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[SRTtoZ]

Yeah but I mean, how will you ever know what the developers intentions were with DLC? It's just a matter of how good a company is at lying to you?

You may never "know" but you can pretty much guess. I have a 'feeling' Capcom and EA (Dragon Age2) use DLC as a way to make money on content they would normally have included before the DLC craze. Thats all...

Honestly I dont care that much since if I dont want it I wont buy it, but its insulting sometimes if a company thinks we dont know what they're doing.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You may never "know" but you can pretty much guess. I have a 'feeling' Capcom and EA (Dragon Age2) use DLC as a way to make money on content they would normally have included before the DLC craze. Thats all...

Honestly I dont care that much since if I dont want it I wont buy it, but its insulting sometimes if a company thinks we dont know what they're doing.

But you don't know, you said so yourself

Before the DLC craze, Capcom just released "updates" as full games. Would that be a better alternative?

 

[erlim]

I will wait for the cheaper version in six months with more content. If everyone did this then we'd have the content for free on day one. At least Capcom are predictable.

I actually typed on the disc day one but realised they are. SMH.

This is crazy if you think about it---the disc in six months will be the EXACT SAME DATA as the version now; only it will be unlocked and free to use. Weird. Unless they add 12 more characters or something.

 

[SRTtoZ]

But you don't know, you said so yourself

Before the DLC craze, Capcom just released "updates" as full games. Would that be a better alternative?

Lol whats the difference? they STILL do that, and do tons of DLC.

 

[Dmented]

I won't be supporting this game and hope others will not either unless they decide to give the content already on the disc that you paid for, for free.

 

[Orobi]

Crapcom Crapcom...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Lol whats the difference? they STILL do that, and do tons of DLC.

but now you can just buy the DLC separately, instead of having to "upgrade" to a full price game? How is that not better than the "good old days"?

 

[Papercuts]

but now you can just buy the DLC separately, instead of having to "upgrade" to a full price game? How is that not better than the "good old days"?

The new iterations were rebalanced, this is just adding characters on top of it. Not really the same at all.

 

[TDLink]

but now you can just buy the DLC separately, instead of having to "upgrade" to a full price game? How is that not better than the "good old days"?

To be fair, anyone that plays competitively still is going to need to "upgrade" everything just so they, at least, know the match-ups.

 

[K.Sabot]

Competitive community should just tourney ban them right now because:

1. It prevents people who will hack it to get an advantage at dlc launch.

2. Sends a message to competitive players that they don't have to buy the DLC and support this.

I'm almost positive this will become a dilemma in the coming weeks, so might as well squash it now.

 

[Skilletor]

To be fair, anyone that plays competitively still is going to need to "upgrade" everything just so they, at least, know the match-ups.

I can fight against the characters without purchasing them.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The new iterations were rebalanced, this is just adding characters on top of it. Not really the same at all.

And you're paying as much. The big selling point of those iterations was the new characters though. The playable bosses in CE/Turbo and the "New Challengers" in Super.

 

[SRTtoZ]

but now you can just buy the DLC separately, instead of having to "upgrade" to a full price game? How is that not better than the "good old days"?

Its the same shit, different day. Maybe the prices have gone down but its essentially the same thing. Why did I buy MvC3, then buy the most current version of Ultimate but still not have all the DLC? Again, I'm not against DLC, I actually prefer it over waiting years for sequels of games, but we need to acknowledge they (CAPCOM) are milking their product in every way/shape or form and much more than other developers out there.

 

[Resilient]

The new iterations were rebalanced, this is just adding characters on top of it. Not really the same at all.

Updates to these games will usually bring balance updates also. SSF4:AE was a DLC purchase, and AE:2012 was a free balance update.

 

[vg260]

Its the same shit, different day. Maybe the prices have gone down but its essentially the same thing. Why did I buy MvC3, then buy the most current version of Ultimate but still not have all the DLC? Again, I'm not against DLC, I actually prefer it over waiting years for sequels of games, but we need to acknowledge they (CAPCOM) are milking their product in every way/shape or form and much more than other developers out there.

