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[JaggedSac]

http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/ Section 2 Platforms

It is 360/Durango definitely, PS3 if they can. Doesn't mention PS4 until Destiny #2.

 

[i-Lo]

http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/ Section 2 Platforms

It is 360/Durango definitely, PS3 if they can. Doesn't mention PS4 until Destiny #2.

Sounds like it will be akin to Mass Effect situation.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

Accepting money from one just means turning down money from customers of the other. When you're trying to launch a hugely expensive, decade long, multi-game franchise it seems extremely risky to be placing bets on any particular platform for a relatively small, short term gain. What if Sony runs away with this generation? The last thing Bungie and Activision need is PlayStation fans resenting and badmouthing Destiny as long as it's around.

Actually, when talking about why Agent was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive, Take-Two's president said that when launching a new ambitious franchise, it pays to have a platform holder supporting it at the first step:

Speaking with GameSpot on the Electronic Entertainment Expo show floor, Feder explained the decision to develop the game solely for Sony's console. "The trade-offs a publisher will typically make is, if you're platform-agnostic, you get a larger installed base," he said. "You're platform exclusive when you get the right kind of support from first parties."

Take-Two believes Sony will offer the same kind of support that made Grand Theft Auto III, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas--all initially PlayStation 2 exclusives--three of the top 10 selling games of all time. Said Feder, "At this phase in the cycle, when you're trying to launch a new franchise, exclusivity can really help you launch the franchise. It can give you the kind of platform that you need to start exclusive, start in the right kind of way with the right kind of partner. Exclusivity does work."

Any such exclusivity would be temporary, of course, both in Destiny's and Agent's case.

Microsoft has always owned the rights to PGR. Don't expect Playground games or Turn 10 to develop a new PGR as both are already set on a Forza schedule, I really don't think Microsoft is going to have three first party racing game studios either. If PGR were to come back it would have to be a 2nd party developer.

Playground is not a first party studio either.

 

[iMax]

Microsoft has always owned the rights to PGR. Don't expect Playground games or Turn 10 to develop a new PGR as both are already set on a Forza schedule, I really don't think Microsoft is going to have three first party racing game studios either. If PGR were to come back it would have to be a 2nd party developer.

I bet Lucid are making it.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Hopefully, the beginning of next generation doesn't rekindle 3rd party exclusivity. I guess when the console manufacturers are trying to differentiate themselves early on and while the userbases are so low, it may make some kind of sense but it's a shitty deal for gamers.

 

[MCD]

Guys is this really a DVR box

 

[DBT85]

Guys is this really a DVR box

We don't know yet. There are suspicions on that front however.

 

[Clay Davis]

Hopefully, the beginning of next generation doesn't rekindle 3rd party exclusivity. I guess when the console manufacturers are trying to differentiate themselves early on and while the userbases are so low, it may make some kind of sense but it's a shitty deal for gamers.

any exclusives will more than likely be timed this time round and not fully exclusive unless there's a big gap between the console launching and all rumours point to that not being the case.

 

[Can Crusher]

I don't see how exclusives are shitty deals for gamers.

1st party, 2nd party, 3rd party...it's the reason why you would want to own 1 over the other or both to begin with.

A shitty deal for gamers is when a multiplatform game costs the same across platforms but doesn't offer the same content or performance for example. That's a shitty deal.

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

So whats the latest word/rumor? Good news or bad news when it comes to the specs?

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

I don't see how exclusives are shitty deals for gamers.

1st party, 2nd party, 3rd party...it's the reason why you would want to own 1 over the other or both to begin with.

A shitty deal for gamers is when a multiplatform game costs the same across platforms but doesn't offer the same content or performance for example. That's a shitty deal.

Especially if it's a case where the content might not exist had first party publishing money not been involved.

Also, what does it matter if its a DVR box? It's going to have all of the third party titles a console usually has and a bunch of first party... it'll be as much a gaming machine as the 360 ever was and as much of a media machine as Microsoft wants. It isn't one or the other.

