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Has any bad guy in history been nerfed to this level? (warning: GIFs)
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This was after upgrades whcich explained why they were tougher for neo to fight. Never made sense.
Yeah, I guess you're right. The queen's personal guards were probably pussies anyway.
XiaNaphryz
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catashtrophe
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Predator.
Went from an almost unstoppable badass slim creature doing stealth kills in the heat and kicking ass and ripping out spines
To this bulky mess wearing bulky crap armour, getting slapped up by Aliens and needing the help of a women
Disgusting
Went from an almost unstoppable badass slim creature doing stealth kills in the heat and kicking ass and ripping out spines
To this bulky mess wearing bulky crap armour, getting slapped up by Aliens and needing the help of a women
Disgusting
BattleMonkey
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Well in AVP:R they basically retconned those predators to be noobs. A real Predator had to come lay the smack down after their failure.
PhoncipleBone
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Shame. Because after that (well, the specials after that) you get to series 5, which is awesome.
Predator.
Went from an almost unstoppable badass slim creature doing stealth kills in the heat and kicking ass and ripping out spines
To this bulky mess wearing bulky crap armour, getting slapped up by Aliens and needing the help of a women
Disgusting
That reminds me, the Xenomorphs' blood got even more nerfed later in the series. In Alien: Resurrection, it was barely even mentioned, and in AvP it was so weak that it could be applied directly to the forehead without burning through more than skin.
I know it doesn't quite fit the thread's intent.clone troopers are not storm troopers, there is 1 very big difference
trinity had already killed an agent, neo proved their shit could get wrecked straight up in a fight. Agents lost a lot of the ohshit factor because they were suddenly losing, defeating them seemed possible all of a sudden. besides, its not like the normal good guys ever fought an agent and won.
Harry Dresden
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How much of this is actually powercreep from the protagonist rather than nerfdom of the bad guys?
The alien Praetorian guards are actually the biggest and deadliest xenomorph.
The Chaos Gods in Warhammer 40k tabletop canon have been torn to shreds, as to dumb them down for the majority kiddy market of the tabletop game.
Originally, they were Lovecraftian Outer God-like entities, representing entire concepts of reality as much as their emotional concepts (such as Tzeentch representing change, as well as the emotion of hope). They were unknowable, terrifyingly powerful, and hinted to operate on a multiversal scale and not just the galaxy of the setting.
Now? They're basically D&D reject dark gods. They've been given humanlike personalities, humanlike agendas, and so on. They've also made them significantly less powerful; originally, they were essentially omnipotent within the confines of the Warp (and that was fine, since they could never leave the Warp), but now you have canon situations such as a Grey Knight getting banished to the Warp...only to go around and start killing greater daemons on their home turf.
Note, before this canon change, anything that went into the Warp unprotected was driven insane, torn apart, etc. - and that is when they were lucky.
Originally, they were Lovecraftian Outer God-like entities, representing entire concepts of reality as much as their emotional concepts (such as Tzeentch representing change, as well as the emotion of hope). They were unknowable, terrifyingly powerful, and hinted to operate on a multiversal scale and not just the galaxy of the setting.
Now? They're basically D&D reject dark gods. They've been given humanlike personalities, humanlike agendas, and so on. They've also made them significantly less powerful; originally, they were essentially omnipotent within the confines of the Warp (and that was fine, since they could never leave the Warp), but now you have canon situations such as a Grey Knight getting banished to the Warp...only to go around and start killing greater daemons on their home turf.
Note, before this canon change, anything that went into the Warp unprotected was driven insane, torn apart, etc. - and that is when they were lucky.
Yeah, a giant in a purple skirt would've actually looked movie-breakingly ridiculous.
Galactus already looks ridiculous as is in comics.
Messofanego
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You guys have to go DEEPER into history:
Satan, The Devil, the corrupter of humanity, destroyer of souls, challenger of GOD:
And now:
You should watch Reaper, the tv show. Only had 2 seasons, but Ray Wise is the best Satan. Makes every chance for the protagonist to win hopeless.
To elaborate more, take Battle For LA. In the beginning of the movie, they move out with a squad of Marines, and roughly 3 aliens take out half the squad. After the Marines sustain some casualties, it takes 6 of them to take down 1 alien.
Cut to the bus scene, and further more the last battle, there are like 4 Marines, and they are taking out guys in 2-3 shots left and right including alien air support.
Stuff like that doesnt make sense. It's not like their bullets get stronger or the alien armor weekends. For some reason they just start dropping like flies.
Anton Sugar
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Xenomorph blood is the whole reason that the aliens escape in Alien: Resurrection.
However, what's BS is it hardly burns through the disabled dude's leg, and seems to burn extremely slowly through that dude's face.
BladeoftheImmortal
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If I remember correctly, they made it make sense because they opened up an alien body to find out where the best spot was to kill it.
