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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
- Thread starter DieH@rd
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Well it's right there in the documentation. It's a leak, not a rumor.
Having to activate a game means you need internet to use it.
everyone ....get ready get set ....GET MAD!!!!
I can careless about that stuff what I would care about is making the system an
only entertainment system sorry xbox I have a computer for that and a phone and a tablet.
I dont want a million device that play netflix ...I want games and cool features that relate to video games. like ps4 streaming my video games spectating my video games.
I can careless about that stuff what I would care about is making the system an
only entertainment system sorry xbox I have a computer for that and a phone and a tablet.
I dont want a million device that play netflix ...I want games and cool features that relate to video games. like ps4 streaming my video games spectating my video games.
he's been pretty cool in the past
but man oh man after this SimCity debacle I hope Microsoft suddenly woke up
Piggus said:
The document is actually open to some interpretation. However, we have had solid rumours from sources that got EVERYTHING right about the PS4 (everything except RAM) and they have also said Xbox Durango needs to always be online to function.
Xenon
Member
Only the fact that their fans seem to come into every MS thread with a generation of salt build-up and try to paint every piece of news in the worst possible light. It is humorous to see how they react to every rumor. This thread is especially funny since many of them are huffing and puffing over something that wasn't confirmed or even stated by the OP, online being required to play games or use the system.
Isn't this the same guy who said that Durango got a CPU spec bump?
pieatorium
Member
And that the WiiU had less than 512 ram for OS iirc
When I was talking about MSDN, I was really only talking about more "official" Microsoft articles. Not blogs etc..
Like this one for Kinect, as an example
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Uno Venova
Banned
Is he? Thought that was proelite.
You can't really paint some of the rumors so far in a negative light, they're just negatives.
Did you take Sonys final years with the Ps2 as an indication of their direction with the PS3?
Or Nintendos with the Cube?
Well iPhone is boring so he's right.
I think that was proelite.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-rt-faq
Sheesh. There are official MS documents and help files that use 'specs'.
perineumlick
Member
Just to touch on the hacking fiasco Sony went through; if for some reason MS does require an Internet connection, and they also block used games, how likely is it that they will be targeted just like Sony was? Heck, what if both are targeted again? If they are forced offline, and the console proves useless without a connection, that could pose big time problems, which is why I'm hesitant to believe they would go that route.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Did you not see when the video was uploaded? He made a mockery of a product based solely on price, when nowadays they are playing catchup to Apple with Windows Phone 8 devices. And how much is the Surface Pro? Near a grand?
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
When online features become same as hardware spec?
Plus the XDK did not mention require online to play games
Raven77
Member
Care to explain what Sony did in the final years of the PS2??? No idea what you're talking about.
Did they release the PS Eye and make shit casual games and then force you to buy one with the PS3?
Nope.
EightBitNate
Member
Those were both handled in sloppily. If MS can do it efficiently, I don't see the problem.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
The Cube? Twilight Princess was released for it in '06.
QuantumDerp
Member
The only thing I want if this console requires "always be connected to internet or be charge with conspiracy", is that the Kinect Camera is able to distinguish my ass from my stomach. Always have that problems with cameras.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47802013&postcount=996
EDIT: lol, damn, faster at searching than I am
Proelite
Member
Nope. I never said anything about that. What I said is that the audio chip is amazing and takes a lot of load off the cpus.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
"Always online, always connected"
Save us Sony, you're out only hope!
Ok and maybe Nintendo too...
Save us Sony, you're out only hope!
Ok and maybe Nintendo too...
Vestal
Gold Member
Wow.. Never heard of faking a screenshot? Seriously, like I've stated a few times in this thread what is written in that screenshot makes absolutely no sense given the audience it is supposedly intended for. Not to mention that it is not written with the usual style of Microsoft documentation..
I'll say it again, Microsoft is too bombastic to simply say hey "its more powerful than our 8 year old console"
All 3 players are almost always being targeted and it will continue to be so. The possibility of an impending hack resulting in the inability to play games at all offline would lead to unspeakable amount of backlash.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Rumor Durango XDK-Always on,Always connected
GAF reads-Always online,Always connected
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Is that somehow a problem on the 360 with it's install system? Installed games still require the disc to be present even though no information is read from disc. You can actually remove the disc after the game has started if your system is in pieces.
The system will simply require the disc to be present to confirm it's ownership.
Tallshortman
Member
Another problem is if the include a small hard drive. I think we all know MS will try and rape their customers with proprietary hard drives.
Codeblew
Member
Fixed that up for you.
Seriously, there is going to be a crow feast no matter which way it ends up going.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Here's the thing. The idea that one of the console manufactures would require you to be connected to the internet for it to function is as about as realistic as one of the big 3 consoles with no physical media. We're just not there yet and the market they would have to cut off to achieve it is too large.
