ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
No fucking thank you.
Sony, you have my money. Dont fuck it up.
Sony, you have my money. Dont fuck it up.
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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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Codeblew
Member
Yeah, but you can uninstall the driver and disable the device and your laptop still works. You can't do that on a console.
the ability to automatically download and push updates, software, whatever is a new feature of the console. This document is intended for developers... Who kind of need to know these things. That's why its mentioned.
Boss Man
Member
Because:
Xbox:
-Confirmed by doc
-Not yet confirmed depending on your definition of 'always' and your ability to understand insinuation.
-Confirmed by doc
PS4:
-Confirmed
-Confirmed
-Confirmed
-Confirmed
-Confirmed
If the retail console is actually like what is described in the OP, I really don't want one. And I'm a 360 owner since Blue Dragon released.
Always online requirement is an awful concept. Last week we saw how stupid it is with a game like Sim City where the failure is on the server part. Just imagine the things on your side that could go wrong (internet being down, wireless router failure, not being able to play after moving in a new home and so on) or an XBL failure on the scale of the PSN blackout.
The disc install coupled with the above is basically an anti used game gimmick. At that point you are probably better with a gaming PC.
I don't care one bit for Kinect and the PSeye so don't push these down my throat, please.
Always online requirement is an awful concept. Last week we saw how stupid it is with a game like Sim City where the failure is on the server part. Just imagine the things on your side that could go wrong (internet being down, wireless router failure, not being able to play after moving in a new home and so on) or an XBL failure on the scale of the PSN blackout.
The disc install coupled with the above is basically an anti used game gimmick. At that point you are probably better with a gaming PC.
I don't care one bit for Kinect and the PSeye so don't push these down my throat, please.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It's not the case. Not as far as any "legitimate" info has shown so far.
Oh...My.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Do you guys think they will let you install the games and then not need the disc for authentication. That would be really great to just jump game to game since they are all on the HDD without needing the discs.
Granted, that would lead to problems with disc sharing, but if the xbox is meant to be so online oriented, couldn't they verify the game install through online authentication?
Granted, that would lead to problems with disc sharing, but if the xbox is meant to be so online oriented, couldn't they verify the game install through online authentication?
iceatcs
Junior Member
Oh dear. Truth can hurt, but it is only console I have.
[edit] oh wait! I do have working PSP too.
To me it means always on in low power state ready for instant on. The always connected part is about keeping the system up to date....IF an internet connection is available of course. Exactly like the PS4.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Where is activation codes confirmation in the XDK?No,why it need to confirmation since some publisher already do that in this gen?
Hold disc up to Kinect Sensor to read unique barcode
Install game
Throw disc away
Boss Man
Member
Every game has a mandatory install. Physical discs are of no use outside of the initial use.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Install in more than one console then
Some PS3 game already need mandatory install and you still can sell it.
Woah there horsey.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Hold disc up to Kinect Sensor to read unique barcode
Install game
Throw disc away
So simple. Probably right.
Xenon
Member
Just like the PC since every game has a mandatory install. Oh wait no... I need the disk to play, weird.
Codeblew
Member
Well I guess we will find out what the definition of always connected is.
phosphor112
Banned
You get what you pay... oh.
I've posted this twice before, but always-on isn't DRM-related AFAIK, just for background/sleep state downloading. Games will still run if you lose a connection, I believe. This document seems to corroborate a bunch of other stuff I heard.
Plans could've changed in the eight weeks since I've heard this though.
Plans could've changed in the eight weeks since I've heard this though.
Yes, if they are going to allow quick game switching, the disc will not be needed. A game will be purchased via retail and then associated with an account. It is possible that the game would be available for resale via a used game code purchased for that game or something.
Boss Man
Member
That would be neat. Not only could we share / sell games, but we could all have it at the same time! That's certainly a plausible scenario.
Does SimCity?
