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[Dahbomb]

The comments in this thread are now hysterical. And I am talking about the hair comments... all you DmC supporters should be present in the OT and sharing your thoughts/experiences on the game rather than making fun of the fanbase. Instead the OT is run mostly by old DMC fans who have an interest in this type of game and genre. I just see a bunch of sideline watchers looking at numbers, making off hand comments and just crunching their popcorns while pointing fingers.

Anyway the game did worse than I thought it would. Even I underestimated the fanbase on this one, I thought the loss in hardcore fan sales would be offset by newcomers interested in the new take on the series. I thought Capcom would reach their goal of 2 million but I guess that's not the case.

I hope it can do at least as good as Heavenly Sword, it's going to be a travesty if more people played HS than this game which is a technically superior game.

 

[Skilletor]

I like that Dahbomb doesn't have a shitty avatar anymore.

 

[LTWheels]

People's fanboyism means they are missing out on a good game. Shame really.

Just image if half the people constantly discussing this game actually bought it.

 

[Vazra]

My oppinion : I liked the new dante more then the old shithead-i-dont-care-because-im-gay dante. The new game is overall better then any other DMC. Sometimes the socalled "die hard fans" are the cancer of gaming. Crying because nothing changes and crying because something changes.

Surprised the ban hammer hasnt attacked yet.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Deserved.

They took an ip that was at its peak commercially and destroyed it. This wasn't an RE4 type situation where the games had been declining for years commercially, either. DMC4 sold the highest in the entire series (2.5 mil IIRC), and you suddenly decide it's a great idea to alienate those people by rebooting the series for people who previously didn't give a shit about it? Hope you take those revised sales, put some salt on it, and choke that shit down Capcom--for you have no-one to blame but yourself for this one.

Yeah this is what I don't get about the decision either. DMC did not have a great track record thanks to 2, but they did a lot to recover with DMC3 and DMC4 was the series' big multiplatform debut. It came pretty early in the generation and was well received. Had a TON of momentum to really come out swinging with a follow-up DMC5 and really take the franchise to new heights. They really did a lot to fuck all that up, with the reboot in the first place but also taking so damn long to do it.

While I definitely prefer 3's characters and story, 4 is really approachable and has very solid combat mechanics. They really could have killed it with DMC5 but they seemed to decide that the series deserved more sales when it really didn't, until it got spectacularly better to appeal to a wider audience. Capcom had too much faith in themselves and their IP yet again.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Not surprised. The game isn't very good outside of its art direction and some of its combat.

I just don't get this. Opinions I guess, but overall I'd put DmC above DMC4. Both are solid games, but I'm more of a character/story guy and DmC did way better at that than 4. Combat in 4 was a bit deeper, but you also just did a ton of back-tracking so it got boring.

I enjoyed both games. It's almost like the Prince of Persia scenario. I love PoP 2008, but then they went right back to regular PoP, which was decent as well.

 

[Zephyrus]

While I'm aware DmC is a good game, I'm happy it failed to meet expectations.

Why?

Because I do not like Ninja Theory's attitude. A developer who trashes the fans of the game they're making?
They don't have my respect.

Here's hoping for DMC5.

 

[rottame]

Say goodbye to action games, people.
This, Bayonetta, Vanquish and Ninja Gaiden sold quite poorly.
Now, this doesn't mean that Capcom will apologize and get back to develop DMC5 as some of you seem to hope. This means no one will invest in combat-focused action games anymore.

 

[Dahbomb]

My oppinion : I liked the new dante more then the old shithead-i-dont-care-because-im-gay dante. The new game is overall better then any other DMC. Sometimes the socalled "die hard fans" are the cancer of gaming. Crying because nothing changes and crying because something changes.

 

[WickedLaharl]

 

[Retro_]

Sad to know that 1.2 million doesn't cut it anymore.

???

That's not what it sold. Just their readjusted shipment expectations. Down from 2 mil.

Basically means game did a lot worse than they expected. And that they've adjusted their expectations accordingly.

No indication at all of what their actual profit margins are

I didn't like this interpretation of the franchise, and voted with my wallet to reflect as much.

