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DarkJC

Member
All the work they put in, and they couldn't include a "don't simulate so much shit" switch to allow for larger sizes? Jesus. EA is horrible.

Comments like this are really stupid. The simulation is at the heart of the game design. You write 'all the work they put in' as if they got lazy and could have easily added such a switch. Sorry you don't agree with their design decision but I don't think they're the stupid ones here.
 
I'm thinking I should cancel my Starcraft II pre-order, I don't think I'll have any time to play with Tomb Raider, SimCity and Fire Emblem taking up my time until Bioshock is out
 

Feep

Banned
Comments like this are really stupid. The simulation is at the heart of the game design. You write 'all the work they put in' as if they got lazy and could have easily added such a switch. Sorry you don't agree with their design decision but I don't think they're the stupid ones here.
Please. The ostensible reason city restrictions are what they are is either because of 1) Outright greed, or 2) Extremely low-level simulation of shit I, and many others, don't give a fuck about. I don't care that Johnny Rivera works four times a week over at the McNamera Complex downtown but on alternate Tuesdays he has to pick up his son from basketball practice but not this week because there's a mild flu going around his school.

Considering the levels of simulation in earlier entries in the franchise, and the approximate tenfold increase in computing power since then, I hardly think it would destroy the game to allow a reasonable city-size. Giving players options is what game design is about.
 

Ronok

Member
Please. The ostensible reason city restrictions are what they are is either because of 1) Outright greed, or 2) Extremely low-level simulation of shit I, and many others, don't give a fuck about. I don't care that Johnny Rivera works four times a week over at the McNamera Complex downtown but on alternate Tuesdays he has to pick up his son from basketball practice but not this week because there's a mild flu going around his school.

Considering the levels of simulation in earlier entries in the franchise, and the approximate tenfold increase in computing power since then, I hardly think it would destroy the game to allow a reasonable city-size. Giving players options is what game design is about.

Then just play an older SimCity...
 

DarkJC

Member
Please. The ostensible reason city restrictions are what they are is either because of 1) Outright greed, or 2) Extremely low-level simulation of shit I, and many others, don't give a fuck about. I don't care that Johnny Rivera works four times a week over at the McNamera Complex downtown but on alternate Tuesdays he has to pick up his son from basketball practice but not this week because there's a mild flu going around his school.

Considering the levels of simulation in earlier entries in the franchise, and the approximate tenfold increase in computing power since then, I hardly think it would destroy the game to allow a reasonable city-size. Giving players options is what game design is about.

The simulation in earlier games of the franchise was completely different. You obviously don't understand the ramifications of how differently the simulation is built this time. It's not about giving a crap what the individual sims do, it's about the emergent gameplay caused by the individuals as a whole that was literally impossible in the previous style of statistical simulation.

You're speaking from a position of total ignorance as to what ramifications a larger size would have, as you obviously don't even understand what's going on under the hood and how much has changed.

Again, not liking the design decision is fine. But spouting 'EA is terrible' and 'why didn't they add a switch' just makes you look dumb.
 
Heh, tutorial glitched and made me wait 3 or so minutes after the meteors hit Lucky Springs before it let me leave with the "Oh No, we better get out of here" message

Alright, made the server if people who signed up for Discovery Delta 2 on Murphey's site want to join. Neotopia is the name but it'd be best to go through the invite system I imagine. Added most of you but ricochetguro on origin as well.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
LOL just got the email that its ready at 3am EST. So basically they lied when they said it would be ready 9pm PST/12 EST and instead its ready at normal time. Fucking assholes.
 

Feep

Banned
The simulation in earlier games of the franchise was completely different. You obviously don't understand the ramifications of how differently the simulation is built this time. It's not about giving a crap what the individual sims do, it's about the emergent gameplay caused by the individuals as a whole that was literally impossible in the previous style of statistical simulation.

You're speaking from a position of total ignorance as to what ramifications a larger size would have, as you obviously don't even understand what's going on under the hood and how much has changed.

Again, not liking the design decision is fine. But spouting 'EA is terrible' and 'why didn't they add a switch' just makes you look dumb.
Well, assuming what someone else told me is true, and that they will offer a larger city size as some form of expansion or DLC or patch, then yes, EA is horrible, as they're either willing to 1) Compromise the simulation to achieve it, or 2) It was possible in the first place to allow a larger city size while not compromising.

So yes, I think I'm justified in saying that. Building a huge metropolis is a major part of the fun for me and many others. Them not allowing it is a perfectly good reason for me to not buy it. And I won't.
 

Stasis

Member
They really could have just said: "We'll be staggering a release of game codes from 12:00-3:00am EST" and no one would be upset.

It's the part where Origin buyers get to sit around waiting for their keys while Amazon somehow managed to not mess anything up.
 
They really could have just said: "We'll be staggering a release of game codes from 12:00-3:00am EST" and no one would be upset.

It's the part where Origin buyers get to sit around waiting for their keys while Amazon somehow managed to not mess anything up.

In fact, Amazon delivered earlier than they told us. What's weird is that the Amazon download was from their servers, so we downloaded tons faster than the Origin folks and didn't need to be staggered.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
They really could have just said: "We'll be staggering a release of game codes from 12:00-3:00am EST" and no one would be upset.

It's the part where Origin buyers get to sit around waiting for their keys while Amazon somehow managed to not mess anything up.

Exactly. I would have been just chilling here playing Dead Space instead of sitting here like a retard pressing refresh.

edit: "Processing Large File: 25%". So yea basically ill get to DL it tonight but not play until tomorrow. If someone creates Discovery Delta 3 please let me know, or else ill create it tomorrow.

