But they will clearly continue try with the casual motion controls though. Specially MS.. Kinect has been great for them.
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IGN: Devs: PS4/Xbox 3 By Jan 2014, Xbox 3 easiest/best selling, Wii U "too complex."
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But they will clearly continue try with the casual motion controls though. Specially MS.. Kinect has been great for them.
There were actually a few games that didn't come out on the PS3. I remember an interview with a Sony employee, might have been Jack Tretton, where it was mentioned how hard those days were for the PS3 when they were afraid losing devs and it was hard to get people onboard. Activision was publically threatening to pull out.
Sony had to work their assess off to sustain the third party support they have, it didn't just happen because it's not a Nintendo machine and developers love Sony but hate Nintendo.
360?
PC gaming would be far easier to do and the return would probably be just as well.
Publishers will be all over it if there aren't any real technological incompatibilities like there were this gen. Developers can talk about how they're not looking forward to it all they want, but at the end of the day, most of them don't get to make that kind of decision.
Not sure why some people are complaining about the possibility of just throwing a map on the controller anyway. Going from the GBA to the DS, having bits of the HUD and content that used to be relegated to subscreens constantly displayed somewhere besides the main screen was a revelation. If that's all most third-parties use it for, great.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I ain't complaining PikachuMobile. That's the most I expect from them.
Unless MS or Sony put out a tease of their new consoles (along with the usual bullshots) in the next few days, I doubt we'll see the consoles on the shelf as early as late 2013. Mid-late 2014 maybe. Consider the usual life cycle of the reveal - tease at an E3, playable at the next E3, released toward the end of that year or early next.
Saying there is evidence that the system will be out late 2013 is intentionally ignoring the evidence that the systems are being pushed out for as long as they'll last, so I suppose people will do as they do with the WiiU power - believe the rumors that back up their preconcieved notions and ignore the rest.
And jesus christ, the 3rd parties argument on Wii argument AGAIN?
The majority of "AAA" third parties NEVER TRIED on Wii. And I'm not saying they should have! But they can't argue that their game would not have sold well on Wii when they never wanted to try.
Saying there is evidence that the system will be out late 2013 is intentionally ignoring the evidence that the systems are being pushed out for as long as they'll last, so I suppose people will do as they do with the WiiU power - believe the rumors that back up their preconcieved notions and ignore the rest.
And jesus christ, the 3rd parties argument on Wii argument AGAIN?
The majority of "AAA" third parties NEVER TRIED on Wii. And I'm not saying they should have! But they can't argue that their game would not have sold well on Wii when they never wanted to try.
Mediocre, Much better than Wii's.
I would take that over forced, tackled in stuff. Many times I find myself hoping that Vita didn't had a touch screen,
PS3 is 9.3 (595 million games, 63.9 million systems)
GeneralManager
Member
What does that have to do with anything? Its a developer survey featuring 35 developers. He's Canadian and an 360 editor. That shouldn't change the numbers. Its not like they count different from the rest of us.
because the most powerful console always wins, didn't you hear
GeneralManager
Member
What if they're talking about post 360/PS3? What if that's not so easy to port? I think its unfair to assume that they're saying its difficult just because they can't figure out what to do with the touchscreen.
Deadly Joker
Member
It's funny, people would have said the same thing about the PS3 in 2005.
Yeah, and we should all trust IGN when it comes to anything Nintendo related after Matt left..I'm sure we will have a few more "articles" about how terrible the Wii U is before we actually see it.
Not that I doubt that there are technical challenges to downport from the (proposed) Nextbox, but the touchscreen has already been used as justification for not porting 360/Ps3 games to the system by the likes of DICE and Kojima.
Oh definitely, and I think having to port games everywhere possible is part of the reason (the other part being the growing technical similarities between consoles and a PC) why we've seen so many PC ports of console games this generation.
But despite doing almost all of my gaming on PC I can also appreciate that the active userbase of the platform, at least for console ports, has a really long way to go to matching the sales achieved on the HD twins. Unless it's for a franchise with a really strong PC history. Which is why I think we're going to continue to see companies porting their games to as many platforms as possible, barring technical constraints. (and it should be obvious that I don't think the Wii U will be far enough behind the PS4/720 to pose those technical constraints, at least for most games)
GeneralManager
Member
Presuming that they played with the results to make the WiiU look bad?
