Devolution
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And I played WoW (shhh I know).
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Has any bad guy in history been nerfed to this level? (warning: GIFs)
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And I played WoW (shhh I know).
I didn't understand why even without shields the aliens weren't able to take over the world. They had multiple mother ships with fleets of fighters. The battle over Area 51 was pretty much the last of the US' air force. So they would then have to take out another like... four ships that are over the US. And they can't kill the mother ship without hitting it as it fires its main weapon. So the aliens should just be like "let's turtle up and let our fighters handle this".
Maybe if they had nuked them all it would make more sense?
But why did they win? Because good humans were on their side.
So much for the OP, we got to the Robotnik of the problem
for Nerfed I'd have to say Robocop in Robocop 2.
Batman in Batman Forever
mcCloud in the sequels, and so on.
ConfusingJazz
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His ideas, however, were still always rejected consistently throughout TNG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs&feature=player_embedded
Doctor Who - The Stolen Earth / Journey's End
The largest dalek fleet ever amassed has conquered entire planets and is about to destroy all of reality (don't ask me why)
....but they forgot to get rid of the control panel IN THEIR OWN PRISON that has a "kill all daleks" button on it.
That is literally how this story is resolved.
Oh russell, why did you even try.
The largest dalek fleet ever amassed has conquered entire planets and is about to destroy all of reality (don't ask me why)
....but they forgot to get rid of the control panel IN THEIR OWN PRISON that has a "kill all daleks" button on it.
That is literally how this story is resolved.
Oh russell, why did you even try.
Winnie the Pimp
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they didn't nerf the borg, they buffed Voyager...
Open Source
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Paul Atreides. Not so much from him being nerfed, but from all the other characters being buffed.
Trent Strong
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Agreed.
Open Source
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His job was to act as the violent, xenophobic foil to Captain Picard's wisdom and diplomatic skill.
And then even when he did get to fight, it was always "our weapons have no effect!"
Blahhhhhh...still love the series, though.
Al-ibn Kermit
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That's how I remember it. Lots of improvements made to Voyager over time and I'm guessing Seven of Nine gave them some valuable intel, I don't really remember that episode. I mean they figured out a way to make a holographic doctor that can have sex, they probably did something really resourceful.
KittenMaster
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Jango is actually a buff compared to Boba Fett.
Trent Strong
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Come to think of it, Species 8472 sure had their attitude, at least, severely nerfed. They were creatures of pure malevolence, and then, in the space of a single episode, they were pretty nice guys all of a sudden.
KittenMaster
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I think it's more difficult to find examples of the opposite where the villains get buffed as time goes on. Like in Neon Genesis Evangelion, the angels only get stronger and the home base keeps getting closer and closer to being obliterated all the while barely getting any new tools to work with (while most anime the main characters tend to upgrade frequently to counter threats). It pretty much takes a miracle and the use of a one-use-only weapon for them to survive every encounter.
staticneuron
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I just can't put it into words. Star Trek's The Borg as originally presented:
The Borg Cube. It was an apocalyptic threat the likes of which the Star Trek universe had never seen. Their fearsome, monolithic vessel could travel across the galaxy devouring the life off all planets in its path. Its unstoppable drones would adapt to all attacks, and force you to endure a mutilating technorape of horrors as they stole from you your flesh and soul. One ship decimated the fleets of the Federation, made its greatest Captain betray his people, massacred tens of thousands and was only defeated in the final hour through the dumbest of dumb luck.
Star Trek: Voyager's take on the most powerful enemy of humanity:
For fucks sake.
Question:
Has enemy enemy been more nerfed than The Borg? Examples please.
It's not that the borg became weaker, it is because the federation had exposure to them over the years and the tech advancements happened very quickly in the ST universe thanks to meeting new species and the sharing of information.
But sidestepping the fact of the difference in tech between the two ships. The crew of the voyager had an alliance with the borg, they had a former borg as a crew member, the built a lab using borg tech. So not only do they have better weapon, the sheer experience and hands on they had with the borg makes the scenarios two different beasts.
You do realize these are the same exact stories. ID4 is a retelling of the War of the Worlds.
Randy Lanzarote
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Not a villain but Neo in the Matrix series.
At the end of the first movie he was a walking god. Nothing could touch him because he controlled the world at the lowest level. He stopped bullets, plucked them out of the air, and killed the most powerful of the agents by exploding him from within. Effortlessly. The world around him literally bent when he flexed.
The next movie he could spar very well and fly but all of those incredible powers were inexplicably gone.
And no, don't fucking say "it was explained in this Matrix Reloaded prequel comic" or some shit.
At the end of the first movie he was a walking god. Nothing could touch him because he controlled the world at the lowest level. He stopped bullets, plucked them out of the air, and killed the most powerful of the agents by exploding him from within. Effortlessly. The world around him literally bent when he flexed.
The next movie he could spar very well and fly but all of those incredible powers were inexplicably gone.
And no, don't fucking say "it was explained in this Matrix Reloaded prequel comic" or some shit.
The Storm Troopers seen in the OT are not the Clone Troopers seen in the PT. They are just random grunts from across the galaxy who have enlisted with the empire. The Clone Troopers were decomissioned by Palpatine a few years after the Clone Wars. And they would have been in their 60s by the time of the PT, as they aged twice as fast as normal humans (in other words, they would have aged over 40 years since the clone wars, where they were already adults)
I'm in the camp that Neo was OVERpowered in the sequels and that removed any potential for drama.