Hm, that's debatable. Activision w/ map packs, and CoD Elite puts up a good fight.

 

[TDLink]

I can fight against the characters without purchasing them.

If you come across them randomly online, sure. You can't practice against them on your console though, or go into training mode and figure out their moves so you know how exactly they work.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

I won't be supporting this game and hope others will not either unless they decide to give the content already on the disc that you paid for, for free.

Price isn't really the issue for me, it's convenience. I want the characters on disc, unlocked, ready to take over to a friend's house for a quick battle.

I'm one of those people who don't have a problem with yearly updates, and would have bought this game day 1 if it was a 38 character roster, capped without DLC, and I could buy a retail update next year if Capcom wanted to jam another 12 characters in there. That's a year of gameplay on an even keel with the rest of the online userbase. But having to buy characters in a couple of months to stay competitive? Being unable to use those characters at a friend's house? Forget about it.

So I'm with you in boycotting the game. Companies need to start learning the market sets the price, not them. If you don't have the budget for 50 characters in the game, don't put them in there. There are other fighters on the market I can play for $60 or less. I'm not about to encourage Capcom to continue making $80/$100+ games.

 

[vocab]

Vote with your wallet. I do my part with every game, but people eat this shit up so they keep making it.

 

[hamchan]

Hm, that's debatable. Activision w/ map packs, and CoD Elite puts up a good fight.

What's wrong with the map packs and CoD Elite?

 

[LowParry]

Vote with your wallet. I do my part with every game, but people eat this shit up so they keep making it.

Find me a better method of protesting. In the mean time, I buy what looks like fun and I'll enjoy. DLC or not.

 

[Dmented]

Price isn't really the issue for me, it's convenience. I want the characters on disc, unlocked, ready to take over to a friend's house for a quick battle.

I'm one of those people who don't have a problem with yearly updates, and would have bought this game day 1 if it was a 38 character roster, capped without DLC, and I could buy a retail update next year if Capcom wanted to jam another 12 characters in there. That's a year of gameplay on an even keel with the rest of the online userbase. But having to buy characters in a couple of months to stay competitive? Being unable to use those characters at a friend's house? Forget about it.

So I'm with you in boycotting the game. Companies need to start learning the market sets the price, not them. If don't have the budget for 50 characters in the game, don't put them in there. There are other fighters on the market I can play for $60 or less. I'm not about to encourage Capcom to continue making $80/$100+ games.

Right, I find it sad people seem to have forgot that and just blindly go with whatever. It's like people think their input doesn't matter because they're not the developer/company. Remember: You make and break these guys. You tell them what you want, not the other way around.

 

[abstract alien]

Hmmmm, I wonder what Namco does in the regard for Tekken X Street Fighter. I don't believe there was any DLC at all for Dark Ressurection or T6. Maybe they will make you pay for half the SF characters as part of the fusion between the two.

Vote with your wallet. I do my part with every game, but people eat this shit up so they keep making it.

My problem is that I can't ever deny a great game. I want to boycott this shit so bad, but I just cant due it actually being a high quality product. Well it seems to be anyway. Sigh, I'm pretty much part of the problem in that sense, I suppose.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

Find me a better method of protesting. In the mean time, I buy what looks like fun and I'll enjoy. DLC or not.

Halfway house. Buy used and skip the DLC.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

Hmmmm, I wonder what Namco does in the regard for Tekken X Street Fighter. I don't believe there was any DLC at all for Dark Ressurection or T6. Maybe they will make you pay for half the SF characters as part of the fusion between the two.

I hope Namco are smart enough to release the game in arcades to subsidise any shortfall in home sales. Capcom don't even bother anymore. That's half their problem right there.

 

[The_Endgamer]

Well this isn't really an issue for me.