I'm assuming it just went like this...
"Hey. lets interview some devs on their thoughts on the next gen systems. OK, we got 35 responses to our survey. Let's publish the results."
It is what it is. Its the opinion of 35 devs IGN got a hold. Take it as exactly that.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but he does bring up a good point. Surveys are traditionally handled by 3rd parties to give some distance from potential biases. All the same, we'll find out how accurate the survey was in the end.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Why are you so defensive? What could a site as big as IGN possibly gain from slandering Nintendo?
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
So you are saying that whoever ported Enclave to the Wii intentionally tried to make it as bad as possible? Can I ask you why? What purposse would that serve?
lostinblue
Banned
Thanks, couldn't find newer data than May 2011 from the search I did.
Not what he said.
He said they clearly weren't interested in learning how to take advantage of the Wii's hardware. The wii isn't an Xbox, it's a different proprietary architecture; it's not regarded as hard to develop for but as every platform has it's quirks and does certain things it's own way. For that port they were only concerned that it would run, so they stripped every graphical polish the original game had until it seemed like running Doom 3 on a Vodoo 2.
I guess we could ask G4 the same question, seems to be the "cool" thing to do...Why would an Xbox editor put out an article about another system, and would he have done the same if this "survey" came out with a positive outlook?!
Everyone seems content on getting their jabs in before E3, it's chill...enjoy.
cordonbleu
Member
So do these 35 'Developers' encompass a development studio in its entirety, or are they the responses from 35 people who happen to work in the industry?
Are they all third party developers, or are some bound by studio affiliation with a platform holder...
This really is ridiculous, alarmist reporting from the Fox NEWS of gaming.
Are they all third party developers, or are some bound by studio affiliation with a platform holder...
This really is ridiculous, alarmist reporting from the Fox NEWS of gaming.
iamshadowlark
Banned
This article is not about the Wii-U. Its about all the next gen consoles.
Buddha Beam
Banned
Page views and site hits, which in turn mean they can charge higher advertising rates.
Hahahahaha, oh yeah I forgot to mention the part where the nextbox will be the clear choice...my bad.
iamshadowlark
Banned
You think higher rates are worth it when you could get black-listed by Nintendo for lying? Cause I betcha IGN doesnt.
what the hell is that supposed to mean?
lostinblue
Banned
Means that a IGN Xbox 360 team member wrote and did a survey that *gasp* hails the Xbox sucessor as the shit and the Wii-U as doomed.
And O.J. Simpson says he's innocent, news at eleven.
As I've said earlier, PC ports would likely supplement any potential loses from skipping the Wii U. Well, that or more/more expensive DLC. Bottom line is if developer have the choice of supporting up to three platforms Orbis/Durango/PC and making a decent profit, then what's the point in recreating all of your game assets from scratch just to put it on another platform and risk losing money? None.
Large publishers/developers don't make games for any other reason that maximizing profits while reducing costs. That's the way every successful business works. And if that means skipping out on a Wii U port, then so be it.
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
Why wouldn't they be interested in learning how to take advantage of the Wii? Making a better product usually leads to better sales and bigger recognition and learning how to take advantage of a very popular platform is a good thing when you want to have a job as a game developer.
I was talking about the part where he bolded Canadian.
I'm lost, why would they need that on WiiU ?
Anyway i have a theory, but it's maybe wrong, tell me. basically, Microsoft has a strategy for its hardware, and that's putting all the best conventional parts they can afford to loose money on >> resulting in something really usual for devs.
Sony/Nintendo don't want/can't afford that strategy, so they have to relate on smarter design choices, meaning looking for innovative and exclusive techs (i'm only speaking power, not interface) resulting in something less simple to code for.
lostinblue
Banned
Ah. I'm european, I don't get that regional shenanigans.
Could mean he doesn't have that many contacts (or pretty much just Ubisoft Montreal) seeing most north american developers live in US not canada.
That would be the professional approach to it, but lots of developers couldn't be arsed to read documentation or give the TEV pipeline a try; not saying it's the case here (I wouldn't be surprised if it was ported by a guy with time constraints), but it happens.