They explain why he can't effortlessly kill agents anymore in the opening fight, though: "Upgrades."
But that just means it takes an extra 30 seconds to beat them by hand.
My first response would be the Daleks from Doctor Who but they aren't so much nerfed as they are the prime example of the "Conservation of Ninjutsu"-trope. 10 Bazillion Daleks in control of a device to bring an end to the "FABRIC! OF! REALITY! ITSELF!"? No problem, just reserve polarity of the neutron flow or some other technobabble. 5 Daleks? Let me flex my muscles and give me a cup of tea. 1 Dalek? RUN, RUN, RUN.
Coppertracks
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Ubervamps in Buffy S7!
The 1st we meet nearly kills Buffy and proves to be nearly impossible for Buffy to stake. Cut to the finale Ubervamps are been killed left, right and centre by the wannabe slayers and ordinary humans.
IIRC Whedon said this was more or less done on purpose to make the final battle more fair or something.
The 1st we meet nearly kills Buffy and proves to be nearly impossible for Buffy to stake. Cut to the finale Ubervamps are been killed left, right and centre by the wannabe slayers and ordinary humans.
IIRC Whedon said this was more or less done on purpose to make the final battle more fair or something.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Nah, this is definitely bullshit. The nerfed Neo good and proper. At the end of the Matrix he could 'reshape the Matrix as he saw fit'.
He understood that none of the blows were actually real. There was no reason whatsoever he would ever have to fight somebody again, because the punches and kicks are just code that he can see with no real force behind them.
No longer could he dive into people and literally rip their code apart.
They nerfed him for the sake of having sequels.
SquiddyCracker
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Haha, I had no idea they ignored Worf this much.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I was like 13 or something when Matrix 2 came out, and even I was shocked by the bullshit nerfing that Neo got in those films. They have a single throwaway line on the topic right at the start during a fight vs some agents - Neo says "... upgrades".
Kuro Madoushi
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Feels weird now going back to watch the films seeing them get shot at while they seem to be casually speaking quite a bit of dialogue to each other during a gunfight.
teruterubozu
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Darth Maul.
Most menacing-looking Star Wars villain actually wasn't shit afterall.
Most menacing-looking Star Wars villain actually wasn't shit afterall.
Spiffy_1st
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This thread is so nerdy.
That's bizarre, I literally just said that...
That wasn't really being nerfed, it was being overhyped.
Well he would have won if only he knew having the higher ground was a disadvantage.
ClosingADoor
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I still don't get why he had to die in Episode 1. Why didn't they use him as the 'new Darth Vader' in the prequels. Everyone that came after him was shit anyway.
The fact that he didn't have to open his mouth is why he wasn't shit. As soon as any character opens their mouth, they become shit in the prequels because of Lucas' shitty writing. Darth Maul appearing in the other movies would have probably meant he had to say something.
Mr_Appleby
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not just that, but it is explicit that the aliens have eradicated all forms of germ life on their planet before coming here which is why they have no resistance, so the downfall is in fact their own fault.
You guys have to go DEEPER into history:
Satan, The Devil, the corrupter of humanity, destroyer of souls, challenger of GOD:
An unstoppable demonic force that instills fear and crushes the human spirit.
And now:
A joke for cartoons, sexy halloween costumes, hipsters and body mod freaks.
Being Nerfed is one thing. Becoming a total joke is worse.
Satan, The Devil, the corrupter of humanity, destroyer of souls, challenger of GOD:
An unstoppable demonic force that instills fear and crushes the human spirit.
And now:
A joke for cartoons, sexy halloween costumes, hipsters and body mod freaks.
Being Nerfed is one thing. Becoming a total joke is worse.
Star Trek: Voyager's take on the most powerful enemy of humanity:
I actually loved species 8472. The Borg were virtually unstoppable and yet this race was even more powerful only because they were resistance to the technology.
Your average snake/horus warrior in the Stargate Universe. When from all-power mystic super-soldier to chump very quickly.
But that was typical of the SG writing team in general. Even the replicators seemed less of a threat as time went on.
It was then the USS Voyager dicking on the Borg with ease as well that was the problem.
But that was typical of the SG writing team in general. Even the replicators seemed less of a threat as time went on.
Having species 8472 show up out of nowhere and dominate the Borg was fine. Powerful design, even. That opening shot where the two cubes get mauled and you don't see who did it was fucking fantastic.
It was then the USS Voyager dicking on the Borg with ease as well that was the problem.
Foliorum Viridum
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T-Rex in JP3 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tNqjsclhs
Not quite the same, but still! In the first two films they were terrifying. It gets beaten down like a bitch in 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7tNqjsclhs
Not quite the same, but still! In the first two films they were terrifying. It gets beaten down like a bitch in 3.
The Green Lantern villain was pretty bad. He went from being powerful enough to kill several experienced Green Lanterns in a couple of minutes (Who ambushed him no less) and was one little planet away from destroying Green Lantern Planet to one newbie Green Lantern holding his own against him &
flying too close to the sun and burning up.
Randy Lanzarote
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And then phoned Darth Vader to come meet him at Bespin. With a load of storm troopers. And then ran away before the shit hit the fan.
But he had a cool helmet so....
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