More willful ignorance. Shoehorning different types of characters into the game is not the way they wanted to do it, and it's not a lesser game for not being playable with tons of different types of characters that can float or double jump or teleport or whatever. Sticking Peach in there would make it a worse game for Mario, because it would no longer be able to be designed entirely around him. And now you want her in there as basically a skin, so I'm going to take your moving of the goalposts to mean that you really do understand what I and others are saying but you don't want to admit to being wrong.
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Game Informer October Cover: Super Mario Bros. U
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More willful ignorance. Shoehorning different types of characters into the game is not the way they wanted to do it, and it's not a lesser game for not being playable with tons of different types of characters that can float or double jump or teleport or whatever. Sticking Peach in there would make it a worse game for Mario, because it would no longer be able to be designed entirely around him. And now you want her in there as basically a skin, so I'm going to take your moving of the goalposts to mean that you really do understand what I and others are saying but you don't want to admit to being wrong.
VivaPapaya
Banned
So funny to see the same 3 to 4 people whining about NSMBU being on the Cover. 
Let´s state the obvious:
It is a motherfucking new 2D Mario Game in HD coming as a launch title for a new Nintendo console.
There won´t be a bigger game in the next 12 month. Like it or not, a new Mario on a new console is a juggernaut and absolutely deserves to be on a cover of every gaming magazine in the coming months.
Let´s state the obvious:
It is a motherfucking new 2D Mario Game in HD coming as a launch title for a new Nintendo console.
There won´t be a bigger game in the next 12 month. Like it or not, a new Mario on a new console is a juggernaut and absolutely deserves to be on a cover of every gaming magazine in the coming months.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It was all said from my own personal perspective. Don't take single sentences out of a larger post when said post was clearly the author's own opinion on the subject.
I'm not trying to force my views on anyone. We're all anonymous here, why would it matter to me what you like or don't like?
This isn't what I said at all. Completely stretching my words here.
your style of game includes a stipulation that you'd like a game but only if you didn't dislike it?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Anyone have their copy yet? Make sure to stop by the Halo OT in the community forum and tell us about the Halo 4 article.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
It's a fine opinion. It's just funny for someone with such an opinion to click on a Mario thread and funnier still for such a person to be confused when people in said thread don't share his opinion
This isn't a Mario thread, it's a Game Informer cover thread, which many times has a preview of other info to be in the mag.
From the article linked in the OP:
So when you say something like
what are you trying to say exactly if its just your own opinion?
Karsticles
Member
It's your thinking, I'm asking you to explain the logic.
So you came in here for other news, yet your first post in this thread was this:
You really did pop in here just for the other stuff!
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Are you guys really taking Heavy seriously?
Agent Unknown
Member
More arrogant blathering, hair splitting and not accepting that variety in the multiplayer could be a good thing but it would be "too hard for the design team to figure out any other possible way." Sorry, don't buy it, don't agree.
thegreatchamp
Member
Yeah, I'm interested as well. It seems digital should come out before print.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
I'm confused about what you're asking me, that sentence is what I think. I don't have any numbers to back it up.
What if the other stuff in the mag didn't interest me, either? Would that automatically exclude me from being able to reply to whatever the current discussion in the thread is?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I think it's obvious me and DynamicG are not really.
I'm willing to argue with Heavy about a lot of things. Love of platformers isn't one of them.
theangrypirate
Member
Oh man, toad is really giving it to blue yoshi. Seems like they're both enjoying whatever is happening there...
They would have to do 1 of two things. They would either have to design the levels so that any set of abilities could complete them, which, since the game is multiplayer, means they'd have to be dumbed down and not fine-tuned to any specific ability set. OR they'd have to impliment a character-switching mechanic, which would be too complex and annoying.
Yeah. I just think he's fun to poke at and get to explain his reasoning. I actually kind of like him.
Other people's opinions have 0 influence on what I find fun, it's just irritating when people don't display courtesy when discussing their opinions with others.
