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Rayman Origins PC - March 29 - Retail copy no DRM, Steam copy no 3rd party DRM

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faceless007

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Am I the only one who just throws all my games into one of these? I have every game I've bought since the '90s in a binder I bought in ~2003 and they're all in great condition. I never need to take them out except when installing (~once every 2 years) so there's virtually no danger of damage and I don't need to worry about it. If you're keeping discs lying around loose or stacked in breakable jewel cases on a high shelf you're doing it wrong.

I guess some people are just bad at keeping stuff protected.
 
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Version 3.0

Member
ctrayne said:
Or accidentally drop them, or lend them to a friend, or have a kid that gets in your stuff, or an earthquake knocks over your shelf. Don't be dense.
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DVDs aren't so fragile as that. Drop them all you want, they'll be fine. My friends don't scratch the stuff I lend them. Kids can be taught - my nephews don't break my stuff - or kept out of your things. My DVDs didn't suffer even though the racks have been tipped over a few times, once actually was an earthquake. No scratches.

I can't speak for you, but I have an incredibly easy time taking care of my games/movies/music. In 18 years, I've never lost a disc to scratches.
 
Sentenza

Sentenza

Member
faceless007 said:
I guess some people are just bad at keeping stuff protected.
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Yes, I am.
Apparently I'm very bad at preserving my old stuff, as I'm the kind of person who can't never find the disks of an old game when they are needed.
So, yeah, there's that. It's another reason why I'm growing quite fond of DD.
 
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jim-jam bongs

Member
SapientWolf said:
Like a chargeback on your payment?
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I don't think there's a single business which would behave differently, chargebacks aren't taken lightly by credit-card companies and can interfere with the ability of an entity to do business. Also, it's not like you might "accidentally" issue a chargeback and have your account locked out, you have to actively go to the trouble of issuing a chargeback via your financial institution. As opposed to clicking the "support" link and trying to sort it out with Valve first and foremost.

faceless007 said:
Am I the only one who just throws all my games into one of these? I have every game I've bought since the '90s in a binder I bought in ~2003 and they're all in great condition. I never need to take them out except when installing so there's virtually no danger of damage and I don't need to worry about it. If you're keeping discs lying around loose or stacked in breakable jewel cases on a high shelf you're doing it wrong.

I guess some people are just bad at keeping stuff protected.
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I've moved at least five times since I bought a lot of my games, things tend to get damaged when you're moving. And optical media deteriorates over time regardless of how you treat it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

By all means stuff all of your optical media into a soft case to protect them, but if you want a guarantee that the data will still be available in 10 years you should dump the ISO.
 
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SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
jim-jam bongs said:
I don't think there's a single business which would behave differently, chargebacks aren't taken lightly by credit-card companies and can interfere with the ability of an entity to do business. Also, it's not like you might "accidentally" issue a chargeback and have your account locked out, you have to actively go to the trouble of issuing a chargeback via your financial institution. As opposed to clicking the "support" link and trying to sort it out with Valve first and foremost.
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Sometimes your credit card company or PayPal goes through the trouble of doing that for you. They're proactive like that.
 
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SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
jim-jam bongs said:
So you're saying that sometimes your credit-card company or PayPal will issue a chargeback without your consent?
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Yeah. This can and has happened. Hilarity ensues.

I'm not even going to make the argument that it's a likely scenario. It's just a feasible one. I only want people to consider the full ramifications of tying all your PC games to DRM that can be used to revoke your access to them at a whim.
 
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Tailer

Member
Oh god I hope that everyone that agreed/suggested to put up such a stupid DRM gets fired at Ubisoft. Urk sucks for all the developers to work for such a**holes.
 
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ezodagrom

Member
I don't like the sound of this:
HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS IS REQUIRED TO ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES, PLAY ONLINE OR UNLOCK EXCLUSIVE CONTENT. SUCH CONTENT MAY ONLY BE UNLOCKED ONE SINGLE TIME WITH A UNIQUE KEY. UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONE OR MORE SPECIFIC ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT WWW.RAYMANORIGINS.COM. This video game is protected by the digital rights management software SOLIDSHIELD from TAGES S.A.S which limits the amount of concurrent installations of the game. During the installation and/or the first launch, an online connection is required to unlock the game.
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http://uk.gamesplanet.com/buy-download-pc-games/Rayman-Origins-2792-14.html

I don't understand why it is the digital copy that has DRM and the retail copy doesn't...Ubisoft...
 
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Nymerio

Member
Yeah, I'm not going to buy this. Hopefully non of you will either, that's the only way they'll ever learn. I don't think I'd even care anymore if they just left pc gaming.
 
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MRORANGE

Member
there is a demo on steam:


Chesskid1 said:
rayman origins demo was added to my steam list.

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750MB, gogo!

steam://install/207510
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Eusis

Member
Interesting, the Steam storepage doesn't list DRM. I hope that's NOT just from it being out of date or not fully read.
metareferential said:
I'm wondering if this will work with 3D vision. Would be cool.

Guess it's time to download that demo.
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I'd think you were crazy were it not for Virtual Boy and 3DS games showing how neat that looks on a 2D, sprite based platformers. Wouldn't count on it though.
 
