SpaceDrake
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Ys Origin (PC/Steam) |OT|
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TranceKuja
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I've seen this been called harder than Oath by some, but what is the general consensus on the difficulty? How does it compare to Oath? I really liked Oath but it becamse so tough so fast (especially the bosses) and the savepoints were so scarce that I just gave up after a while.
I'm not sure exactly how to compare the two. I've never really had much of a problem with either one on normal. But there are difficulty levels you can choose if you find them too hard. Origin goes down to very easy.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I found Origin much easier on Normal than Oath on normal. But several people have mentioned the opposite, so maybe I'm just the odd one out. I finished Oath and Ark of Napishtim (and Seven+Chronicles, they aren't really the same though) before I played Origin the first time, so maybe some familiarity with the series helped.
Then again I also found Oath a lot easier the second time around on the PC, versus the PSP version I played originally. So... I dunno.
Then again I also found Oath a lot easier the second time around on the PC, versus the PSP version I played originally. So... I dunno.
PixyJunket
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It's far easier than Oath. Far. I don't know who is saying it's harder, but I just beat Oath on Hard Mode a few days ago (plus Boss Rush), and Origin on Hard Mode is pretty much Oath's Normal Mode, if not slightly easier even.
Another one for Origin being easier here. So far I've only had to fight each boss two or three times...I got the achievement for dying ten times on the first boss/miniboss of Oath.
On the other hand I am better after having beaten Oath, and I played a little bit of Origin before so I knew what to expect for the first areas. I'm still certain it's easier.
I'm purely talking about Normal mode for both, by the way. I'm guessing I'll do Hard for the other characters.
On the other hand I am better after having beaten Oath, and I played a little bit of Origin before so I knew what to expect for the first areas. I'm still certain it's easier.
I'm purely talking about Normal mode for both, by the way. I'm guessing I'll do Hard for the other characters.
On Normal, I felt it wasn't too bad save for maybe 1-2 bosses towards the end. If you get all of the upgrades, they're not too bad.
It's true, I did a Hugo run on Hard after beating the game with Yunica and it felt stupid easy.
"Run and Shoot! Run and Shoot!"
The only real disadvantage with Hugo is that his shots have very little to no hitstun on monsters and you can occasionally get an Eye stuck someplace. That, and I feel his EX attack is kinda useless.
It's true, I did a Hugo run on Hard after beating the game with Yunica and it felt stupid easy.
"Run and Shoot! Run and Shoot!"
The only real disadvantage with Hugo is that his shots have very little to no hitstun on monsters and you can occasionally get an Eye stuck someplace. That, and I feel his EX attack is kinda useless.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Well, the Japanese version had recommended characters for different skill levels (Hugo, Yunica, Claw from easiest to hardest). I can definitely see how Hugo is the easiest character to play as, but the other two are pretty even. Claw might actually be easier (my opinion, at least).
PixyJunket
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I think it's more like Huge >> Claw > Yunica as well.
Claw has some speed and combo advantages that gives him a notch over Yunica. But not by a WHOLE lot.
I've always been of the opinion that Ys: The Oath in Felghana's actual gameplay is much tougher than Ys Origin's, but Ys Origin's bosses are much tougher than Felghana's.
In the end, this makes Felghana the tougher game overall... but Ys Origin is certainly no pushover. And if you're doing Boss Rush, there's no competition -- Origin is waaaaay more difficult!
-Tom
In the end, this makes Felghana the tougher game overall... but Ys Origin is certainly no pushover. And if you're doing Boss Rush, there's no competition -- Origin is waaaaay more difficult!
-Tom
DimmuBurgerKing
Member
Can't wait to really sink my teeth into this after I put a dent in my backlog. In the meantime, I've posted my LTTP impressions of Ys I & II Chronicles.
RyougaSaotome
Member
Finally started late last night when I was half dead. Decided to roll with Hugo first and man, I'm positively LOVING the true widescreen mode. Makes all the difference in the world.
Yep. But the tower is pretty varied -- I mean, it has a desert in it!
-Tom
Oh.
Are all of the Ys games like that?
Aside: Just beat the 2nd demon boss...man he was tough
Yes, if you're good enough.
Lactose_Intolerant
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So far the bosses seem easier than the bosses from the game that was released a few months back. I haven't died yet, in the older game you would have to learn the moves of the bosses and probably die once or twice.
Nope. The other Ys games all have an overworld, towns, dungeons and lots of Zelda-esque exploration. Ys Origin is unique in that it's basically stage-based. I like to say that Ys: The Oath in Felghana is kind of like Super Metroid, Ys Seven is kind of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night... and Ys Origin is kind of like Dracula X: Rondo of Blood. All great games with similar appeal, but Ys Origin is easily the most different of the bunch.
-Tom
Does it change anything? I don't want to learn the nuances of the battle over several deaths if it just pulls the old "Congratulations,
you lose anyways!
Thanks for the info!
In that particular case, unlike Yunica's equivilant fight, the dialogue at least changes. Also achievement.
