PS Vita card in its body, sign up for PlayStation ® Network, please give your account information to the PS Vita card string. Then, when you sign up with the same account in another body, it is known that the same player who started the first game, will be able to win the trophy.
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Supported Media
PS Vita other cards in the body used?
Yes you can. However, please note the following points.
■ Saving Data
If the data type to store the saved PS Vita card, continued to play well, you can delete the data related to the application, you can revert to the factory.
Any type or saved to a memory card to store data, you can set with the memory card had been played, the more you can play. (Even if a different memory card, but not play the more you can play from the beginning.)
■ trophy
If you sign up to play PlayStation ® Network account and sign up with the same account in another body, you can earn the trophy.
If you have not signed up, you can revert to the factory default PS Vita card, a trophy will be able to earn the save data will be lost.
If you have a body if you start the first game is set in the PS Vita card in its body, sign up for PlayStation ® Network, please give your account information to the PS Vita card string. Then, when you sign up with the same account in another body, it is known that the same player who started the first game, will be able to win the trophy.
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Is there any other gaming network which even allows you to download content outside your region?
He'd have to use DLC on an account from whichever region the game comes from.
Steam, via gifting.
I think you're missing the point. For the millions of potential customers who rarely fly/take the train/take the bus the vita is competing DIRECTLY with my ps3/360/Gaming PC. The fact that it's portable really is only a bonus for the 2/3 times a year I fly, and the 1/2 weekends I'll spend at my girlfriend's parents house and I can't sleep.
If Sony released some impractical ridiculous add on for the ps3 that let you play vita games at 720 P on my ps3 for like 50/60$ without buying a vita? I would be much more likely to buy that and the handful of games I'll ever want to play for it like Uncharted/persona 4 remake. Have zero interest in any of the touch/back touch/gyro features anyways.
charlequin
Banned
Letting people play games from multiple regions enables price arbitrage: if your local regional branch likes to point and laugh at you over their outrageous markup (cough Australia cough), unfettered access to online markets lets you buy digitally from whichever storefront gives you the best post-currency-conversion price and thereby makes Sony as a whole less money. This is why companies region-lock in the first place.
Sony seems to have (wisely, IMO) realized starting with PSP that the transactional costs of importing (finding a place to buy overseas, getting a payment method, paying extra for shipping, waiting forever for it to arrive, etc.) make this sort of arbitrage unappealing to the vast majority of consumers for physical products, but I personally suspect that it's still too much work for most consumers to do this digitally unless the pricing is really just completely outrageous.
Dead Prince
Banned
after checking my second PSN account. while there are some games bought on there it's mostly mini. and the ps1 titles like Grandia FFVIII and mostly ps3 games it won't be a huge loss. I only have 1 game bought on the JP account (Malicious) so i think this won't bother me with one account (i can just rebuy the games if i feel like it anyways)
So does that mean a different account can play content on your Vita? Their content or your content?
Someone with good Japanese would be helpful there. If it was the latter it would be an improvement.
edit - Well, it can't be that you can just log in with another account, if you could do that the point would be moot, but the FAQ in the OP is clear. So I dunno
sonikokaruto
Banned
Just get two 119 dollars memory cards! It's that easy!
If someone points me to the Japanese text, I can help.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Who cares
Your post has nothing to do with this thread.
I hope this is sarcasm, lol.
I think a lot of people are reading the title, and thinking it's impossible to play other region PSN content or something.
Why?
You can use both accounts on the a single 4gb memory card.
Why?
You can use both accounts on the a single 4gb memory card.
Doh. Yeah I completely missed different pricing models/exchange rates. Does Microsoft not have this problem with region-specific stores as well? Or do they totally just lock you out of them totally?
Some people seem to be confused between the word queue and cue. A queue is a line or sequence of something. A cue is giving someone a signal to do something. So I think you're looking for cue
. Sorry to veer off topic and I'm sure I've made a grammatical mistake which negates this part of the post .charlequin
Banned
I think Android is actually the current mobile leader in multiple-account flexibility. IIRC, on iOS you can sync a device to multiple accounts but you can only change which account the on-device App Store is connected to by resyncing; on Android you can enable multiple accounts on the device and access all of them. (I have no idea how this stuff works on Windows 7, it might also be similarly flexible.)
I also don't know how GameCenter (which might be a better comparison point here) works with multiple accounts -- can you set up different players on an iPad and switch between them?
Miscrosoft and Sony are pretty much equivalent in terms of digital region lock on consoles. (That is, one account per region and jump through hoops to access the stores, but it's possible)
What? Last I checked the appstore was completely region locked. (As is the Android marketplace for that matter)
The only hoop is to create an account for the other region.
I guess that's a hoop, but a very painless one as it's so fast and easy.