So what do 8GB of GDDR5 RAM bring to games? It's a honest question as I really don't know. Is it more fidelity? More things on screen? More particles, explosions etc?
I just like that Sony is NOT fucking around. They refuse to have the worse version of multiplatforms games this gen. Fuck yeah
So what do 8GB of GDDR5 RAM bring to games? It's a honest question as I really don't know. Is it more fidelity? More things on screen? More particles, explosions etc?
If there's one thing I didn't expect after this conference, it's "whoa now this console is too powerful." As if that's a negative thing. Crazy!
So what do 8GB of GDDR5 RAM bring to games? It's a honest question as I really don't know. Is it more fidelity? More things on screen? More particles, explosions etc?
If there's one thing I didn't expect after this conference, it's "whoa now this console is too powerful." As if that's a negative thing. Crazy!
If there's one thing I didn't expect after this conference, it's "whoa now this console is too powerful." As if that's a negative thing. Crazy!
What people are trying to say, it's that 8GB GDDR5 doesn't make a system more powerful.
Now gaffers are even denying Beyond3D folks because of their common sense. This is madness.
I would be excited over a change to Intel Core CPU, or stronger GPU. Who cares about RAM asside from gaffers?
8GB where pretty meh on Durango for everyone, and now it's the next big thing just because Sony included it. This makes even less sense than that silly CELL hype.
It's a big thing because it's 8 GB of GDDR5. It will in fact be the first consumer device in existence with this memory configuration. It's fair to be excited about that.8GB were pretty meh on Durango for everyone, and now it's the next big thing just because Sony included it.
What people are trying to say, it's that 8GB GDDR5 doesn't make a system more powerful.
Now gaffers are even denying Beyond3D folks because of their common sense. This is madness.
I would be excited over a change to Intel Core CPU, or stronger GPU. Who cares about RAM asside from gaffers?
8GB were pretty meh on Durango for everyone, and now it's the next big thing just because Sony included it. This makes even less sense than that silly CELL hype.
From Bkilian:
They don't need to take a bloodbath. The RAM in the PS4 is easily a hundred dollars more BOM than the RAM parts in Durango. Considering the rest of the BOM will be similar, camera, controller, hdd, similar TDP, and a larger SOC, it will be Sony bleeding red if they want to compete on price.
Not saying he is entirely correct, but he would have a better idea than most of us.
Exactly. Developers still need the skill and know how to use that memory efficiently, of course. There will be limitations, and things that have to be worked around, but silly statements like "8GB DDR5 means nothing" are ignorant too.8 GB of RAM is absolutely not a negative (well, disregarding price).
However, I think some words of caution are not a bad idea, since many seem to have a hard time understanding what exactly it means, and what its impact is. See, for example, the initial responses like "1080p60 is not a problem now". This shows a massive lack of understanding of what an increase in memory capacity actually means.
I agree, 8GB of GDDR5 is terrible for gamers. Just the thought of it makes me sick. The smell, too, oh god that stench. Should've gone with 2 gigs max -- far better for gamers.A lot of people will be dissapointed once the box arrive and won't be able to match a GTX560ti with 1GB GDDR5.
You need processing power to do Volumetric shadows, not infinite memory pool. What is a '3D texture' to begin with? Developers will be happy once they wont need to optimize their bloated stuff to fit in, gamers will have shorter load times, because there wont be any better use for so much RAM in a so weak system.
In fact, it's most than probably than raw performance will be lowered down a bit, since they will have to loose timmings on the IMC for it to be able to hold double RAM.
There is a lot of people making laugh about the 8GB GDDR5 Meme, and people actually believing this is some sort of advanced stuff. Going from 4GB to 8GB in the same PCB is as easy as double sided PCB for memory chips. Later on, as chips will double the density, Sony will be able to halve the chip count for the cheaper revision of the board.
8GB is not good for gamers. Memory is boring stuff you need to feed the beasts. We, graphic whores, need more shader units, more ROP'S and TMU's, more speed and fillrate, and a better core CPU, not that crappy Jaguar stuff that our mommies use in their shitty Acer netbooks.
8GB GDDR5 is Sony being Sony after pay for preexisting tech instead of engineer it.
Do you even know what you're talking about? It's two very different types of RAM. *GB of GDDR5 is unheard of.
What people are trying to say, it's that 8GB GDDR5 doesn't make a system more powerful.
Now gaffers are even denying Beyond3D folks because of their common sense. This is madness.
I would be excited over a change to Intel Core CPU, or stronger GPU. Who cares about RAM asside from gaffers?
8GB were pretty meh on Durango for everyone, and now it's the next big thing just because Sony included it. This makes even less sense than that silly CELL hype.
So why even have RAM if it doesn't do anything? Why are developers constantly asking for more of it?It's most of you the ones not knowing what they are talking about.