 

[mrgreen]

I understand that flops are not the best measure in figuring out how powerful a gpu, well simply because everybody says it lol

but, this will probably come off as a dumb haha.

the jump in flops from the first xbox to the 360 from just the gpu was like 40x wasn't it? I mean the first xbox's gpu was like 6gflops and the 360 was 240gflops. 40x jump in 4 years is huge.

And we are expecting the durango gpu to only be 6-8 times the flops of the 360 gpu?

I guess I just don't get the significant roll everything else plays because to me it seems like such an insignificant jump after 8 years.

and yes, my tech knowledge is totally basic so I apologize if my ignorance offends you.

How many times better than the 360 GPU is even a 680 GPU? Not 40 X is it? Looks like technology advancements have slowed downb quite a lot then in recent years?

I honestly didn't think the difference between Xbox and 360 was as big as from PS1 and N64 to the Xbox, say.

 

[mrgreen]

Ps1 emulation is far from perfect...very few Ps1 games run without any errors under emulation today.

Is that when emulated on PC? I've never even tried. I love N64 emulation and even a PC from early 2000 can run N64 games better than they were on the N64.

I always wondered why the 360 is powerful enough to run many Xbox games by emulation but much more powerful PC aren't.

 

[Ramblin]

Guys is this really a DVR box

I don't know but my ps3 plays netflix, this is horrible...I hate added value.

 

[pixlexic]

I would love am os level game recording option but that's wishful thinking.

What they should add is a FPS overlay. It would probably puss off it of developers but it would make them think twice about releasing a game with a low frame rate.

 

[SparkTR]

Ps1 emulation is far from perfect...very few Ps1 games run without any errors under emulation today.

Look up Zebra, it's a Japanese PS1 emulator that's accurate. There are other more popular ones like ePSXe, those do feel 'hacky' but they offer much more customization and options. Regardless PSX emulation is pretty great and an extremely viable alternative to playing on the real thing.

I always wondered why the 360 is powerful enough to run many Xbox games by emulation but much more powerful PC aren't.

It comes down to documentation and interest. Xbox's hardware is poorly documented and thus it requires significant work for developers on the outside, since they have to figure it out the hard way. That would be fine, but there's very little community interest in Xbox emulation since a lot of games on that platform are already natively on PC. That's the crux of it pretty much, and since so much of the industry is multiplatform these days that interest is probably going to remain scarce.

 

[TheOddOne]

What is interesting to note is that placing Phil Harrison as head of the Europe division was to improve their position in Europe. Since he was hired, they have bought Danish developer Press Play and started an incubation studio called Lift.

It will be intresting to see what they do publishing wise over there.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

I bet Lucid are making it.

Hopefully!

 

[Clay Davis]

who are lucid? what other racers have they developed?

 

[Can Crusher]

What is interesting to note is that placing Phil Harrison as head of the Europe division was to improve their position in Europe. Since he was hired, they have bought Danish developer Press Play and started an incubation studio called Lift.

It will be intresting to see what they do publishing wise over there.

Phil Harrison pushed for social gaming and smaller digital games on Ps3, and he is a big believer in cloud gaming. So he's probably going to push for those same markets he believes in.

I don't expect any big games or big studios in his vision.

 

[abadguy]

who are lucid? what other racers have they developed?

They are Remnants of Bizarre Creations who worked on the PGR series.

 

[TheOddOne]

Phil Harrison pushed for social gaming and smaller digital games on Ps3, and he is a big believer in cloud gaming. So he's probably going to push for those same markets he believes in.

I don't expect any big games or big studios in his vision.

Which doesn't mean a bad thing for gamers. He was instrumental in the push for LittleBigPlanet, Singstar and working with up and coming European Studios.

 

[mrklaw]

I don't see how exclusives are shitty deals for gamers.

1st party, 2nd party, 3rd party...it's the reason why you would want to own 1 over the other or both to begin with.

A shitty deal for gamers is when a multiplatform game costs the same across platforms but doesn't offer the same content or performance for example. That's a shitty deal.

....and then you make your informed choice...and then a game you really want is announced for the other platform.