You just said that you were claiming it is your opinion and your opinion alone but you just said in the post of yours I quoted that you couldn't POSSIBLY be in the minority for an opinion like that and therefore indicating that your opinion is a majority one. Do you really not see this contradiction? I don't expect you to be this dense.
Heavy, at some point you just need to back off. It's not helping you any to defend yourself when you really don't need to and obviously neither side is going to change their mind about... I'm not even sure what is being argued about. This isn't the wrestling thread, no avatars or observer newsletters are going to come out of this.
Anyroad, nice cover for the game. I just can't get over the drunk looking yoshi though.
Anyroad, nice cover for the game. I just can't get over the drunk looking yoshi though.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
It's not Fart Cat.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
How bout 30/70, 40/60, 50/50? When I hear "minority" used in a conversation about size and percentages I think 10-15%, a major differential. This isn't a novel concept.
Genuinely surprised that comment brought X-pac heat. I'm pretty sure I've said as much before a few times and nobody cared and people even agreed.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I have an answer for you tiny packaged avatar.
Yes.
If you aren't going to agree with me that platformers are the best thing since sliced sausage I don't even want to see your tiny packaged with greatly toned thighs.
metalslimer
Member
Oh man heavy....i take it back worst gi cover thread. If you dont care about platformers stay out of the thread. You know you came in here just to rile people up especially with that bullshit i cant see why people play platformers line. You know good and damn well why
Thunder Monkey
Banned
If I want to argue in a CoD thread I think I have to right too even if FPS are far from my favorite genre's.
Buckethead
Banned
Obviously Mario is going to sell stuff but re-using a pre-existing render for your cover is boring.
At least sketch over it in Photoshop or something.
At least sketch over it in Photoshop or something.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Out of curiosity, how old are you Heavy?
Agent Unknown
Member
Ok, that makes sense.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Me and these mighty quads destroyed the thread and I'm sorry about that. Certainly wasn't my intent, I didn't even refresh the page till more than a half hour later. Don't wanna be a thread shitter, I hate thread shitters.
Approaching 30, unemployed, fat belly, studying to be a nurse (about one more year),
Robot Pants
Member
Shoulda been GTAV
metalslimer
Member
If you dont even play fps you dont belong anywhere in the thread imo. I mean what do you have to bring to the table
It's totally fine to come in here and talk about platformers even if you don't like them. Hell he could have even said he didn't like them, he's just awful at phrasing things in a way that leads to actual discussion.
Lots of things can be brought into a discussion by someone who isn't a fan. You can ask people why they like them and then reflexively consider why you don't like them. Discussion is more than just passing the talking stick around and speaking your opinion on the subject. There is a give and take to discussion that , when it works, makes even dissidents a valid part of the conversation.
That's why I think Heavy is funny. He's clearly not a dumb person, but he plows headlong into discussions without really thinking about how to actually engage the others in a non hostile way.
Kacho
Member
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Sure you are.
Don't be coy, you know exactly what you are doing.
If that were the case I wouldn't have waited a half hour to refresh the page to read all the replies. By the way, the way you worded your post and put the
reads like you're just trying to get me in trouble.Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Ah ok. I was wondering because when I was younger (teenager), I really didn't like games made purely to capture great gameplay, and was much more interested in stuff like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid (story-heavy games). Once the Wii came out (graduating high-school) I made a turn towards liking both. Now, 22, I enjoy gameplay-focused games more then story-heavy games, just because I figured out most video game stories, characters, etc. suck.... badly. In fact the last few games I can think of that totally engrossed me, and had an actual engaging storyline was: Journey, Shattered Memories, SOTC, Metroid Prime, Half-Life series, and Beyond Good and Evil, Windwaker, and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Anyways, I've grown tastes for both as I got older, but my taste has changed in age toward gameplay. But, my theory for you was wrong.