Doesn't change that someone along the line didn't think this port (of a average 9 year old game) deserved any justice and effectively had the balls to publish it as is.
That part I was just being silly, silly scamps with mayo on everything and "bacon" that's just ham...I love em
good, that's what I thought.
Derpy survey methods aside, I'm a bit concerned that lots of devs already putting their eggs on the xbox3. I'm not even talking from Nintendo's perspective but more from the perspective of the whole industry.
What if Wii U and the PS4 sell much better than expected? This generation has shown that this industry doesn't have a plan B, companies would rather go down than changing plans.
It's really stupid: Publishers are very risk averse in game content because of the high budget, but they don't take an effort in spreading the risk to different plattforms, instead they put the eggs on one or two plattforms. Of course you can't make (enough) profit if all the A-teams are on the same plattform while other successful plattforms only get C- and D-teams.
What if Wii U and the PS4 sell much better than expected? This generation has shown that this industry doesn't have a plan B, companies would rather go down than changing plans.
It's really stupid: Publishers are very risk averse in game content because of the high budget, but they don't take an effort in spreading the risk to different plattforms, instead they put the eggs on one or two plattforms. Of course you can't make (enough) profit if all the A-teams are on the same plattform while other successful plattforms only get C- and D-teams.
Without telling us WHO the 35 developers are, yeah, the survey doesn't mean much. Have they ever made a game on anything aside from 360?
While I don't think this is the agenda... yes, IGN has burned pretty much all of their Nintendo readers over the past three years.
While I don't think this is the agenda... yes, IGN has burned pretty much all of their Nintendo readers over the past three years.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
They probably didn't have the time or budget.
Which is why you have games like Splinter Cell looking a half generation worse than GCN equivalents.
Yes?
Websites love trolling Nintendo because it riles up fanboys and haters alike. Look at all the GAF threads on devs speaking anonymously and poorly about the Wii U versus the ones with known figures and praise. The negative news threads explode while the positive ones fade away in a handful of pages.
IGN isn't above baiting for ad-clicks, nor would they be blacklisted for it in the first place. It isn't like Nintendo enjoys close relationships with the media in terms of giving them juicy sort of press junkets and insider secrets anyway.
And for what it's worth this doesn't surprise me at all; it sounds like the typical euphemistic "it's hard to think of ways to use this controller so we won't make anything at all" kind of logic that western developers treated the DS and Wii with. Which is in itself a variation of the "if we're going to make a DS/Wii/U game, it'll have to use the unique functions of the controller and not half-ass anything which means we'll make jack shit" excuse that they also peddled, even though the controls provide extra options, not a singular application. Aggravating logic.
But then the big publishers are all engaged in the death-spiral of increasingly over-budget games with a stagnant audience so of course they'd be down for some more bad decision-making next-gen.
I honestly laugh at the developer opinion on Generation 8.
For any developer to think Microsoft is going to have some sort of run-away success with the Next-Box- is either considering the US market exclusively or is severely discounting Sony and its offerings. Sony will not make the same mistakes (pricing, exotic hardware, lackluster OS/online) next generation -the Vita is proof.
To completely disregard Nintendo is another hilarious and disappointing move. The Wii U is a port monster. Scale the games down, remove all the "fancy" effects, and just release them.
For any developer to think Microsoft is going to have some sort of run-away success with the Next-Box- is either considering the US market exclusively or is severely discounting Sony and its offerings. Sony will not make the same mistakes (pricing, exotic hardware, lackluster OS/online) next generation -the Vita is proof.
To completely disregard Nintendo is another hilarious and disappointing move. The Wii U is a port monster. Scale the games down, remove all the "fancy" effects, and just release them.
CrazedProfessional
Member
35 XBLA developers, probably.
Exactly. IGN have long lost most of their Nintendo fans. Stories about Nintendo being doomed are perfect since they can only gain.
I dont follow. Maybe there's something I'm missing, but Wii U should be getting at the very least a scaleable PC port in the event ps4/xbox3 are significantly more powerful. Given how easily studios went bankrupt this gen, they should be making multiple versions of a game on every system under the sun - ps4, xbox, wii u, pc, iOS, steambox etc. Most games are likely to be on cross-platform engines, and getting a wii u version in particular should be straight forward even if it barely justifies wiipad controls with a menu subscreen.