Pleased to see my perspective well represented in the polls. lol

Game seems fine though. Should be fun to play come winter sale

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Say goodbye to action games, people.
This, Bayonetta, Vanquish and Ninja Gaiden sold quite poorly.
Now, this doesn't mean that Capcom will apologize and get back to develop DMC5 as some of you seem to hope. This means no one will invest in combat-focused action games anymore.

I was going to write up a list of every announced action game, but fuck it. It's somewhere else in this thread.

 

[Dahbomb]

Just image if half the people constantly discussing this game actually bought it.

Imagine if half the people complaining about fans complaining about hair color actually bought the game.

Nothing is worse than complainers complaining about complainers.

 

[Skilletor]

I just don't get this. Opinions I guess, but overall I'd put DmC above DMC4. Both are solid games, but I'm more of a character/story guy and DmC did way better at that than 4. Combat in 4 was a bit deeper, but you also just did a ton of back-tracking so it got boring.

I enjoyed both games. It's almost like the Prince of Persia scenario. I love PoP 2008, but then they went right back to regular PoP, which was decent as well.

Maybe, just maybe, fans of DMC care more for gameplay than stories?

People's fanboyism means they are missing out on a good game. Shame really.

Just image if half the people constantly discussing this game actually bought it.

I'm a fanboy of great action games. The best I've heard of DmC is that it's good if you don't compare it to past DMC games. I don't have lowered expectations.

Say goodbye to action games, people.
This, Bayonetta, Vanquish and Ninja Gaiden sold quite poorly.
Now, this doesn't mean that Capcom will apologize and get back to develop DMC5 as some of you seem to hope. This means no one will invest in combat-focused action games anymore.

Bayonetta 2 and MGR will be awesome.
NG3 sold like shit because it was shit. NG3RE made some solid steps in the right direction, and I expect the trend will continue with NG4.
Vanquish is a TPS. I wouldn't compare it with DMC/Bayo/Gow/

 

[Glass Rebel]

I just don't get this. Opinions I guess, but overall I'd put DmC above DMC4. Both are solid games, but I'm more of a character/story guy and DmC did way better at that than 4. Combat in 4 was a bit deeper, but you also just did a ton of back-tracking so it got boring.

I enjoyed both games. It's almost like the Prince of Persia scenario. I love PoP 2008, but then they went right back to regular PoP, which was decent as well.

This seems to be the trend with those who prefer it over the original series.

 

[Dahbomb]

I don't understand why the blame is on the "hardcore fans" for DmC under performing.

Where are all the 5 million God of War fans? Where are all the casual dudebro gamers? Isn't that the target demography for this game?

Why is it that a bunch of hardcore fans suddenly such an important factor in the success of the game? I thought these hardcore fans made up 0.1% of the people who bought DMC4...

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

I just don't get this. Opinions I guess, but overall I'd put DmC above DMC4. Both are solid games, but I'm more of a character/story guy and DmC did way better at that than 4. Combat in 4 was a bit deeper, but you also just did a ton of back-tracking so it got boring.

Because combat is the most important thing in a DMC game to a lot of the fans? Unlike a lot of reviewers their main metric for the quality of a DMC game isn't if some of the levels feature pretty backgrounds. Also the story direction isn't as cut and dry as you make it; Nero's story was terrible but Dante's obscenely bombastic performance in 4 was far more entertaining than any of the narrative in DmC to me.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Somewhat related, the UK charts for last week

The Top 20 UK charts for the week ending February 2:

1. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
2. FIFA 13
3. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
4. Far Cry 3
5. Hitman HD Trilogy
6. Assassin's Creed III
7. Need for Speed: Most Wanted
8. Just Dance 4
9. Hitman: Absolution
10. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
11. DmC: Devil May Cry
12. Football Manager 2013
13. Halo 4
14. Forza Horizon
15. Skylanders Giants
16. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
17. LEGO: The Lord of the Rings
18. Sonic & All-Stars Racing: Transformed
19. WWE '13
20. Sleeping Dogs

Outsold by Skyrim? lol

 

[Supermanisdead]

Hm, too bad. I liked the demo, but I had too many games when it came out. I'll still pick it up one day, but most of my game energy is reserved. I was hoping it would do well enough so they could fix some of the issues for a sequel.