If you're a Multiplatform owner then you are ok, but exclusives are not good for those only planning on buying one console

 

[Krabardaf]

How many times better than the 360 GPU is even a 680 GPU? Not 40 X is it? Looks like technology advancements have slowed downb quite a lot then in recent years?

Sorry to be captain obvious on that one, but " X times more powerful than..." is a formula that needs to die.

680 destroys Xenos in every imaginable way, it is incredibly more powerful and technologically advanced.

I don't think technology has slowed down at all, but there are interesting trends, notably the smartphones and tablet market that pushed the industry into producing low voltage high performance chips.
Many interesting things on that front, efficiency and overall power of low voltage chips have evolved crazy fast in the last year.
Just look at the Vita, and remember what it was like only 5 years before that. Insane if you ask me.

 

[deadlast]

Phil Harrison pushed for social gaming and smaller digital games on Ps3, and he is a big believer in cloud gaming. So he's probably going to push for those same markets he believes in.

I don't expect any big games or big studios in his vision.

Perfect person to oversee the fable mmo

 

[Can Crusher]

....and then you make your informed choice...and then a game you really want is announced for the other platform.

If you're a Multiplatform owner then you are ok, but exclusives are not good for those only planning on buying one console

Well I wish every Mac app, Windows app, Android App, worked on one single device but that's just not the way of the world.

Competition can't just exist at a hardware/interface level.

If I go out there and buy a Wii U, I can't expect to be offered the same as a Ps4. Is that bad for gamers? Well until an universal baseline platform is created (like cinema, t.v) then it will always be like this.

Which doesn't mean a bad thing for gamers. He was instrumental in the push for LittleBigPlanet, Singstar and working with up and coming European Studios.

Wasn't saying it was bad, was just making my observation on what he will probably output.

 

[Clay Davis]

They are Remnants of Bizarre Creations who worked on the PGR series.

this is brilliant news. now I really do hope they are hard at work on pgr5.

 

[iMax]

Microsoft has always owned the rights to PGR. Don't expect Playground games or Turn 10 to develop a new PGR as both are already set on a Forza schedule, I really don't think Microsoft is going to have three first party racing game studios either. If PGR were to come back it would have to be a 2nd party developer.

They are Remnants of Bizarre Creations who worked on the PGR series.

Ludic producing it seems likely. The exact same thing happened with Crackdown.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Playground is not a first party studio either.

Maybe not but they might as well be one, even their IP (Horizon) was helped in development by Turn 10.

 

[clav]

Guys is this really a DVR box

Partially true.

Will be the home entertainment box.

 

[mrgreen]

Sorry to be captain obvious on that one, but " X times more powerful than..." is a formula that needs to die.

680 destroys Xenos in every imaginable way, it is incredibly more powerful and technologically advanced.

I don't think technology has slowed down at all, but there are interesting trends, notably the smartphones and tablet market that pushed the industry into producing low voltage high performance chips.
Many interesting things on that front, efficiency and overall power of low voltage chips have evolved crazy fast in the last year.
Just look at the Vita, and remember what it was like only 5 years before that. Insane if you ask me.

Did you read who/what I was replying to? I know all that, but the guy I was replying to was saying he was a bit disappointed by Durango's GPU only being about 6-8 times more powerful than the 360 GPU, when the 360 GPU was 40X more powerful than the GPU in the first Xbox...I was just pointing out (more like asking if) that even the 680 isn't 40X more powerful than the 360 GPU.

EDIT: Sorry, I agree with your post.

 

[triggaz]

I don't see how exclusives are shitty deals for gamers.

1st party, 2nd party, 3rd party...it's the reason why you would want to own 1 over the other or both to begin with.

A shitty deal for gamers is when a multiplatform game costs the same across platforms but doesn't offer the same content or performance for example. That's a shitty deal.

This is gaf so the real shitty thing is MS exclusives.

 

[thuway]

Microsoft has always owned the rights to PGR. Don't expect Playground games or Turn 10 to develop a new PGR as both are already set on a Forza schedule, I really don't think Microsoft is going to have three first party racing game studios either. If PGR were to come back it would have to be a 2nd party developer.