Psy-Phi

Psy-Phi

Member
Nymerio said:
Yeah, I'm not going to buy this. Hopefully non of you will either, that's the only way they'll ever learn. I don't think I'd even care anymore if they just left pc gaming.
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Buying the fuck out of this. I don't care about DRM, and haven't for years, because I never have a problem with it. I used to be up in arms back in the Starforce days but even then I personally didn't have a problem. It's been long enough....maybe if I had issues I'd care, but eh, if it works for me it should work for everyone because I'm not using a special computer.
 
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scitek

Member
Psy-Phi said:
Buying the fuck out of this. I don't care about DRM, and haven't for years, because I never have a problem with it. I used to be up in arms back in the Starforce days but even then I personally didn't have a problem. It's been long enough....maybe if I had issues I'd care, but eh, if it works for me it should work for everyone because I'm not using a special computer.
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The issue is that DRM doesn't work. It does nothing to prevent piracy, and only causes people that actually pay for the game trouble. It took me ten minutes the other day to be able to start up Batman: Arkham City after a format because my internet went out and I had to activate it and then connect to Games for Windows Live's servers and update. That's after an 18GB download, and the fact that it already uses Steam as DRM.
 
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chiablo

Member
The only DRM I've had a problem with has been L.A. Noire. I am a victim of the stupid "Synchronizing" bug where it constantly tries to connect to the Rockstar Social Club and never lets me into the game.
 
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Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
scitek said:
The issue is that DRM doesn't work. It does nothing to prevent piracy, and only causes people that actually pay for the game trouble. It took me ten minutes the other day to be able to start up Batman: Arkham City after a format because my internet went out and I had to activate it and then connect to Games for Windows Live's servers and update. That's after an 18GB download, and the fact that it already uses Steam as DRM.
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It's especially comical that they are releasing a version without DRM. This means there is literally 0 effort needed to crack it as Ubisoft has already done it for them.

I don't know who runs their PC business, but this individual needs to lose their job. This is someone whose destiny in life is to ask one very important question: "Would you like fries with that".
 
Psy-Phi

Psy-Phi

Member
scitek said:
The issue is that DRM doesn't work. It does nothing to prevent piracy, and only causes people that actually pay for the game trouble. It took me ten minutes the other day to be able to start up Batman: Arkham City after a format because my internet went out and I had to activate it and then connect to Games for Windows Live's servers and update. That's after an 18GB download, and the fact that it already uses Steam as DRM.
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There's an infamous saying, my father would say in cases like this: Tough titty said the kitty.

I've had 99 problems, but DRM ain't 1 in over two decades of PC gaming. 10 minutes of trouble is on the short end of a problem. Of course, the problem wouldn't exist without the DRM, so sure I would prefer it not to be there in the first place. However, if I have to choose between playing a game I have anticipated for many months, or ignoring the release due to DRM that in the grand scheme of things won't stop me from playing it anyway. I'll be buying it, thanks. The fact that I can buy it DRM free is nice, but I like the convenience of digital distribution too much too.

I suppose, if you have a problem with DRM, buy it retail. Perhaps it will send a message to UBI? I doubt it given how much they give a shit about PC releases. The only thing that might speak is if they get a million sales. And I know that won't happen.


Sinatar said:
It's especially comical that they are releasing a version without DRM. This means there is literally 0 effort needed to crack it as Ubisoft has already done it for them.

I don't know who runs their PC business, but this individual needs to lose their job. This is someone whose destiny in life is to ask one very important question: "Would you like fries with that".
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Good point. It's pretty retarded.
 
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Eusis

Member
Psy-Phi said:
Buying the fuck out of this. I don't care about DRM, and haven't for years, because I never have a problem with it. I used to be up in arms back in the Starforce days but even then I personally didn't have a problem. It's been long enough....maybe if I had issues I'd care, but eh, if it works for me it should work for everyone because I'm not using a special computer.
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I'm willing to compromise, I'll admit. But "you have 3 activations then you're locked out, forever, and changing hardware counts" is unacceptable, further worsened by the fact retail doesn't have it (and, I fear, may be exclusive to Europe). I'd been waiting on the Vita release anyway, and given how highly praised that port ultimately was and just how nice the demo looked I'll stick with that. May've even without DRM, one moderate sale is all it takes to cost the same, but this makes it easier.
 
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epmode

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Regarding this DRM, I'm not even worried that I'll lose an internet connection. I'm worried about what will happen when the TAGES authentications servers are closed down because I guarantee it'll happen before Steam dies.

Sinatar said:
It's especially comical that they are releasing a version without DRM. This means there is literally 0 effort needed to crack it as Ubisoft has already done it for them.
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The only people who will be affected by the DRM in any way are legitimate DD customers. Retail users are perfectly able to let friends borrow the disc to install on another computer. It's insane.



That said, the Steam page doesn't list any DRM. Maybe we got lucky?
 
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ColR100

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Sutton Dagger said:
Is anyone else not able to download the Demo on steam, I'm clicking on the damn button but nothing is happening?
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If it's in your Game Library (which for some odd reason it automatically was for me), then right-click the entry and click Properties. Then tab over to Local Files and click 'Verify Game Cache.'