Off-Topic: I'm in Nursing btw.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Edit: DP, stupid phone.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Ah ok. I was wondering because when I was younger (teenager), I really didn't like games made purely to capture great gameplay, and was much more interested in stuff like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid (story-heavy games). Once the Wii came out (graduating high-school) I made a turn towards liking both. Now, 22, I enjoy gameplay-focused games more then story-heavy games, just because I figured out most video game stories, characters, etc. suck.... badly. In fact the last few games I can think of that totally engrossed me, and had an actual engaging storyline was: Journey, Shattered Memories, SOTC, Metroid Prime, Half-Life series, and Beyond Good and Evil, Windwaker, and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting.
Anyways, I've grown tastes for both as I got older, but my taste has changed in age toward gameplay. But, my theory for you was wrong.
Off-Topic: I'm in Nursing btw.
This would have been an interesting topic to discuss in a diff thread. For me it's the exact opposite... as a kid all you care about is explosions and shit, you can't really follow stories that well (at least I couldn't), especially with adult themes or just any complex theme. Then you get older and you can understand the nuances of the plot and characters. That's how it was for me. Same thing with other form of media; movies, TV, music. I'd have no idea what was going on in Breaking Bad if I was 10.
Exterminieren
Banned
It's precisely because I enjoy depth and nuance in storytelling that most video game plots and stories hold very little appeal for me. They're often either wafer-thin excuses for explosions or so hilariously over-wrought that they impede gameplay.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That's a great point, don't have much else to add.
I guess atmosphere is another aspect, getting 'sucked into the world' can still happen even if the story is just average but this might have more to do with art style and graphics.
Mama Robotnik
Member
I stared at my screen dumbfounded. First of all, just to amend your ignorance:
Kamek pre-nervous breakdown:
His dialogue and animation become gradually more frantic as the game goes on. He goes from zealous confidence to spite, bargaining, pleading, begging and eventual total nervous breakdown. The opening of every boss battle shows his degradation, leading to:
At which point Kamek is crushed and discarded.
This is the most devastating quote I've ever seen on NeoGAF. Forget "Square Enix Just Shot Themselves In The Foot" or the nonsense spewed in the Uncharted 8/10 thread. This damning condemnation of a game for being "pure gameplay" is the spawn of a gaming mindset I do not ever wish to understand.
You don't like the Mario games? No problem, opinions are great and all that. You condemn games for being "pure gameplay"? I hope to Hell that you are an isolated case.
Stormwatch
Member
The issue is out now on iPad. I took a really quick look and there is some new info. We can see pictures of Yoshi eating fruit, Ice Mario in an underwater castle, Monte Moles in a Mario World stage, and some sort of race level over lava. Looks really nice. Also, there are a few pictures of the Nintendo Land Metroid game. I'm going to go read some more and report back.
So funny to see the same 3 to 4 people whining about NSMBU being on the Cover.
Let´s state the obvious:
It is a motherfucking new 2D Mario Game in HD coming as a launch title for a new Nintendo console.
There won´t be a bigger game in the next 12 month. Like it or not, a new Mario on a new console is a juggernaut and absolutely deserves to be on a cover of every gaming magazine in the coming months.
We'll see. I think there is good reason to be skeptical of how well it will sell and how big it will actually be.
Too much uncertainty surrounding how well the Wii U will sell and how much franchise fatigue the NSMB franchise has accumulated. The 3DS one doesn't seem to be setting the world on fire so far.
And then don't forget the next 12 months are littered with other sales juggernauts like CoD, AC, Borderlands, GTAV, etc that could all vie for the title of "biggest game in the next 12 months".
Does it give any indication of whether there will be a Super Mario World style interconnected overworld (as opposed to the SMB3 style separate hub worlds for each set of stages)? The other SMW similarities have made me hopeful.
JordanLMiller
Member
I'm late, but wow this is amazing!
Mama Robotnik
Member
Its genuinely the most concerning thing I've seen a supposed video games fan say on here.
If there are more like him, then god knows where the future of gaming is going. Movies that you can occasionally save your progress on, perhaps?
grimshawish
Banned
Pure gameplay - count moi, and the many millions more IN. \o/