And people celebrating - lol. Dragons Dogma 2 is probably going to come out before an internally developed DMC5.

 

[TreIII]

Yeah, we should all be slaves to metacritic instead of formulating our own opinions!

Why do people think the development costs of DMC and Bayonetta would be the same? I'd be willing to bet that Bayonetta selling 1.2 million made more profit than DMC selling 1.2 million.

Exactly. P*'s wares may not sell millions, but it doesn't hurt their projects as much because those are not driven by AAA budgets.

It's probably a good portion of the reason Nintendo was interested in doing business in them. Not only would P*'s games stand to fill a nice niche, but it wouldn't cost them an arm and a leg, either.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

This seems to be the trend with those who prefer it over the original series.

Possibly I guess. Like I said I enjoyed the combat in both games so it fell on other categories to determine my overall feeling on the game. I clicked more with this new iteration than DMC4, but liked both. I felt the story was much easier to follow and had better characters in the reboot (which is Ninja Theory's strength). Too bad they couldn't bring NT in on DMC5 but let the old team do the gameplay.

 

[Skilletor]

Possibly I guess. Like I said I enjoyed the combat in both games so it fell on other categories to determine my overall feeling on the game. I clicked more with this new iteration than DMC4, but liked both. I felt the story was much easier to follow and had better characters in the reboot (which is Ninja Theory's strength). Too bad they couldn't bring NT in on DMC5 but let the old team do the gameplay.

As long as it was Capcom's engine and I could skip cutscenes, I would be completely okay with this.

And people celebrating - lol. Dragons Dogma 2 is probably going to come out before an internally developed DMC5.

I'm okay with this as well. Dragons Dogma is amazing. I just wish it wasn't hindered by the current console generation. Dragon's Dogma 2 should be fuck-awesome.

 

[Jathaine]

Dragons Dogma 2 is probably going to come out before an internally developed DMC5.

Good. I was very pleased with Dragon's Dogma and would love to see more. Especially more than DmC 2.
I'd rather have DMC5 of course, but DD2 as a hold-over would be pretty good.

 

[Chamber]

Somewhat related, the UK charts for last week

The Top 20 UK charts for the week ending February 2:

1. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
2. FIFA 13
3. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
4. Far Cry 3
5. Hitman HD Trilogy
6. Assassin's Creed III
7. Need for Speed: Most Wanted
8. Just Dance 4
9. Hitman: Absolution
10. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
11. DmC: Devil May Cry
12. Football Manager 2013
13. Halo 4
14. Forza Horizon
15. Skylanders Giants
16. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
17. LEGO: The Lord of the Rings
18. Sonic & All-Stars Racing: Transformed
19. WWE '13
20. Sleeping Dogs

Outsold by Skyrim? lol

Terrible. I think Dahbomb should return his moneyhat.

 

[BrokenEchelon]

As a Devil May Cry fan, this makes me very happy.

And no, I don't care that it's potentially bad for the series. Lucas didn't stop after Phantom Menace and look what we got as a sequel.

I'd rather it just end than keep getting worse/straying off the path.

(Yes, I've played and beaten DmC).

 

[diamount]

Somewhat related, the UK charts for last week

The Top 20 UK charts for the week ending February 2:

1. Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
2. FIFA 13
3. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
4. Far Cry 3
5. Hitman HD Trilogy
6. Assassin's Creed III
7. Need for Speed: Most Wanted
8. Just Dance 4
9. Hitman: Absolution
10. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
11. DmC: Devil May Cry
12. Football Manager 2013
13. Halo 4
14. Forza Horizon
15. Skylanders Giants
16. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
17. LEGO: The Lord of the Rings
18. Sonic & All-Stars Racing: Transformed
19. WWE '13
20. Sleeping Dogs

Outsold by Skyrim? lol

Can't believe Sleeping Dogs is still selling.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

So let me get this straight. Bayonetta didn't cost much to make and Sega were pleased with its sales (source?). Yet at the same time it wasn't considered a safe investment for them to greenlight a sequel so it was cancelled and PG were put to work on Anarchy Reigns, a new IP funded with money that Sega didn't have. Riiiiight.

