DXB-KNIGHT
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Nintendo knows better than anyone else that Nintendo on other devices equals Nintendo's death.
After the experience they had with the 3DS? Not a chance. Wii U will sell at a max. launch price of 300$. Period. Nintendo if necessary will downgrade the hardware further, but they'll never set up such a price.
If they did go down that route then once there in there is no coming out. People would end up expecting to see the premium IP's on IOS/Android.
Nintendo should stay well clear of that market!!
Nintendo used to be about value. Go look back at the E3 when Gamecube was unveiled and see what they had to say then versus what they're doing now.
They're adding features that have a lot of cost to them that aren't making a lot of noise. Because motion gaming took off, doesn't mean 3D will, and doesn't mean tablet gaming will. Especially when there's a cost-reward problem with how much money is being invested in these things.
Everyone says iOS and Android games should be developed, and laughs at this, but I actually think Nintendo will within two years. But not in the way people think. Nintendo has already peaked with the Virtual Console on Wii and people aren't going to accept buying those games again on Wii U, so Nintendo is definitely going to have some type of transfer system.
They're starting to put NES games on the 3DS for double dipping, so after this dies down in about a year or so, I honestly think they'll start taking very old NES games and putting them on mobile platforms.
What's to lose? These games, like Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Ice Climbers, etc are practically public domain at this point. The novelty of the Virtual Console has long since wore off with the Wii, and they've cashed in as much as they're going to there with these old games, especially transferring the games over to Wii U in some way.
Just announcing "mobile development" would jump their stock and they won't have to provide anything meaningful. Simple, cheap, emulated ports of old NES games would give them a good amount of money while making it seem to investors like they're moving mobile.
Great post.I am so sick of hearing about how Nintendo needs to bow down to Apple, leave the console business and start making casual bullshit games for iOS. It's like every single journalist or analyst is buying into this garbage. It's even worse when the contents of their articles/analysis reveal that they barely even know what they are talking about and are just writing a hit-piece based off the hot talking points.
Why does it annoy me? Because it trickles down to the average uninformed person and shapes their opinion, which they ignorantly go on about in everyday conversations and I can't help buy shake my head.
It's the same thing Nintendo got into when they decided to name the successor to the DS the 3DS. It's just one more reason why the Wii U needs a name change, in my opinion.Yeah I noticed that. And also "the next Wii console, the Wii U". There's something ominous about the thinking there. It's the whole "it's just a new Wii" thing.
When journalists and analysts finally realise that wii music brought in more revenue than any mobile game ever then i'll listen to them
I don't think it can really be used by either side as any sort of realistic argument for Nintendo's current well-being or lack thereof.
If BMW released the new M3 at $60,000~ and it sold like shit, then cut the price by 33%~ would it be any surprise that it was selling well?
I'm not really trying to get into the whole anti/pro-Nintendo thing with this comment, I just don't get why the 3DS's "success" should be lauded when it required dire action to achieve those numbers. Sure it's selling now after its price point was completely reworked, but it was a failure at $250.
I don't think it can really be used by either side as any sort of realistic argument for Nintendo's current well-being or lack thereof.
If the 3DS was a failure in its first six months, what was the GBA or the DS?
The reality is DS started much slower, and the GBA didn't sell drastically more so than the 3DS. It seems to me that most people are analyzing the handheld situation without really considering history.
I am so sick of hearing about how Nintendo needs to bow down to Apple, leave the console business and start making casual bullshit games for iOS. It's like every single journalist or analyst is buying into this garbage. It's even worse when the contents of their articles/analysis reveal that they barely even know what they are talking about and are just writing a hit-piece based off the hot talking points.
Why does it annoy me? Because it trickles down to the average uninformed person and shapes their opinion, which they ignorantly go on about in everyday conversations and I can't help buy shake my head.
so who is paying for this agenda you guys are talking about? I mean I can see the bias but not sure who is leading this?
Is it just pro-USA company vs a Japanese company?
Maybe this is the only possibility that actually is not dumb. I second your thinking. These games could be pure profits at no costs and this way to proceed could attract more investors.
I agree here. This is kind of stupid, but has anything like this been said about MS since it's earlier days with the OG Xbox? I can't turn a corner without JP companies like Sony and Nintendo being doomed, but I don't hear a peep about Microsoft despite the trail of red ink it took for them to make it this far in the industry.I am so sick of hearing about how Nintendo needs to bow down to Apple, leave the console business and start making casual bullshit games for iOS. It's like every single journalist or analyst is buying into this garbage. It's even worse when the contents of their articles/analysis reveal that they barely even know what they are talking about and are just writing a hit-piece based off the hot talking points.
Why does it annoy me? Because it trickles down to the average uninformed person and shapes their opinion, which they ignorantly go on about in everyday conversations and I can't help buy shake my head.
Any drastic strategy shift that would dispatch the Mario brothers into the realm of Android and Apple's iOS operating system would likely require a change at the top of Nintendo, said Macquarie's Gibson. And that likely won't happen for a couple of years until the Wii U is shown to be a clear failure, he added
Why didn't they get a third of their price slashed if they were doing worse than the 3DS was at $250?
If the 3DS was a failure in its first six months, what was the GBA or the DS?
The reality is DS started much slower, and the GBA didn't sell drastically more so than the 3DS. It seems to me that most people are analyzing the handheld situation without really considering history.
Yet another article that demands Mario on iOS and Android, yet another person who just doesn't get the industry.
Let them expect, while Nintendo rakes in the cash. It's no different than what a lot of companies do, like Namco with Pacman or games so old they're considered almost public domain. Doesn't mean they're going to put their meaningful current games on a mobile platform.