Nintendo already went the 'always weak sauce hardware' route. And I am not certain if Sony will avoid all these steps MS is taking either. I sure hope they won't but I am keeping my fingers crossed until E3
it could be an attempt to dumb it down for all them crazy indies
block tower
Member
its looking that way by each new leaked detail. could you imagine the marketing its going to take to convey exactly what this console will entail to the "Kinect, Madden, Call of Duty" crowd.
Fucking hell. Aside from all the other examples I've posted, the first result returned by Google bring up this MSDN article.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj131033.aspx
Doc says discs have no use after initial install. This includes checking for copy protection. Which means online will be used for drm.
Beerman462
Member
Didn't mean to quote the used game part (because I do no believe it will be anything other than a online pass mechanism if anything at all).Online to play is horeshit until there is actually a factual document stating this.
I was arguing with the idea that Sony's beefier hardware would be a ticket to win anything. MS is playing thier cards close to their chest. PSN spent this generation trying to catch up with LIVE, I expect a repeat.
MS is good at getting people to want to purchase their system (In the US anyways)
Joe Six pack might not follow the system wars, but he usually knows who does. In my case, people know that I play games, they know that I follow this stuff closely, and they ask me things like..."Is kinect good?" "Do you think the PS4 is better than the 720?" Maybe thats not the case with a majority of people, but in my experience it is.
Syphon Filter
Member
principle
That is in the side bar, here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh855355.aspx, where that link is actually listed in the main article, it is spelled out completely. Such as in the screenshot.
Raven77
Member
Lol.
No, always online could also equate to no used games. As in, put the disc in, it verifies its the same console that it was "registered" on, then you get to play.
That is a huge deal.
Wasn't there a number recently that talked about what percentage of Xboxs were actually online? I forget the number, but it was not an insignificant percentage. A quick Google shows that around 20% have never been connected online at all, even for hardware updates. And there's less than half the amount of Xbox Live accounts as there are Xbox 360s.
I personally have a friend who lives out in the country, and is on satellite internet, with an extremely limited bandwidth cap. He'll never be able to keep any console online at all times. They'll be lucky if he plugs it in once a month to check for firmware updates, much less things like game patches and DLC that will hit his daily cap without even trying.
My point is, I highly doubt they'll cut out such a large portion of their current install base by requiring an always-on connection. I imagine that the "online Xbox" will be an "ideal" that they'll strive for, if users really want to use the system to it's full potential, but it won't actually be a requirement. That's how Sony's playing it.. Lots of online features, but all of it's optional.
My larger concern is the Kinect. I don't like the idea of having a camera that can be turned on at any time, with or without my knowledge. I have a sneaking suspicion that the system will balk if you attempt to cover the Kinect, point it at a wall, or in any way impede its ability to see you or hear you, even if you're not playing a game that uses it (although I think MS will push all developers to use it on every damned game they make). Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about that on Sony's side, too, since they're packing the new Eye-whatever in with PS4. But they've said nothing about requiring it, and I'll probably do what I do with my PS Eye now.. I unplug it entirely unless I'm actually playing a game that uses the Move.
I personally have a friend who lives out in the country, and is on satellite internet, with an extremely limited bandwidth cap. He'll never be able to keep any console online at all times. They'll be lucky if he plugs it in once a month to check for firmware updates, much less things like game patches and DLC that will hit his daily cap without even trying.
My point is, I highly doubt they'll cut out such a large portion of their current install base by requiring an always-on connection. I imagine that the "online Xbox" will be an "ideal" that they'll strive for, if users really want to use the system to it's full potential, but it won't actually be a requirement. That's how Sony's playing it.. Lots of online features, but all of it's optional.
My larger concern is the Kinect. I don't like the idea of having a camera that can be turned on at any time, with or without my knowledge. I have a sneaking suspicion that the system will balk if you attempt to cover the Kinect, point it at a wall, or in any way impede its ability to see you or hear you, even if you're not playing a game that uses it (although I think MS will push all developers to use it on every damned game they make). Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about that on Sony's side, too, since they're packing the new Eye-whatever in with PS4. But they've said nothing about requiring it, and I'll probably do what I do with my PS Eye now.. I unplug it entirely unless I'm actually playing a game that uses the Move.
Well all the games studios they've been opening up and the talent they've been hiring lately would point to them targeting gamers.
And by "every new leaked detail" you mean the same "leaked details" we've been getting for the last month.
Or CD Key-esque, which would mean one time internet connection.
I doubt Box will require internet connection tho. The infrastructure just isn't there yet.
mh... Satellite 3G X-Box activator stick that can Microsoft sell for 30$ and costs additional 1$ per use?!
You heard it here first folks.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Ummm, that's interesting, I think that's a valid trade off tbh, I really hate dealing with discs and this will allow me to go digital without having to pay digital prices.