If i like the game and want more characters and more maps that's brilliant i'm sure to purchase DLC when it's available. If it comes day one on the disc as well, then i don't see what the problem is.

I buy pre-owned games all the time and because of it many developers have gone bankrupt. Buying a map pack, a few characters or something that is purely aesthetic for a game is the least i can do to support an industry i don't want to see die.

All you whingers aren't entitled to free content no matter how long you might follow a franchise or publisher. The fact is if you don't buy DLC and always buy pre-owned games then your not contributing to the publishers and developers that keep you entertained at all.

It's sort of a low blow to those developers if you can't fork out a few dollars for their product and trade for it.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Pacman and Megaman playable on 360
lol

And there goes away the "exclusivity"... lol

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Capcom, not really surprised. Still shady as hell. Will be passing on this game. I'd say I will wait for TekkenxSF but Namco probably won't do much better. If you don't like this crap just vote with your wallet.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Waiting on the pc version for sure now. Cheaper and chance all characters will be in and unlocked. If not I'll consider waiting on a Deluxe edition disk that have all the DLC and stay compatible with the normal version. Something like Fallout 3 GOTY editon.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

All you whingers aren't entitled to free content no matter how long you might follow a franchise or publisher. The fact is if you don't buy DLC and always buy pre-owned games then your not contributing to the publishers and developers that keep you entertained at all.

I never buy preowned for anything that's not out of print. Pretty rich the guy who buys pre-owned "all the time" lecturing us about not supporting publishers who keep them entertained.

Capcom are free to entertain me at a price point of $60. Neither keeping them afloat or getting them rich are my concern or responsibility.

 

[Crub]

I don't support this, but why is this worse than day one DLC that is not on the disc?

 

[Yagharek]

I don't support this, but why is this worse than day one DLC that is not on the disc?

for the previous 25 years of gaming, you got the content on the disc, cart or tape by playing the game. Not paying more and more for it.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I don't support this, but why is this worse than day one DLC that is not on the disc?

To be on the disk and in this condition (fully playable it seems) the content had to have been finished a long time ago (I'm not sure when it went gold). At least day one DLC could have the illusion of being tuned slightly after the game went gold.

Edit: and the above. It shows the company making the game holding back on the product you bought. In capcom's case they probably feel they have this market locked. The demand is high enough and they can just give us a portion without trying win sells at their best (Witcher 2 dev seems to do their best this for example). Same thing with the alt costumes practice they started in SF4. I couldn't believe they did it, especially since they moved to 3d which is easier to make the new costumes than having them for 2d characters. Tekken, SC, MK, and VF all do this for free. Well did, I think SC started selling alts?

 

[deim0s]

I can't believe what im reading, accessing hidden content on a disc you paid for is now considered stealing. No wonder this generation is fucked.

Because people starting to publish things that are not officially out yet.

 

[Hayeya]

for the previous 25 years of gaming, you got the content on the disc, cart or tape by playing the game. Not paying more and more for it.

The BLeak Videogames future:

60 $ buying a game in the future gives you:
- 3 lives (extra life costs 1 $)
- 3 continues (extra continue costs 5 $)
- 10 hours cap playing time (each extra 1 hour costs 2 $)
- Endings, movies, sidequests, extra characters, new game +, replaying the game are of course not free and prices will be announced later.

Enjoy your game Suckers.

A loan from the bank is required for a demons souls game in the future.

 

[desu]

Because people starting to publish things that are not officially out yet.

Don't put it on the disc if you don't want it published.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Don't put it on the disc if you don't want it published.

Yep, capcom screwed it up not the youtube uploaders. The uploaders aren't under NDA.

 

[Teknoman]

I like Dominos since they changed their shit however long ago that was. You are a fucking crazy person if you enjoy little caesars. Or drunk. Crazy or drunk. Those are the two little caesar options.

EDIT: I like pizza hut, too! Fuck you guys. Shit is about to get real heated in this thread.