They've released and rereleased old NES games in remakes, ports, versions, collectables, and digital sales so many times, there's literally almost no inherent value left in them to be just on a Nintendo platform. I could see them making a killing on mobile versions of some very old games.
Why do you think "attracting more investors" is important?
so who is paying for this agenda you guys are talking about? I mean I can see the bias but not sure who is leading this?
Is it just pro-USA company vs a Japanese company?
Er, I'd say it's very different from third-party franchises that have historically appeared on pretty much every platform imaginable.
The value in keeping them exclusive is greater than the value of selling them cheap on an app store, even for very old titles.They've released and rereleased old NES games in remakes, ports, versions, collectables, and digital sales so many times, there's literally almost no inherent value left in them to be just on a Nintendo platform. I could see them making a killing on mobile versions of some very old games.
I did not say anything about an agenda, but I do think that Apple gets every single possible benefit of the doubt from journalists and analysts.
What a terrible article. My favorite part was the analyst predicting Wii U's failure plus Iwata's dismissal finally leading to the holy grail of mario on my ipad.
Yes its a deadly move for Nintendo.The only difference is people think it's sacreligious for a Nintendo game to appear on a non Nintendo platform, that's all. Not that it's a bad move.
The value in keeping them exclusive is greater than the value of selling them cheap on an app store, even for very old titles.
Consider that a Wii U (or any other hypothetical new Nintendo console) with exclusive new and old titles is better differentiated than one with only exclusive new titles. If someone really wants to play "Super Mario Bros." that badly, Nintendo wants to sell them the hardware for it without exception.
I am so sick of hearing about how Nintendo needs to bow down to Apple, leave the console business and start making casual bullshit games for iOS. It's like every single journalist or analyst is buying into this garbage. It's even worse when the contents of their articles/analysis reveal that they barely even know what they are talking about and are just writing a hit-piece based off the hot talking points.
Why does it annoy me? Because it trickles down to the average uninformed person and shapes their opinion, which they ignorantly go on about in everyday conversations and I can't help buy shake my head.
"With its 8,000 yen a share in cash, it can afford to still make a bet that its hardware will sell," said Gibson.
I'm not sure, but I think the fiscal meeting starts at 9pm EDT.
Yeah I noticed that. And also "the next Wii console, the Wii U". There's something ominous about the thinking there. It's the whole "it's just a new Wii" thing.
I honestly feel mobile gaming on touch screen devices like phones is the modern generations FMV. Remember how those were supposed to change the way we gamed all those years ago and how everyone (including people who should have known better) said traditional gaming was "dead"? Once the fad ends we'll see who is left floating.
What does the 3DS price cut have to do with the very objective fact that DS had slower sales at its launch than the 3DS? At the time, Nintendo was already developing the gameboy successor if the DS failed. It just so happened DS started picking up steam after a yeat of being on sale so they scrapped the GBA successor.
If the 3DS was a failure in its first six months, what was the GBA or the DS?
The reality is DS started much slower, and the GBA didn't sell drastically more so than the 3DS. It seems to me that most people are analyzing the handheld situation without really considering history.
The value in keeping them exclusive is greater than the value of selling them cheap on an app store, even for very old titles.
Consider that a Wii U (or any other hypothetical new Nintendo console) with exclusive new and old titles is better differentiated than one with only exclusive new titles. If someone really wants to play "Super Mario Bros." that badly, Nintendo wants to sell them the hardware for it without exception.
The only difference is people think it's sacreligious for a Nintendo game to appear on a non Nintendo platform, that's all. Not that it's a bad move.
They've sold Super Mario Bros on a console for years now, and those titles in all likelihood are going to transfer over to Wii U. What revenue stream is going to come then from Wii U with these games? Everyone has had years with the Wii to buy it who wanted it. The novelty has peaked.
Not only that, but it's not as if the games would become unavailable, they just would be available elsewhere. And in reality, they have been, and have been for years with emulators. Releasing some almost 30 year old games on mobile platforms isn't going to hurt them a bit or force anyone to reconsider a decision to buy any of their hardware.
I certainly wouldn't want Nintendo to release new titles on phones...but would releasing a few NES games hurt them?
Couldn't they use them as a way to rake in some easy cash and as a marketing tool for the new Wii U/3DS games in the franchises? I wouldn't think that would harm their hardware sales.
Nintendo used to be about value. Go look back at the E3 when Gamecube was unveiled and see what they had to say then versus what they're doing now.
They're adding features that have a lot of cost to them that aren't making a lot of noise. Because motion gaming took off, doesn't mean 3D will, and doesn't mean tablet gaming will. Especially when there's a cost-reward problem with how much money is being invested in these things.
Everyone says iOS and Android games should be developed, and laughs at this, but I actually think Nintendo will within two years. But not in the way people think. Nintendo has already peaked with the Virtual Console on Wii and people aren't going to accept buying those games again on Wii U, so Nintendo is definitely going to have some type of transfer system.
They're starting to put NES games on the 3DS for double dipping, so after this dies down in about a year or so, I honestly think they'll start taking very old NES games and putting them on mobile platforms.
What's to lose? These games, like Super Mario Bros, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Ice Climbers, etc are practically public domain at this point. The novelty of the Virtual Console has long since wore off with the Wii, and they've cashed in as much as they're going to there with these old games, especially transferring the games over to Wii U in some way.
Just announcing "mobile development" would jump their stock and they won't have to provide anything meaningful. Simple, cheap, emulated ports of old NES games would give them a good amount of money while making it seem to investors like they're moving mobile.