Should then start downloading.
 
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Sutton Dagger

Member
ColR100 said:
If it's in your Game Library (which for some odd reason it automatically was for me), then right-click the entry and click Properties. Then tab over to Local Files and click 'Verify Game Cache.'

Should then start downloading.
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Oh weird, you're right it was automatically in my Game Library, downloading now. Cheers.

Does anyone know if it supports resolutions greater than 1920x1080?
 
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rallyart

Neo Member
ColR100 said:
If it's in your Game Library (which for some odd reason it automatically was for me), then right-click the entry and click Properties. Then tab over to Local Files and click 'Verify Game Cache.'

Should then start downloading.
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Thanks, works great.
 
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Corto

Member
So it does seem that those stores that had the game listed with TAGES drm were just using a placeholder after all? Steam page for the game doesn't list any drm.
 
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delta25

Banned
Some people are so damn fixated on a DRM they've forgotten that an incredible game is coming to their platform of choice. Regardless of some kind of apparent DRM issue, this is a game that can not be missed. PC gamers, for the sake of playing games...buy this game, you wont regret it.
 
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dk_

Member
Uninstalled the demo, but I still have a Rayman Origins entry in my library. How can I remove that?
 
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Corto

Member
delta25 said:
Some people are so damn fixated on a DRM they've forgotten that an incredible game is coming to their platform of choice. Regardless of some kind of apparent DRM issue, this is a game that can not be missed. PC gamers, for the sake of playing games...buy this game, you wont regret it.
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Ubisoft DRM is one of the most obtrusive in the industry. Always on requirements, servers in maintenance barring you from playing your games (single player ones!), a nightmare. Ubisoft making this experiment with Rayman without no drm is a step in the right direction and a sign that some people at Ubi know what they're doing and maybe there'll be changes in their support to the platform. You're right anyone that is interested in this game should buy it to show Ubisoft that no drm is the way to go. The possibility (not yet completely denied) that the retail version would be free from drm and the downloadable one wouldn't was just completely crazy.
 
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delta25

Banned
Corto said:
Ubisoft DRM is one of the most obtrusive in the industry. Always on requirements, servers in maintenance barring you from playing your games (single player ones!), a nightmare. Ubisoft making this experiment with Rayman without no drm is a step in the right direction and a sign that some people at Ubi know what they're doing and maybe there'll be changes in their support to the platform. You're right anyone that is interested in this game should buy it to show Ubisoft that no drm is the way to go. The possibility (not yet completely denied) that the retail version would be free from drm and the downloadable one wouldn't was just completely crazy.
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I can understand the angst PC gamers have towards Ubi and their shit DRM but for god's sake don't overlook an amazing game just because of a few problems on the part of Ubi and their craptastic DRM.
 
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Exuro

Member
Can't get the demo to work on steam. Says to do the conversion to a new format and then says that I don't have a subscription. Can't delete local content for some reason either so it's just stuck in my library.

EDIT: restarting steam did the trick.
 
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epmode

Member
delta25 said:
I can understand the angst PC gamers have towards Ubi and their shit DRM but for god's sake don't overlook an amazing game just because of a few problems on the part of Ubi and their craptastic DRM.
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It's the only way they'll learn.
 
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Atomski

Member
ColR100 said:
If it's in your Game Library (which for some odd reason it automatically was for me), then right-click the entry and click Properties. Then tab over to Local Files and click 'Verify Game Cache.'

Should then start downloading.
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I get some crazy error about it being a different version and needs updating. When I select ok it fails. :/ guess I will try later...
 
Psy-Phi

Psy-Phi

Member
Eusis said:
I'm willing to compromise, I'll admit. But "you have 3 activations then you're locked out, forever, and changing hardware counts" is unacceptable, further worsened by the fact retail doesn't have it (and, I fear, may be exclusive to Europe). I'd been waiting on the Vita release anyway, and given how highly praised that port ultimately was and just how nice the demo looked I'll stick with that. May've even without DRM, one moderate sale is all it takes to cost the same, but this makes it easier.
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That limit has almost always been bs though. Remember when Spore came out? IGN did a test of installs to see if it was true, because people were in an uproar. I believe they had installed it 5 times even though they should have been limited to 3.

And I know I've instaleld Spore more than that by now. Desktop, Desktop formatted, laptop, macbook, desktop formatted, macbook formatted.
epmode said:
It's the only way they'll learn.
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The only lessons they'll take from people not buying it is it was pirated too much, and/or PC gamers just don't' want these games.
 
Sentenza

Sentenza

Member
For some strange reason I can't download the goddamn demo.
I keep pushing the download button and nothing happens.
 
metareferential

metareferential

Member
Tried the demo with 3D vision; while it's still not rated by nvidia, it works pretty good. Especially if you have a good 3D display like the Sony HMZ T1 or a acer/optoma 3D pj (so to avoid crosstalk as much as possible).
 
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iavi

Member
Just gave the demo a run. I was only able to manage 1680x1050 on my ol laptop, but the game ran flawlessly, and on an old machine too. I'll be double dipping.
 
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