The 3 meat pizza at Caesars is not that bad.

 

[LightofRohan]

I understand it. Companies have budgets and if you want to add in more content then you can pay for you either scrap it, or make it extra pay for content. It's the price we pay for having very nice looking games with high fidelity everything.

 

[Yagharek]

The BLeak Videogames future:

60 $ buying a game in the future gives you:
- 3 lives (extra life costs 1 $)
- 3 continues (extra continue costs 5 $)
- 10 hours cap playing time (each extra 1 hour costs 2 $)
- Endings, movies, sidequests, extra characters, new game +, replaying the game are of course not free and prices will be announced later.

Enjoy your game Suckers.

A loan from the bank is required for a demons souls game in the future.

A true cynic after my own heart.

Keep a copy of this post. It will be eerily accurate in 5 years I bet. Reminds me of the motto: cheer up, the worst is yet to come.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I don't support this, but why is this worse than day one DLC that is not on the disc?

The worst thing I see is that hackers/pirates are getting this content months in advance compared to legit owners. Hell, I bet people who hack it will master these characters by the time they actually release.

Of course, it's worse because you're going to be essentially paying way more than the worth of the content presented.

 

[Brera]

Capcom,

I know you are reading this so I'll tell you the thought process of someone who loves your fighting games.

Bought SF4 and SSF4 day one.

Intended to buy MVC3 day one but after arcade edition, decided to wait for the follow up instead as it looked to me that the game was unfinished in terms of content. Never got round to buying ultimate MVC3 as they started the pr for SFvT and decided to get that instead. Now it seems that you're pulling the same trick with this game so it looks like I spend more time waiting then playing.

Will get SFVT preowned to warm up for SSFVT in November.

You just lost 2 sales!

 

[narcosis219]

I don't understand this outrage.

1) 38 characters. Really? This isn't enough for you? Numbers of characters shouldn't really be a metric of how good a fighting game is, really. Anyway:

The back of the box will advertise 38 characters. You agree to pay $60 for said 38 characters and the rest of the game with all its other features.

No where did I read that SFxT was 50 characters. It has always been advertised as a 38 character package.

2)Let's suppose there wasn't DLC on the disc. Then 6 months later, they release a new DLC character. EVERYONE HAS TO DOWNLOAD THIS CHARACTER so that they can play against them online EVEN IF THEY DON'T OWN IT. Problem is, the mandatory patch for the game now includes DLC characters inside, sucking up bandwidth and no one is happy about it. Are you going to argue now that the DLC purchase is "just an unlock code"? Everyone has a copy of these characters on their system regardless if they paid for the DLC or not.

Let's switch over to our scenario. DLC characters up for sale 6 months later. NO ONE HAS TO DOWNLOAD THE CHARACTERS. Bandwidth saved.

3)HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF THEY HAD JUST KEPT THEM OFF THE DISC?

In both cases, you pay for the DLC characters. In one case, you have to download a bigger patch. THAT IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. WHY ARE YOU ALL MAD?

4) I'm not a Capcom fanboy. But please, look to many other modern games. DLC is everywhere. If you have a problem with this game, you have a problem with DLC in general. This isn't an isolated case of Crapcom greed. DLC exists everywhere else, and guess what? A LOT of it is already included in your discs! Better quit gaming now because every game will have locked content on the disc.

Orrrr, you can just not get mad over the fact that it is "on the disc" and realize that it has 0 effect on your enjoyment of the game. Unless of course having shit on a disc is the sole reason of your enjoyment of a game, then I guess it sucks to be you.

 

[Gokurakumaru]

1) 38 characters. Really? This isn't enough for you? Numbers of characters shouldn't really be a metric of how good a fighting game is, really.

This has nothing to do with roster size and everything to do with paying $60 for an incomplete game.