I'm not sure if Sega was pleased with Bayo sales or not. It shipped a healthy amount upfront (1.1m iirc) but western sellthrough was pitifully low (it bombed hard in NPD iirc) and I expect most copies moved after it was quickly bargain binned. Platinum also only delivered Bayo 360 so Sega had to oursource the PS3 version to NEX Entertainment, which likely added more costs.

That said, the scale of investment for Bayo 2 vs Anarchy Reigns was undoubtedly vast. AR is a relatively small scale brawler that transitioned easily to low risk digital only release. Sega's plans for Bayo though included not only a full multiplatform sequel but also a full length CG film from Sega Sammy Visual Entertainment. Sega's plans were to turn Bayo into a big crossmedia project, and that was what actually got scrapped. Bayo 2 sadly went with it, but Sega management probably saw it as an all or nothing prospect. At least it created to opportunity for Nintendo to swoop in and rescue the game.

 

[HYDE]

I'd venture a guess that Bayonetta 2 is going to do even worse numbers. One platform, and if DmC didn't sell I don't see how the much more far out Bayonetta will.

You come across as a bitter. Especially looking at your reactions to others who don't appreciate the game. Also, looking at how much your precious bastardization did not appeal to it's original fan base.

 

[evangd007]

Then where did they find that money to acquire Relic from THQ?

Sega's PC side is actually competent, as opposed to their console side. They cut most of their console retail releases because they lose money outside of very few exceptions like Sonic and Yakuza.

 

[RoboPlato]

Hopefully factoring in PC sales and digital PSN sales will help it out. I like the game a lot and it's a solid base to build a great sequel on if they listen to the complaints (colored enemies, no lock on).

 

[Diablos54]

This is what happens when you piss off all the people who buy DMC in an effort to entice 'casual' fans who don't give a shit. And then you give it to NT. Well done, Capcom, this is well deserved IMO.

 

[Dave1988]

Hopefully factoring in PC sales and digital PSN sales will help it out. I like the game a lot and it's a solid base to build a great sequel on if they listen to the complaints (colored enemies, no lock on).

I doubt PSN sales will make much of a difference. PC version sales might pick up once Donte may Cry hits Steam sale.

 

[Chamber]

As a Devil May Cry fan, this makes me very happy.

And no, I don't care that it's potentially bad for the series. Lucas didn't stop after Phantom Menace and look what we got as a sequel.

I'd rather it just end than keep getting worse/straying off the path.

(Yes, I've played and beaten DmC).

Attack of the Clones? Oh dear...

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Also, Capcom updated their Platinum sales, with Resident Evil 6 at 4.8m, and the forecast cut down from 7m to 5m. Also, RE5 was updated to 6m lifetime sales.

"In the Digital Contents business, which constitutes our core competence, the flagship title Resident Evil 6 (for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360), despite recording brisk sales when it debuted, subsequently lost its momentum, resulting in the failure to achieve planned sales and fulfill its role as a driver of sales expansion,"

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah I was shocked to see Dragon's Dogma selling 500K in Japan alone. Right now is looking like Dragon's Dogma 2 might actually come from Itsuno before he makes DMC5. Which essentially means DMC either being put on hiatus or NT making DmC2.

I just hope we still get more DMC games despite DmC's performance.

 

[PeterVenkman]

pretty much this. it's been a long haul. Maybe one day there will be no more white hair comments.

 

[TheSeks]

The feel of a game no one wanted or asked for (this), to a game series that people wanted a sequel for.

Oh, Capcom...

 

[airmangataosenai]

Wait guys, you're telling me that outsourcing a game to a studio known for nothing but failures doesn't mean instant sales success? STOP THE PRESSES!