My Answer:
Darth Vader and The Emperor were nerfed to shit in the Star Wars: The Force unleashed games. If memory serves, they are supposed to be two of the most powerful sithlords to EVER exist in that universe and Stardoucher jobs both of them while they are double teaming him. Fucking hate what they did to them in those two games. FUCK!
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, but isn't the chest the weak spot? It's like, the biggest target on the enemy. What the hell were they shooting at before? I don't think Marines are told to go for straight head or limb shots.
BattleMonkey
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Nothing has changed about the Chaos gods, they are also pretty much not really encountered in any of the fiction. Daemons are not of any relevance to the gods themselves who still are omnipotent beings that work in their own ways. Over the top stuff like the Grey Knight going into the warp is not really that out there with all the crazy stuff in the universe with space jesus... nor does it realy relate to the chaos gods
It was a very specific spot in the movie, not just the chest in general. Same as hitting just the heart in a human being, it's not that easy on a moving target. What of course is bs is how they all had super aim afterwords to hit that little spot every time it seemed.
They maybe were bad ass, but the whole point of the scene was that Ripley held the nest hostage and the Queen made the guards back off
Quarter not quarters.
Also, yeah, Galactus was a good one, then they sort of restored his badassery during Annihilation and the other cosmic stuff up through Thanos Imperative. I don't know how recent FF stuff has treated him, because I failed to continue reading over the last year.
Miners not minors.
Also, yeah, Galactus was a good one, then they sort of restored his badassery during Annihilation and the other cosmic stuff up through Thanos Imperative. I don't know how recent FF stuff has treated him, because I failed to continue reading over the last year.
I'm with this. Dune Messiah, wtf?
Yeah you're right. I guess after they lost all that awesome Pre-Empire technology, they had to resort to cloning them the old fashioned way........
DonasaurusRex
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man thats painful to watch Darkseid get smashed by supes....he was the one character that could actually be a threat. At least Lobo has never gotten the nerf bat.
King of the Potato People
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Magus, Chrono Trigger, as soon as he joins the party,
In the boss fight he has 6666HP, he will have 230 normal defence and 132 magical defences against the elements of light, shadow, water and ice. To stand a chance to defeat him you must colour-code magic attacks against him and use the strongest sword, the Masamune.
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He then joined my team with a measly 650 HP, 154 overall defence and barely and no armour's magic defence against the individual magical elements. The whole team struggled to take him down before (possibly twice), and now he's just as vulnerable as anyone else.
Magus, Chrono Trigger, as soon as he joins the party,
In the boss fight he has 6666HP, he will have 230 normal defence and 132 magical defences against the elements of light, shadow, water and ice. To stand a chance to defeat him you must colour-code magic attacks against him and use the strongest sword, the Masamune.
...
He then joined my team with a measly 650 HP, 154 overall defence and barely and no armour's magic defence against the individual magical elements. The whole team struggled to take him down before (possibly twice), and now he's just as vulnerable as anyone else.
That's literally every single RPG boss-turned-ally.
Neuromancer
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I know it's not chronological but from this:
to this:
Pathetic.
to this:
Pathetic.
Kitschkraft
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I know it's not chronological but from this:
to this:
Pathetic.
Heh.
Well, redlettermedia made a decent case for both the Emperor and Yoda being "nerfed" as well, saying that neither should have fought (Yoda was just too magical to be reduced to that, Emperor spams force lightening too much when in the OT he's just toying with Luke).
I disagree that Darth Maul was nerfed, first of all it's difficult to nerf a character that we know so little about, especially their fighting abilities. Also, he was pretty bad ass. Fended off two, killed a master. Barely lost to one of the most renowned Jedi's to have ever lived (High ground or not, he fucked up Anakin) and may have won had he not been such a cocky prick about it.
ConfusingJazz
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You should watch Reaper, the tv show. Only had 2 seasons, but Ray Wise is the best Satan. Makes every chance for the protagonist to win hopeless.
Indeed.
DonasaurusRex
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wait actually he did get nerfed oh well maybe they retconned it tho
I know it's not chronological but from this:
to this:
Pathetic.
Not so much an issue with his power, but definitely a character downgrade. I knew the guy was a ruthless loyal soldier... but a fucken child murderer? Come on...
Sneaky Gato
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What are you talking about? The Chaos Gods still remain supreme within the warp and I certainly can't remember them being given any human qualities recently. And they still represent those qualities and still operate on a large scale given that the spans the multiverse. And wasn't the whole point about Draigo is that they are punishing him by preventing him from returning to the reality and keeping him the Warp where his actions are useless and where he could be squished at any time should they wish so?
Oh, they've been nerfed alright.