I envision a great racing future at launch for both Orbis and Durango .

 

[Clay Davis]

Partially true.

Will be the home entertainment box.

somewhat useless for those who already have dvr though. I do find the idea of the hdmi in socket intriguing though. having a durango overlay on my dvr / stb feed would be pretty darn sweet.

 

[derFeef]

I envision a great racing future at launch for both Orbis and Durango .

I envision great games for both consoles. I am an insider! (sorry)

 

[aegies]

The "it's designed primarily as a DVR" crowd are going to look really dumb. Or rather, they would, if the internet had any sort of memory for stupid things people say and stupid assumptions they make before consoles launch. Which it really doesn't.

 

[derFeef]

The "it's designed primarily as a DVR" crowd are going to look really dumb.

I hope so, it's tiresome.

 

[triggaz]

The "it's designed primarily as a DVR" crowd are going to look really dumb.

They already do.

 

[Reiko]

The "it's designed primarily as a DVR" crowd are going to look really dumb.

At least we've evolved from 1.5. Still not there yet. The wait to the full reveal will be painful.

 

[Clay Davis]

At least we've evolved from 1.5. Still not there yet. The wait to the full reveal will be painful.

the problem is any mention of dvr will be enough for people to continue proclaiming it's a primarily a dvr and so on. we've seen it before with xbox 1.5. give people the smallest opening and they'll run and run and run with it.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Accepting money from one just means turning down money from customers of the other. When you're trying to launch a hugely expensive, decade long, multi-game franchise it seems extremely risky to be placing bets on any particular platform for a relatively small, short term gain. What if Sony runs away with this generation? The last thing Bungie and Activision need is PlayStation fans resenting and badmouthing Destiny as long as it's around.

That early in the generation, when both userbases are so small, getting extra money for a very short window of exclusivity is a win win. They effectively get tons of press two much hyped launches, MS gets a Bungie launch title, Sony gets to hype stealing a former Xbox exclusive, or vice versa.

 

[Hindle]

Certain publishers will no doubt prefer the next Xbox or Playstation. Besthesda have always had more support for MS as an example.

As it showed with Gears, MS can buy a exclusive from a 3rd party if they want, they can bankroll any game or publisher.

 

[aegies]

Most exclusives this generation will be timed, which is what really matters. The only exceptions being developers that have already acted as functional second parties to the major platform holders.

 

[Xamdou]

Certain publishers will no doubt prefer the next Xbox or Playstation. Besthesda have always had more support for MS as an example.

As it showed with Gears, MS can buy a exclusive from a 3rd party if they want, they can bankroll any game or publisher they want.

Seeing as how MS has less first-party developers this time around, the only way to get exclusive third-party launch titles is to secure them by funding them or $$$ contracts. After a couple of months those games will appear on other consoles.

 

[Ashes]

Most exclusives this generation will be timed, which is what really matters. The only exceptions being developers that have already acted as functional second parties to the major platform holders.

I doubt that you can know how the three platforms will ride out gen 8.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I thought MS has been opening new studios like a mad man?

 

[specialguy]

http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/ Section 2 Platforms

It is 360/Durango definitely, PS3 if they can. Doesn't mention PS4 until Destiny #2.

bubu, orbis is gonna crush durango cus it's teh more powafu...

 

[abadguy]

I thought MS has been opening new studios like a mad man?

They have actually. Hiring a lot of talent too. Didn't they recently get some guys from Naughty Dog and Irrational?

 

[gaming_noob]

I thought MS has been opening new studios like a mad man?

I must have missed something. Where did you read that they weren't?

 

[specialguy]

Most exclusives this generation will be timed, which is what really matters. The only exceptions being developers that have already acted as functional second parties to the major platform holders.

or it'll be a lot of timed dlc really.

which this gen seemed to mostly favor microsoft moneyhats.

even timed (full title) exclusives are extremely rare if not nonexistent anymore.

edit: 468k views on this thread. people are getting really interested in next gen. these type of threads used to be also rans with maybe 30k views...