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MS PR: 360 sold 67M consoles; $56 billion in sales, almost 50% market share
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pslayer666
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Lol, took 42 posts for someone to say that. Impressive
usually it's on by the first 10 posts. I guess times are changing :lol
By volume? I think so. However, the Wii's tie ratio is about a game below the 360's.
That's not what they're doing at all, unless Sony has sold 11 Million PS3s in the last month and a half somehow.
I'd bet not personally, but, I wouldn't quite rule it out yet. A significant price cut (and honestly they need one, to get a full year advantage of it before 720 is out) could really help explode sales over the Holiday. They've said in a previous statement this year they anticipate topping last years sales in the US.
Portugeezer
Member
People would rather re-buy a faulty console than to go with what the competition offers.
That could be it.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Magic math hard at work.
I love PR.
I love PR.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Lots of gamers bit the bullet and just bought new systems though. Recall the "i'm on my 5th 360!" threads? RROD was a problem well before the return program started.
Even if that ludicrous possibility were the reason, it'd be quite telling that people would rather buy another 360 than purchase a different console.
No it isn't. Software always sells hardware. Not the other way around.
In the U.S the 360 has sold more SW at retail according to NPD.
X360 - 9.1 x 33.97m =309,000,000~
Wii - 7.7 x 39.39m = 303,310,000~
DeaconKnowledge
Member
You wouldn't know this by reading GAF recently.
But GAF tells me that the 360 has no exclusives.
I agree with you. I own all three systems but I had to buy the 360 twice. I have two friends who did the same thing. I don't know if my PS3 had died if I would have put up the cash to buy another one.
It just kind of sucks that after 25 years of gaming, this is the first time I've ever had to buy a duplicate console because it broke and most of my friends have had to do the same thing.
Palette Swap
Member
Isn't that 47% figure the US YTD hardware market share? This doesn't seem far fetched.
But yeah, the usual PR bullshit spinning machine, comparing apples and oranges. Except in this case, they really shouldn't have because it can be read as "wow, Sony has 53%" or something.
But yeah, the usual PR bullshit spinning machine, comparing apples and oranges. Except in this case, they really shouldn't have because it can be read as "wow, Sony has 53%" or something.
My (admittedly approximate and from memory) figures came from the most recent worldwide reports in regards to tie ratios.
Although its true that first party output has consolidated or shifted to another demographic over the past few years, that means nothing. There is obviously software that people want and are playing are on the 360 with others that are driving its hardware.
Brashnir said:
Although its true that first party output has consolidated or shifted to another demographic over the past few years, that means nothing. There is obviously software that people want and are playing are on the 360 with others that are driving its hardware.
Considering the 360 doesn't have as much exclusive software as the PS3? My point still stands.
dreamer3kx
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I think Sony has the better console this gen but man MS was just very aggressive, cant knock that.
Software that people want to play doesn't necessarily have to be exclusive. Read above.
Interestingly enough, over the past year more people are using (walled garden) services on the 360 than are playing games. That matters too (especially to MS).
Zabka said:
Highly doubtful, as the 47% figure does match their recent PR nearly exactly about NPD sales. By dollars, I'm not sure how it's possible to match the near 100mil that the Wii's sold, especially considering the worldwide tie ratios are within a game and a half.
Considering we're talking about re-purchases that would have happened generally within the first three years of the 360's life, I don't think it does.
SmokedMeat
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Wii doesn't exist?
shinobi602
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Lion Heart
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Worst console I've ever owned. Congrats I guess.
Your avatar is appropriate. lol
Wii was a part of the 7th generation.
I'd say these are just US figures quoted by PR to spin.
MikeE21286
Member
Same here. And it discounts Wii
More expensive console, games, and accessories, more popular digital download service, millions of people paying ~$50 per year for online play.
There's lots of ways they can pull in more revenue than the Wii.
Sephiroth503
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Wii is current =3
Hated the 360.
Hated the noisy ass fan.
Hated the hideous Fisher Price style controller.
Hated the crappy D-Pad.
Hated the audacity of charging for online multiplayer.
Hated the reliance on shooters.
Hated MS's dropping its support for PC gaming in favour of their console.
HOWEVER!
I think it's great that a Western company has finally risen to such market power in the console space. I think it proves that MS really did play strategically this generation and made a LOT of smart moves in the context of 3rd party support, marketing, and responding to competition. I think their success also highlights the grave mishandling of the Playstation brand, and how out of touch Sony has been throughout most of this gen.
Congrats to Microsoft. If you stop charging people for online play I might even consider purchasing your next box!
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Hated the noisy ass fan.
Hated the hideous Fisher Price style controller.
Hated the crappy D-Pad.
Hated the audacity of charging for online multiplayer.
Hated the reliance on shooters.
Hated MS's dropping its support for PC gaming in favour of their console.
HOWEVER!
I think it's great that a Western company has finally risen to such market power in the console space. I think it proves that MS really did play strategically this generation and made a LOT of smart moves in the context of 3rd party support, marketing, and responding to competition. I think their success also highlights the grave mishandling of the Playstation brand, and how out of touch Sony has been throughout most of this gen.
Congrats to Microsoft. If you stop charging people for online play I might even consider purchasing your next box!
Especially if Steam is the OS
If you discount the multi-billion dollar blots of red ink for the first few years. But then you're discounting how many Wii Remotes people bought (and those bring in far more revenue than the 360 pad. A $6 production item selling for $40 will do that - same as a $2 nunchuck being sold for $25). Then you have to consider discounted Live subscriptions... it's a mess to try to figure that into the figure.
You're basically getting into territory that is nearly as unproductive as "list wars".
It's a US-based figure, plain and simple.
IIRC, at 2007 MS gave all current 360 owners a three year warranty to replace their console if they receive the RROD. I do still think it's ludicrous people here think a significant portion of these sales are the result of that defect.
Admittedly, I don't remember if Sony had more IP's during that time and I may have jumped the gun on that point.
Fair enough.
I don't think you understand what revenue is.
Fredrik
Member
Jumping ship when you have puchased lots of games might not be an alternative, I think most people probably bought a new one. And I'm not saying that it isn't an awesome gaming platform, personally I love it. But the figures might not be something to brag about if they include all the sales of consoles that got RROD too.
Btw, is there a figure somewhere that show how many that got RROD? 5 milion? 10 million? 20 million?
I guess I was talking profit, but the point I was making still stands. You're not going to base market penetration off revenue. If that was the case, the $599 PS3 would have an advantage in the "selling price x number of units" category, despite the fact that it was bleeding $300 per console at launch. They're talking recent NPD figures here. I don't see how their PR is talking about anything else.
I don't think you know what market share is.
Please, by all means, correct me:
Here's some numbers:
98m Wiis (Tie Ratio: around 8.5)
67m 360s (Tie Ratio: around 9.3)
64m PS3s (Tie Ratio: don't remember but it's similar to Wii)
Humour me. I am not an avid sales-ager so if you sales-agers have better numbers please correct me as well.
Why would people buy a new one when the warranty guaranteed a free replacement? You are telling me that millions simply dropped $300-$400 on replacements despite MS losing a great deal amount of money over the fiasco?
Jaded Alyx
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If so, then congrats Microsoft on having less marketshare than the competition I guess :/
yankeehater
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LOL 360 is by far the best console I have ever owned. MS deserves all the praise in the world for what they have done this gen.