At least now we don't have to worry about sequels to this spin-off anymore and can hopefully see a return to form for a sequel at some point next-gen.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

all you DmC supporters should be present in the OT and sharing your thoughts/experiences on the game rather than making fun of the fanbase. Instead the OT is run mostly by old DMC fans who have an interest in this type of game and genre. I just see a bunch of sideline watchers looking at numbers, making off hand comments and just crunching their popcorns while pointing fingers.
.

This here is the most important reason this game bombed. Don't point the finger at the hardcore as we were not supposed to be driving the sales of this game. Point it at yourselves for not picking up the slack.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Dragon's Dogma is currently at 1.3m, right alongside DMC3. I'd have to imagine the budget for DD was probably larger than DMC3, however.

But hey, Japan seems to really like it! Japan-exclusive DD2

Spoiler

for iOS

gooooo

edit: Oh, and DMC4 went from 2.6 million to 2.7 million. I thought that was kinda funny

 

[Facism]

I doubt PSN sales will make much of a difference. PC version sales might pick up once Donte may Cry hits Steam sale.

+1 PC sale for me as it was bomba price of £13 last week.

 

[Anteater]

Really fun game, some things I don't like, still had a lot of fun and spent many hours on it, it feels a bit rough especially playing on consoles at low framerate, wouldn't mind if they made another game and improve on what they have now, I don't know if Itsuno is going to be working closely with them for the sequel (he may as well just spend his time making DMC5 with the old team if he's going to be more involved).

Should've made a different game instead, it's kind of a waste since they could've come up with something more unique. I don't think the audience they seek for really exists, not sure who they're targeting, people would already be playing dmc if they were interested in these games with heavy focus on combos in the first place, seeing that the game resembles the old series in many ways, it feels a little pointless since a lot of the fanbase aren't interested in a reboot.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Wait guys, you're telling me that outsourcing a game to a studio known for nothing but failures doesn't mean instant sales success? STOP THE PRESSES!

I always got the feeling Capcom thought that the game would sell because there is some intangible quality about western development that makes games sell better in the west.

I kind of wonder if Japanese execs have a particularly holistic view of the game market here. Do they really only see the God of Wars, the Call of Duty's, etc.? Is there no one at Capcom that is saying to the executive board that "You know, the last game these guys made didn't do very well, maybe we need to be careful about how we present this?"

 

[Dahbomb]

Dragon's Dogma is currently at 1.3m, right alongside DMC3. I'd have to imagine the budget for DD was probably larger than DMC3, however.

But hey, Japan seems to really like it! Japan-exclusive DD2

Spoiler

for iOS

gooooo

Thing about Dragon's Dogma is that it has built up a good name and those who love it REALLY love it and are guaranteed back for a sequel. If Capcom play their cards right for next-gen, Dragon's Dogma could cross 2 million easily.

Start of next-gen is going to be starved for games and if they up the ante for DD2 it will end up doing very well. I would say the same for DmC2 if they fix up their PR and bring in more talent for the game. The people who actually put money down on DmC would not mind a sequel at all and with the attention it will get for being a next gen title with pretty graphics some casuals might get it as well.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

NT is in trouble.

 

[Jacob4815]

Great news!

 

[TreIII]

Yeah I was shocked to see Dragon's Dogma selling 500K in Japan alone. Right now is looking like Dragon's Dogma 2 might actually come from Itsuno before he makes DMC5. Which essentially means DMC either being put on hiatus or NT making DmC2.

I just hope we still get more DMC games despite DmC's performance.

If Itsuno really doesn't want to make any more DMC games because he's found his calling with DD, couldn't they/Kobayashi just get Neo_G to helm such a game instead (assuming he's not too busy making a fighter of some sort)?

I mean, you'd think the battle system director would be more than enough to handle the reigns of what makes a good DMC by himself...

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I really liked Dragon's Dogma and would probably not be excited for a Dragon's Dogma 2 made by Obsidian.

I also like Obsidian games, too.

 

[rvy]

How is DMC HD doing?

 

[BeautifulMemory]

Then Dahbomb would have to choose between marvel and DMC!