Ironically I got more of a Super Metroid feel from Ys Origin thus far, but that probably has more to do with it being in one giant dungeon. Probably a better example (to me) when factoring in Origin is that Ys: Oath in Felghana is Zelda, Ys Origin is Vagrant Story, and Ys Seven is... I dunno, Secret of Mana?
Okay, picked up the game and I'm about an hour in on Yunica's route. I'm really liking the game so far (hell, I actually might be more of a fan of the "entire game takes place in the tower" approach, as the open world in Oath didn't really do it for me/I ended up teleporting between places at the first opportunity anyway).
But I have been having a few technical quirks with the game and I don't know how to really solve them.
1) What I'm assuming are pools of water in the 1F lobby are just masses of gray that become super pixelated and distorted when I walk past them. I don't really have a great problem now, but I don't want to get to a water area and all of the water is like that.
2) When looking at the Divine Blessings screen, most of the SP amount listings are cut off. Dunno if this is a resolution issue or what.
But I have been having a few technical quirks with the game and I don't know how to really solve them.
1) What I'm assuming are pools of water in the 1F lobby are just masses of gray that become super pixelated and distorted when I walk past them. I don't really have a great problem now, but I don't want to get to a water area and all of the water is like that.
2) When looking at the Divine Blessings screen, most of the SP amount listings are cut off. Dunno if this is a resolution issue or what.
I don't know about the first issue, but the second is a resolution issue. Was having the same problem, but a reso change fixed that right up.
Thanks for that! I turned it to the normal resolution instead of whatever resolution the high definition default has and I can read the listings properly now. Without the change, I would have assumed that Increase Movement Speed would have been for 5,000 SP instead of the actual 500,000 SP.
Still toying around the settings for the water issue, though.
EDIT: Just turned off all reflections and that seemed to fix my water issue. Okay, really to plunge back into the game.
Wonko_C
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I'm having weird problems with this game. It seems to stutter for 1 frame every few seconds, even the sound skips a bit when this happens, the other (more severe) issue is that sometimes the whole game freezes for half a second, then the screen goes black for around 3 seconds before returning to normal, this is not as frequent, maybe once every 10-20 minutes. But the last time it happened it just blacked out and froze my PC completely, had to hard reset as I couldn't even call the task manager.
The thing is, I'm using Windows 8 Consumer Preview and that means I'm pretty much on my own in this one and so far this is the first time I'm having problems with it. I'll test other games to see if this isn't an OS/Hardware issue popping up, and come back with my findings.
The thing is, I'm using Windows 8 Consumer Preview and that means I'm pretty much on my own in this one and so far this is the first time I'm having problems with it. I'll test other games to see if this isn't an OS/Hardware issue popping up, and come back with my findings.
I believe you'd miss plenty, yes. In fact you get a third character with even more story.
You're missing Hugo's story if you don't play as Hugo! It has some nice surprises in it. You should do it.
Dreamwriter
Member
It's not just the ending of the game, the game's story is different for each character.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Well, beating it with Yunica would unlock the third character due to changes in the Steam version.
But yeah, all three characters have unique aspects to their stories, with the third character being the "most canon." If there's one story you want to pay attention to it's probably that one. Hugo's is pretty interesting too though. Yunica's was the least interesting by far, in my opinion.
Yeah, I've found Yunica's story to be uninteresting to say the least. Good to know the other stories are better.
Oh, I knew about the change, I just meant more you'd get a third character later on. And I got the impression with Yunica's that hers is meant to be done first, given how experienced she seems to be versus Hugo (reportedly) and how she plays largely like Adol.
Just gain one level, and it'll make all of the difference.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I should probably try to get a level or 4. I don't think I'll ever beat Klonsclard otherwise, it took dozens of tries on normal, and on hard it's been extremely ugly. I've gotten him to near half HP like 5 or 6 times though! In... over two dozen attempts.
Got a level. Feels more doable if I was actually good at these kind of bosses. Might need another one since that will probably just make it easy (therefore "difficult but should only take a handful of tries" for me).
Got a level. Feels more doable if I was actually good at these kind of bosses. Might need another one since that will probably just make it easy (therefore "difficult but should only take a handful of tries" for me).
You're getting Burst and Boost mixed up, I think? Burst is the special attack you get much later that is used DURING Boost mode by pressing the button again.
D'oh!
My bad. The only achievements messed up that I can notice are "Spend tons of SP" and the Roo ones didn't record any after I finished Hugo's. But I got nightmare runs to do hopefully after they're fixed.
figured as much. Been noticing whenever I advance to a new part of the tower, there's always some enemies that I only do 1 damage to.
Kinda odd, that never happened in Oath, for me at least.
Whogie
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Despite getting half-way through Claw on the Groupon relase, I bought this which means starting over. I really do love this game. Now that it supports 1080p, I'm actually seeing rare slowdown on my GTX 460 :O
Going through on Hard mode to keep things interesting. Bosses are damn tough this way, but nothing grinding can't fix.
Going through on Hard mode to keep things interesting. Bosses are damn tough this way, but nothing grinding can't fix.
StarCreator
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As posted many times in the thread, the Steam version can read saves from other versions of the game, assuming you move the save data to where it expects it to be. Unless you're looking to replay the game anyway.