All the examples of humans (or other races) doing crazy things in relation to the Warp have been inside the Eye of Terror (or similar locations), which is only part-Warp, part-Real Space. In the past, being inside the actual Warp was a 100% death sentence to aaaaanything that didn't have some sort of absurd protection - I'm talking about Voidship Gellar Fields, the Tyranid's Shadow of the Warp, and so on. Even the C'tan feared going into the Warp, since they knew they could do fuck-all to stop the paintrain that'd come down on them, as their powers can only manipulate our reality.
The Grey Knight I mentioned literally walks around in the Warp, openly challenging the Chaos Gods' strongest daemons in direct combat, and beats the shit out of them. This goes in direct contrast to what they could do before - in older canon (around 3rd edition), greater daemons could warp reality so hard that they could re-arrange star clusters with a thought inside the Eye of Terror.
This isn't just limited to that example, too. They recently released the Sanguinor, which took on the Bloodthirster that beat Sanguinius in direct combat the first time and punked it. The thing absolutely destroyed what a damned Primarch struggled to defeat at the height of the Horus Heresy.
It's clearly not just Chaos and the Chaos Gods being nerfed, as retarded amounts of power creep from the Imperium are also to blame. The books and the RPGs still treat anything from the Warp as horrifying as they were originally portrayed, as those are not marketed in the same way as the TT is. I can understand GW's decision to dumb down the canon in order to make it more accessible and appealing (Space Marines are the most popular army, so why not make them the strongest in the lore?), but it has been handled really poorly.
KittenMaster
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More on the Boba Fett thing, another reason Jango is a huge buff is because if you remove Boba Fett from the original trilogy, you only have to explain how the empire found Han at Bespin (which could easily be done by it being a part of Lando's betrayal which was how I always thought was the case until I realized it was Boba Fett that notified them).
Removing Jango from Episode 2 would require a lot more changes because he's actually a significant part of the story and directly involved in action scenes. Yes, his reason for existing is probably not in good intention and probably to please Boba Fett fans, but they at least fixed a lot of the issues Boba Fett had.
Removing Jango from Episode 2 would require a lot more changes because he's actually a significant part of the story and directly involved in action scenes. Yes, his reason for existing is probably not in good intention and probably to please Boba Fett fans, but they at least fixed a lot of the issues Boba Fett had.
Not gonna get into every example since this is a villain nerf thread, not a 40k thread, but look at Nurgle capturing Isha, the Eldar Goddess - basically, he's using her as a plaything. Compare that to how Nurgle was portrayed in the Liber Chaotica or similar, Chaos-centric fluff. It's a stark contrast and one I feel does not do the gods justice.
And Draigo might be banished to the Warp as a "punishment", but in old lore, getting thrown into the Warp was a death sentence for anything. It wasn't a physical location - it was the churning, raw psychic culmination of all sentient emotion. It'd be one thing for his spirit to wander the Warp...but he's physically walking around there, physically taking on the strongest daemons (and I mentioned how strong they were in my previous post) on their home turf and beating them. That's something not even a Primarch could do, given that a strong greater daemon in realspace could often stalemate them in combat or force them to expend all their energies.
Mama Robotnik
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Reupped the GIF, sorry about that.
Of course! I think I repressed that entirely. The treatment of the Q was absolutely horrific, if not quite as GIF-able.
In The Next Generation, The Q are portrayed as Space Gods, whose omniscience and supreme powers were beyond human comprehension. Their petty actions in human form were tests, designed to help humankind evolve and survive. Q is the teasing demon, with a benevolent and unseen agenda.
In Voyager, the crew of the titular starship invade the Q Continuum and defeat the Q.
Just to repeat. THE CREW OF THE STARSHIP VOYAGER DEFEAT THE ENTIRE Q CONTINUUM AND FORCE THEIR SURRENDER.
I mean, for fucks sake.
Of course! I think I repressed that entirely. The treatment of the Q was absolutely horrific, if not quite as GIF-able.
In The Next Generation, The Q are portrayed as Space Gods, whose omniscience and supreme powers were beyond human comprehension. Their petty actions in human form were tests, designed to help humankind evolve and survive. Q is the teasing demon, with a benevolent and unseen agenda.
In Voyager, the crew of the titular starship invade the Q Continuum and defeat the Q.
Just to repeat. THE CREW OF THE STARSHIP VOYAGER DEFEAT THE ENTIRE Q CONTINUUM AND FORCE THEIR SURRENDER.
I mean, for fucks sake.
In Buffy Season 7:
Buffy has a hell of a time trying to fight just one of the original vampires. Later on in the season they fight an army of the same vampires with much more ease. I guess it could be explained by the First Evil powering up the first vampire with its essence (like it did with the preacher character).
Buffy has a hell of a time trying to fight just one of the original vampires. Later on in the season they fight an army of the same vampires with much more ease. I guess it could be explained by the First Evil powering up the first vampire with its essence (like it did with the preacher character).
DrForester
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I think the Q thing was less noticeable because Q was already reduced more to a comedy relief thing in TNG. TNG Premier, Finale were the only times Q ever came off as a villain.
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