Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
The most mindblowing thing from this thread is the fact that someone out there really made a game where cars are fighting each other. Wow, hahaha.
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Sony officially cuts ties with Superbot; All-Stars DLC now handled by Santa Monica
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Riposte
Member
You mean "Senko no Ronde"? Never played it/don't know much about it. Apparently it is very good. "Versus Shooters" is a sort of a genre, not a very populated one though.
EDIT: Unless you mean some Touhou fighting game. I've never heard of such a thing existing, yet I know with 100% certainty it exists.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"Ikaruga's black/white mix-up game is scrub-tier, Raidant Silvergun has more options! Uh, but I don't mean Vic Viper options, he's clearly the best."
"Stop pickin Opa-Opa, man! His hitbox is Goldeneye Obbjob tier"
The Spoony Hou
Member
This is the best post I've seen. That Kaz Hirai feel. It's perfect. This guy should work for Sony.
Or maybe he does already?
Ok ok, it's missing crazy support for the game, but it's almost there.
Agent X
Member
It's sad to hear that this is happening to SuperBot, but it's not entirely surprising. I didn't think very much of PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale as a game, and it clearly didn't catch on with a sizable number of people.
As far as people shifting the blame for the game's reception solely to Sony, or solely to SuperBot, has anyone considered that both parties might be equally culpable?
Sony should have provided better direction for the game design, and they surely should have provided better marketing. It didn't need more marketing, just better marketing. They evidently put some serious dollars behind it, as they ran the TV commercial pretty frequently when it came out...the problem was that it did a terrible job at promoting the game. There was no in-game footage at all! People seeing the commercial might not even understand that it's supposed to be about a new game, rather than just a thematic "branding" ad like the famous "Michael" commercial they did in 2011.
Even though Sony was producing and overseeing the project, SuperBot could have done a much better job with the product. While some aspects of the game looked good, other parts (particularly the menus and user interface) looked incredibly amateurish. Regardless of what you think of the characters, the core fighting engine wasn't at all exciting or interesting. I enjoy fighting games, and I dig PlayStation lore, but the game itself did not appeal to me at all.
When all is said and done, there were multiple problems with the game, to the point where it's probably not worth the effort to even try to salvage it. I know they're releasing the Kat and Emmett DLC pack soon, but do you really expect much more? They could release 20 more new characters, but that alone won't fix the fundamental flaws in the game design and the fighting engine. If they release even one more DLC pack after that, then I'd actually be surprised.
As far as people shifting the blame for the game's reception solely to Sony, or solely to SuperBot, has anyone considered that both parties might be equally culpable?
Sony should have provided better direction for the game design, and they surely should have provided better marketing. It didn't need more marketing, just better marketing. They evidently put some serious dollars behind it, as they ran the TV commercial pretty frequently when it came out...the problem was that it did a terrible job at promoting the game. There was no in-game footage at all! People seeing the commercial might not even understand that it's supposed to be about a new game, rather than just a thematic "branding" ad like the famous "Michael" commercial they did in 2011.
Even though Sony was producing and overseeing the project, SuperBot could have done a much better job with the product. While some aspects of the game looked good, other parts (particularly the menus and user interface) looked incredibly amateurish. Regardless of what you think of the characters, the core fighting engine wasn't at all exciting or interesting. I enjoy fighting games, and I dig PlayStation lore, but the game itself did not appeal to me at all.
When all is said and done, there were multiple problems with the game, to the point where it's probably not worth the effort to even try to salvage it. I know they're releasing the Kat and Emmett DLC pack soon, but do you really expect much more? They could release 20 more new characters, but that alone won't fix the fundamental flaws in the game design and the fighting engine. If they release even one more DLC pack after that, then I'd actually be surprised.
Professor Beef
Banned
Just googled it, and that's what I was thinking of. Thank you!
famfrit
Member
This post really make sense.
Battle royale have very bad art direction, the character selection is ridiculous (where are the rpgs from sony ?) and you only need to see Sir Daniel to conclude that the core system is weak (level 1 being better than level 2 with a great number of characters dont make sense).
famfrit
Member
No, put Nathan drake in Marvel vs Capcom 3 engine and we have a Epic win !!!!
Sir Dan's level 2 is much better than his level 1. His level 1 only hits a short, specific area directly in front and 45 degrees above him. His level 2 homes in on multiple enemies automatically.
Callibretto
Member
I got yhe impression that sony basically switch focus across the board from working with small third party dev like superbot, esp, nihilistic etc to expand their internal studio to handle multiple projects themselves, which is why now nd, gg, and ssm now have more than 1 team.
So you mean that games like Twisted Metal and the others you mentioned would be tailor made for the higher service (PS++) with appropriate budgets for that service?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Sony has become worst than MS in regards to handling game developers. GTFO Sony, if you wanted the game to sell advertize it.
Called it like... last year.
I guess the game bombed REALLY HARD. hardly unexpected.
Advertisement probably would not have saved this game. When they put 2 coles and one fucking FAT PRINCESS into the roaster instead of all other characters, game's fate pretty much already decided.