Cold-Steel
Member
Holy shit. How is this not in a new thread?!
statham
Member
sell 90 million and have core games. sweet.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Huh?you still need disc to play,but you can install it in more than one console,what's the problem with that?just like 360 but require install this time
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but I haven't read through the whole thread. But am I the only one who thinks that screenshot is completely fake? Not to say the information is necessarily incorrect, but the way that help topic is written just seems....un-Microsoft.
It just seems to be written in such an informal way.
"Hardware accelerators, including "move engines" will be added to the console." Why would they feel the need to parenthesise move engines as if it's some foreign concept to devs?
"New depth sensor technology to provide better screen resolution and less noisy depth data". "Less noisy" doesn't exactly sound like the technical term MS would use.
Other words also arouse suspicion, "noncore". Is that even a real word?
Then right near the bottom, a link to "Durango Specs". I'd imagine an official MS document would say "Durango Specifications".
I don't know, maybe I'm just reading way too much into it, but compared to other pieces of MSDN documentation, it definitely seems below their usual formal standards.
It just seems to be written in such an informal way.
"Hardware accelerators, including "move engines" will be added to the console." Why would they feel the need to parenthesise move engines as if it's some foreign concept to devs?
"New depth sensor technology to provide better screen resolution and less noisy depth data". "Less noisy" doesn't exactly sound like the technical term MS would use.
Other words also arouse suspicion, "noncore". Is that even a real word?
Then right near the bottom, a link to "Durango Specs". I'd imagine an official MS document would say "Durango Specifications".
I don't know, maybe I'm just reading way too much into it, but compared to other pieces of MSDN documentation, it definitely seems below their usual formal standards.
Because Sony can protect... oh.
Codeblew
Member
There is a previous rumor that says it has to be online always to function at all. I don't know if it is true or not. It would suck if it is true.
Its first 3 years
iceatcs
Junior Member
RIP Durango.
Once again, people ought to remember that installation portion will be common to both platforms.
People pay for XBL to play online among other things unlike PSN... oh
SMH
People pay for XBL to play online among other things unlike PSN... oh
SMH
Reading the OP it seems like there's nothing that says used games aren't allowed and that there's nothing that says there is online DRM.
What am I missing?
Hopefully Always Online Always Connected is not DRM-related but I think many people are prematurely assuming it is DRM-related. As soon as I read that I automatically assumed something like "Oh, neat, the console will always be on, and it will take just a few seconds to launch apps and games no matter when I decide to use the console."
What am I missing?
Hopefully Always Online Always Connected is not DRM-related but I think many people are prematurely assuming it is DRM-related. As soon as I read that I automatically assumed something like "Oh, neat, the console will always be on, and it will take just a few seconds to launch apps and games no matter when I decide to use the console."
Pretty much how I feel. Trash Kinect and that money should've been used to have superior specs.
I was thinking the same.
EightBitNate
Member
I don't think always online will be a "game changer". I think it'll be a minor inconvenience some of you are blowing out of proportion.
statham
Member
lol whatever., I see through you.
Stop exposing half of this thread.
This could work.
An online pass for used games to be re used.
So Microsoft sees the used disc is FIFA 14. Prompts the buyer to buy a $5 used game pass, gives half that money to EA.
EA would be all over that shit.
XtremeXpider
Member
You're assuming a lot of things, text in the image don't said anything about online required and DRM.
AwakenedCloud
Member
Forced installs is ludicrous, especially if the console really is using blu-ray tech. A 1 TB HDD would probably hold 25-30 games full games; this is excluding HD movies, HD TV series, DLC, Patches, and Downloadable Games. How are they going to make a user-friendly transfer system between consoles, especially for the basic consumers?
I doubt most general consumers are gonna go out and buy a larger HDD after theirs fills up, ultimately putting them on a spending freeze for the console. They better put a huge HDD on the box at launch or this will bite them sooner rather than later.
I doubt most general consumers are gonna go out and buy a larger HDD after theirs fills up, ultimately putting them on a spending freeze for the console. They better put a huge HDD on the box at launch or this will bite them sooner rather than later.
Boss Man
Member
I'm assuming two things.
That the EDGE information (which has been incredibly accurate up to this point) is legit, and that the points in this document that seem to corroborate that information do.