- Unlike SFIV, SSFIV, etc. you won't get 12 good months of playtime before you're being disadvantaged against the online competition if you don't pay more money. So you're effectively paying $80-$100 for that shiny new fighting game. Roster doesn't look so big in that light.

-Unlike SFIV, SSFIV, etc. there is no opportunity to wait for a "complete" edition if UMvC3 is anything to go buy, because the characters will still be DLC in any future editions.

- And unlike SFIV, SSFIV, no matter what version you buy you will not be able to take it to a friends house and have the full roster at your disposal. Even if you paid the outrageous DLC prices. For a versus game designed for playing against your mates, that's a lousy deal no matter how you slice it.

 

[narcosis219]

This has nothing to do with roster size and everything to do with paying $60 for an incomplete game.

- Unlike SFIV, SSFIV, etc. you won't get 12 good months of playtime before you're being disadvantaged against the online competition if you don't pay more money. So you're effectively paying $80-$100 for that shiny new fighting game. Roster doesn't look so big in that light.

-Unlike SFIV, SSFIV, etc. there is no opportunity to wait for a "complete" edition if UMvC3 is anything to go buy, because the characters will still be DLC in any future editions.

- And unlike SFIV, SSFIV, no matter what version you buy you will not be able to take it to a friends house and have the full roster at your disposal. Even if you paid the outrageous DLC prices. For a versus game designed for playing against your mates, that's a lousy deal no matter how you slice it.

Define incomplete?

Let's pretend the 12 don't exist. Oh wait, you're right, SFxT can't be played anymore.

Can I take SSFIV to my friend's house and play it? Yes. But I can't play AE2012. Same thing.

Game company wants to make money. Stop the presses!

 

[Kayo-kun]

Well this is why I have stopped buying games filled with DLC on the disc which we should get for free. Gotta love those people who support these kinds of methods and even try to defend them. Good job ruining the game industry by supporting this and letting game companies disrespect the fans more and more.

 

[AKingNamedPaul]

Steve fox, yo

 

[LowParry]

Well this is why I have stopped buying games filled with DLC on the disc which we should get for free. Gotta love those people who support these kinds of methods and even try to defend them. Good job ruining the game industry by supporting this and letting game companies disrespect the fans more and more.

Pee. Bowl. Cheerios.

 

[Hayeya]

Define incomplete?

Let's pretend the 12 don't exist. Oh wait, you're right, SFxT can't be played anymore.

Can I take SSFIV to my friend's house and play it? Yes. But I can't play AE2012. Same thing.

Game company wants to make money. Stop the presses!

Man chill out,,, to each his opinion,,, a lot dont like to pay for something that is already on the disk and i am one of them,,,,,
Imagine buying a new car with a new music player that's not playing mp3, but this model plays mp3 because its manufactured to play them , but the trick to make it work is that you have to pay the company to activate it to you,,, sux no ?

 

[MrBeggar]

Curious about how Troll Ono and PR Yes-man Seth are going to spin the unfinished characters promo angle as we now see this has been debunked and their PR is full of bs.

Then again i think Seth's been full if it since r.g.v.a./alt.games.sf2, but that is another story.

 

[narcosis219]

Man chill out,,, to each his opinion,,, a lot dont like to pay for something that is already on the disk and i am one of them,,,,,
Imagine buying a new car with a new music player that's not playing mp3, but this model plays mp3 because its manufactured to play them , but the trick to make it work is that you have to pay the company to activate it to you,,, sux no ?

There's business for you.

You know what? Your computer is capable of more things than you can imagine. It can do photo editing and complex simulation. Is paying for software now a rip off too? Those things should be free because you paid for the computer right?

Your car radio analogy doesn't work. If you agree to get a music player that plays CDs, and it could be reprogrammed to play MP3s, it's a rip off? I guess ALL electronic devices are a rip off then! They should give you all possible permutations of firmware to you. You are entitled to it. You paid for that microprocessor and it should be able to do everything that it possibly can for the single price that you paid.