Lastly for the record, you do NOT need to keep pressing 'refresh', just wait for the email that says its ready and you are good to go.
 

Ceebs

Member
I preordered in July and it's still locked. This is ridiculous and par for the course for EA.

It really is. I at least learned my lesson. If I had ordered from GMG like I should have I would have had this unlocked with the VPN over 12 hours ago and be playing right now. FOR LESS MONEY.
 
People buying it direct from EA have to wait for their keys to get verified before it shows up as unlocked the download. Yet, people buying it from a third party like Amazon get their keys earlier AND already verified. Really sucks and this will definitely hurt their reputation even more.

And no preload.

EA really screwed the pooch on this one.
 

Nokterian

Member
That the game is not doing a pre load is just dumb. Every single game has it before on Origin and this one doesn't. Well gonna play the game a few weeks after release then when the bugs and kinks are out. Because EA is gonna EA.
 

SRTtoZ

Member
I preordered in July and it's still locked. This is ridiculous and par for the course for EA.

I wanna hug you based on avatar alone. Its all good buddy, you'll get it soon.

Edit:

Holy shit, my game is READY TO PLAY? It took 10 minutes to DL and install...

WTF

Edit2: There is a 30 minute wait time for NA East Coast Server...

Jesus CHRIST. Is there no end to this madness???
 

Stasis

Member
Just got my email and game unlock, 3:10am.

The actual time is totally fine by me since I'm usually up all night anyway and I kind of expect most games to release at 12:00am PST and not EST. It's that they claimed something and then didn't actually respect it, and it's because it's EA. I'd be MUCH more forgiving to a lot of other companies. I'm really not a whiny person. There's just so much consistent fail from them that it's hard to not instantly hate.
 
Well, assuming what someone else told me is true, and that they will offer a larger city size as some form of expansion or DLC or patch, then yes, EA is horrible, as they're either willing to 1) Compromise the simulation to achieve it, or 2) It was possible in the first place to allow a larger city size while not compromising.

So yes, I think I'm justified in saying that. Building a huge metropolis is a major part of the fun for me and many others. Them not allowing it is a perfectly good reason for me to not buy it. And I won't.

No, trust us, your theories are not at all realistic/justified.
Huge metropolis are cool (and everyone want bigger cities soon as possibile) but not at all a major part of being a mayor. Now, with this kind of simulation, you can focus on what really matter.

Trade bigger lots for more depth in the simulation? Yes, please. SimCity is fresh, extremely well done and don't required to uninstall Sim City 4 with all the mods.
 

stufte

Member
FUUUUUUUCCCCKKK YOU Origin! :\

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Feep

Banned
No, trust us, your theories are not at all realistic/justified.
Huge metropolis are cool (and everyone want bigger cities soon as possibile) but not at all a major part of being a mayor. Now, with this kind of simulation, you can focus on what really matter.

Trade bigger lots for more depth in the simulation? Yes, please. SimCity is fresh, extremely well done and don't required to uninstall Sim City 4 with all the mods.
Well, I want a giant city. Whatever reason they have for not allowing it isn't really any of my concern at the moment, though I fail to see what other explanations there could be.
 

Bedlam

Member
Put me in the "I never wanted this" camp.

The city size and the multiple-city concept in general really puts me off. This is more The Sims than Sim City. Also, by using what little space you have available, the city/land cut-off looks unrealistic and jarring. All around disappointing entry in the franchise. Have fun buying dozens of monthly expansions, guys!

edit: Forgot: always-on DRM is another deal-breaker for me. Didn't buy Diablo 3 for that reason (among others) and I'm glad I didn't.
 
Does anyone know how to play with A.I. generated neighbors? I'm not confident enough to go into someone's region and start building so I would rather just play with computers for now. Is that even possible in this game? I can't seem to find an answer.
 

mitheor

Member
Does anyone know how to play with A.I. generated neighbors? I'm not confident enough to go into someone's region and start building so I would rather just play with computers for now. Is that even possible in this game? I can't seem to find an answer.

I´m afraid that´s not possible.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
I think the worst part is that I only see people "online" ingame that are on the same server as me :( Wish there was cross-server interaction, if not games, then at least see them online... sucks that regions are server-bound, splits up the community, kinda :/ We should've probably collectively as GAF decided to all go on ONE server beforehand...
 

SummitAve

Banned
No, trust us, your theories are not at all realistic/justified.
Huge metropolis are cool (and everyone want bigger cities soon as possibile) but not at all a major part of being a mayor. Now, with this kind of simulation, you can focus on what really matter.

Trade bigger lots for more depth in the simulation? Yes, please. SimCity is fresh, extremely well done and don't required to uninstall Sim City 4 with all the mods.

What if as a mayor I want my city to expand rather than just become more dense?
 
People buying it direct from EA have to wait for their keys to get verified before it shows up as unlocked the download. Yet, people buying it from a third party like Amazon get their keys earlier AND already verified. Really sucks and this will definitely hurt their reputation even more.

And no preload.

EA really screwed the pooch on this one.

Not for everyone, I am on the west coast, logged into origin around 11:50PM after watching the quicklook, it was for sale, I purchased it and am 80% done downloading, it went fine without having to wait for any emails. I agree it sucks that they didn't offer pre-loading though.
 
Bizarre, trying to add evilhomer as a friend to give him access to the server and it won't let me send it. Just general server overload?
 

Raide

Member
So I am guessing most people are using VPN and connecting to US servers? No wonder there is a wait. Thing I will hold on a few days. I have seen a few Online gaming rodeos in my time and waiting is the best option.
 
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