I guess the game bombed REALLY HARD. hardly unexpected.
Advertisement probably would not have saved this game. When they put 2 coles and one fucking FAT PRINCESS into the roaster instead of all other characters, game's fate pretty much already decided.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yeah this too. No marketing at all for this game.
famfrit
Member
Sir Dan have the worst moveset of the game and every special of him are really bad.
Lightningbolt worst level 1 of the game, level 2 probably the worst level 2 and level 3 is just ordinary (c'mon you need a eternity to kill someone inside of aura from anubis stone).
By the way, Sir Dan animations are the better of the game...
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
It would have definitely helped the game.
Yeah, I kind of agree with this.
The closest we have to a crossover shooter is Uncharted 2 with the Killzone/Resistance constumes
And that shit is actually quite fun....
And I agree with this as well. The game is absolutely soulless... Like, it's crushing. Super Smash Bros feels alive! Yes, those adjectives are operationalized, but it's how I feel.
So why did Sony greenlite it in the beginning? Why didn´t they wait before they got a better roster?...
His level 2 is better than Sweet Tooth's, and that's just off the top of my head.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Oh my fucking god, I just realized this myself.
If they would have had Legend of Dragoon reps in there I would have bought this day one.
I'll never let that game die! Never!
Might sell few hundreds more copies but advertisement alone won't save below average game. For me as a character game, all stars was just... meh.
That's the biggest mystery to me too. Upper management clearly was smoking something really good while they did it ,that's is my suspicion.
Callibretto
Member
This game definitely didnt get aaa budget, looks like the point is to make it cheap and get small to decent profit, overspending on advertising may not be a good idea, a d it actually have plenty of marketing with michael ad and the live action trailer
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yeah, he should be fired. He is highly incompetent. He does not care about these collaboration with third party studios or the Vita.
LightofRohan
Member
Ah fuckkk. They were hanging on there by a thread. Damn... I was really looking forward to All-stars on PS4, it really required a sequel. The first one will always be bare bones and seeking identity.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Who had his current position before he was promoted shortly after the PS3 launched?
I hope whoever greenlighted 2 coles and fat princess never step a foot in game development. EVER.
To be fair, neither does SCEE. SCEJ is a different story but not as different.
Also Two Coles should've been Zelda/Shiek-like instead of two different characters. Biggest missed opportunity by Superbot there.
punkmaggit
Member
That's a real shame. I've done my part at least - bought Sony all stars day one and am doing the same with Sly 4.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
As if people would believe you saying that. It´s just one of your greatest fantasy that Sony kills the Vita now. I wonder if Nintendo pays you per month or per post.
Thamauturge
Banned
You know... I'm honestly kind of sad, mostly because I remember how optimistic those guys were at E3. Knowing they are out of a job now is pretty sad.
I do wonder if there's every going to be a second attempt by Sony at one of these. There was clearly some substantial hype during the year leading up to launch. There's definitely ways All-Stars could have sold better.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Sly 4 is coming out this week?
The fuck?
The fuck?
akidnamededdy
Banned
I'm honestly starting to think that they didn't WANT to show any/much gameplay in the advertising because at a glance, and not to beat this dead horse any more, the thing does kinda look like a pretty blatant Smash Bros. ripoff, and they wanted to distance themselves from that.
Of course, the problem with that was that they couldn't rely on the gameplay to sell the game to people clueless about it, so they had to rely on the roster, and well...we've already been over the roster.
No worries man. If they are really, really, really talented, then other studios will grab them like seconds.
if not.... best of luck.
except those who choose roaster.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
It´s Sony´s fault that Sony does not market the games. They are accountable when a game fails as much as the developers.
chertipros
Member
Oh fuck I just googled it, and apparently it came out 4 months ago! I never even knew It was announced!
It's actually out in less than 24 hours lol. Even has a bomba price of 40bucks.
Actually comes out in a half hour on the east coast
but its been discussed that this game got tons of marketing (and was a buy one game, get the other version free) special. Sony is also different than SCEA, but that might be too much to consider in this blaming phase. In fact, you said earlier there was no marketing, when others have stated quite the opposite. So why does it only fall on marketing when the game fails to perform, when there were a ton of factors working against it?
why is it "game didn't sell = marketing wasn't good enough?"
actually based on your response below, nevermind, ignore my rhetorical questions.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Yeah. New EA partners indeed. Fucking SCEA. Fucking Tretton.
I'll admit I did see advertising despite not seeing advertising for much of anything these days.
It's a hard product advertise though. It's like Smash Bros but with weird Sony characters I've never heard of? I think it just lacked appeal. Sony's best franchises haven't typically been their own.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Which is why as soon as they had licensing issues, they should've canceled the game instead of continuing. They had no stable to go through without a bunch of people going "where's <insert third party IP here>?"
There's a demo out on PSN if you'd like to try it out
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Just a heads up to the gaming industry: Do not put DmC Dante in your game, it wont do so hot....
Metallix87
Member
Indeed. Once Cloud Strife, Crash, Spyro, and Lara Croft weren't in, they should've realized this wouldn't be going the way they hoped it would.