You need RAM fast enough to not bottleneck your CPU/GPU. If your RAM is not fast enough, GPU will miss cycles waiting for it. If your RAM is fast enough, your GPU will miss less cycles. Thats it. Nothing more than this.
RAM doesn't do Volumetric Shadows, doesn't do AA, Raytracing, reflections, shaders... RAM doesn't do ANYTHING.
Bethesda engines will run better, that's for sure, without starving for RAM or needing to stream things. But graphics will be the same with 2GB reserved for GPU than with 6GB.
It's that difficult to understand this?
So why even have RAM if it doesn't do anything? Why are developers constantly asking for more of it?
Come on, son.
Developers: "8GB OF GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
Gamers: "8GB OF GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
GDDR5 Suppliers: "8GB of GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
Sony Accountants: "8GB of GDDR5?!? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!?"
You missed one:
dr. apocalipsis: 8GB of GDDR5?!? That's bad for gamers!
xD
It's pretty much pointless to have this much RAM. I'm doing some calculations here, but it's not looking pretty.
For one thing load times will be crazy for this device.
No way. OS isn't using more than 1GB.
This is pretty cool:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-spec-analysis-playstation-4
Developers: "8GB OF GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
Gamers: "8GB OF GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
GDDR5 Suppliers: "8GB of GDDR5?!? FUCKING AWESOME!"
Sony Accountants: "8GB of GDDR5?!? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!?"
dr. apocalipsis: 8GB of GDDR5?!? That's bad for gamers!
Wait, he really said that (including Halo)?
You missed one:
dr. apocalipsis: 8GB of GDDR5?!? That's bad for gamers!
xD
I get what people are saying, which is that if the CPU and the GPU can't use the fast memory because they aren't powerful enough, then it's kind of irrelevant how much RAM there is. It won't suddenly make everything 1080p60, because the processors might not have the power to push it for complex games.
Someone help me, I don't know much about this stuff. How can extra RAM help?
- Less pop ins?
- Better graphics?
- Better framerate?
[*]Bigger worlds?
[*]Better textures?- Better AI?
- Better physics?
[*]Faster loading games?- Anything else I missed?
Someone help me, I don't know much about this stuff. How can extra RAM help?
- Less pop ins?
- Better graphics?
- Bigger worlds?
- Better textures?
- Faster loading games?
Better graphics is less pop-in, better textures, physics. The RAM spec will directly impact two out of those three. Besides bigger worlds and faster loading times.Someone help me, I don't know much about this stuff. How can extra RAM help?
- Less pop ins?
- Better graphics?
- Better framerate?
- Bigger worlds?
- Better textures?
- Better AI?
- Better physics?
- Faster loading games?
- Anything else I missed?
Someone help me, I don't know much about this stuff. How can extra FAST RAM help?
- Less pop ins? yes
- Better graphics? if we cont better quality textures yes
- Better framerate? Not really it can actually be worse (since additional data need their own CPUGPU time)
- Bigger worlds? no (streaming engines). Better far view ? YES
- Better textures? YES
- Better AI? no
- Better physics? no
- Faster loading games? yes
- Anything else I missed? YES. A lot of alpha (smoke etc) since it is bandwidth hog.
I get what people are saying, which is that if the CPU and the GPU can't use the fast memory because they aren't powerful enough, then it's kind of irrelevant how much RAM there is. It won't suddenly make everything 1080p60, because the processors might not have the power to push it for complex games.
Personally, I see huge advantages in the open world game department. That's obviously where the AAA industry is heading (thank god), and more fast memory like this makes it easier to make a large seamless world happen. Fewer loading screens, background features that don't cost a lot and possibly the memory to make more pretty stuff happen is a great thing.
What I'm worried about is cost and heat. I don't want a 500+ console which blows up after a year or two.
I especially like "I'm doing some calculations here". That's almost "Tighten up the graphics on level 3"-tier.HyperionX has golden quotes in this thread:
That's not an issue. They managed to cool Cell and RSX. A few extra memory chips are child's play in comparison.Sony Engineers: "8GB of GDDR5?!? HOW ARE WE GONNA COOL THIS FUCKING THING?!?"
But then Durango has 32MB of eSRAM. That isn't likely cheap either. It is also said to have a ultra powerful audio chip beyond anything that might be in PS4 (Does the PS4 actually have a dedicated audio chip?) and chips for Kinect?
I think at this point it is swings and roundabouts on cost. This will be settled at E3, price wise.
More everything.
Hahahaha, basically the first part, not the halo part. The image is intended as humor.Wait, he really said that (including Halo)?
I especially like "I'm doing some calculations here". That's almost "Tighten up the graphics on level 3"-tier.
That's not an issue. They managed to cool Cell and RSX. A few extra memory chips are child's play in comparison.