Are hard disks read-only memory or something?
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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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Are hard disks read-only memory or something?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They're just rewriting old rumours at this point. It's kind of sad.
phosphor112
Banned
What's Sony have to do with it? MS is the only one that has a paywall. I've heard arguments that XBL is better than even Steam with the mantra of "You get what you pay for."
Read the article.
Get SSN from third party and use social engineering to get access to sensitive info. A standard intrusion attempt, certainly not a "hack" in the traditional sense.
SimCity and Diablo III say hi.
On Gaf, Joe 6 pack will not have a clue or give a flying fuck about any of that.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Cool, glad you agree with me.
I think people would feel far more comfortable once the implication of how much functionality pertaining to and beyond games is tied to being "always online". If it was like the 360 then there would have been no reason to beat that drum. That's why people here are assuming "always online" with "always online only DRM".
MikeE21286
Member
I didn't see where that was confirmed. Did I miss it?
LOL What? Joe 6 Pack is going to notice if he wasn't able to go to Gamestop and pick up the next CoD used and play it on his Durango. He'll also notice if he isn't able to play a game he paid for because his internet is temporarily down. Let's not be obtuse here.
It's not
Sometimes my ISP can be down for various reasons. Not often but if I'm unable to play because of it I wouldn't be very happy.
This is why this rumor is bullshit. Just wouldn't make sense, always online like the wii sounds like what is happening here. Not some DRM bullshit.
What? Do you own a 360?
Iacobellis
Junior Member
So, are single player games going to be non-existent on the 720? I mean, it's been like that for a couple years on the 360 now... Speaking in terms of first party, of course.
It's seems pretty standard MS help file text to me. Technical stuff won't get eye balled by PR types, and will be written directly by developers/engineers. While MS certainly have in house style formats, nothing about the XDK text make me think it looked fake.
A quick search on TechNet (MS's offical help / documentation site) returns 4,960 articles with the term 'specs' in.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search/en-AU?query=specs&ac=4
1,110 articles on TechNet with noncore!
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search/en-AU?query=noncore&ac=4
Correct, calling these people hackers is a bit misleading in my opinion.
What?
AwakenedCloud
Member
I for one would prefer not to reinstall games I've installed in the past, especially if all the data needed is on a disc I own sitting in the console.
I'm not saying that the rumor is true because as someone who owns a 360 and possibly will be getting Durango, I wouldn't have anything else to do with MS if they had some online DRM bullshit attached. I already know how that feels with games on Steam and I'll be damned if I'm apart of that on consoles. However, where there's smoke there's fire, we gotta keep an eye on this as we get more news.
Wow, way to miss the point. And given how you just painted me as a troll without having the foresight to understand how your comment may have been interpret by another reader, welcome to the ignore list.
Oh and pertaining to data protection, the PSN hack fiasco is well known thanks to Sony's incompetence shown through outdated and lax security. People always assumed that being a paid service an added layer of intrinsic security would be added to XBL that would prove to be more effective compared to their competitor. Goes to show that nothing is truly unhackable given enough time.
I think he is trolling.
Didn't mean to quote the used game part (because I do no believe it will be anything other than a online pass mechanism if anything at all).Online to play is horeshit until there is actually a factual document stating this.
I was arguing with the idea that Sony's beefier hardware would be a ticket to win anything. MS is playing thier cards close to their chest. PSN spent this generation trying to catch up with LIVE, I expect a repeat.
MS is good at getting people to want to purchase their system (In the US anyways
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Boss Man
Member
Well this document itself is not confirmed, which is why I specified that.
But if installs are required and content cannot be read from disc, how would physical copies not come with an activation code or something equivalent? Are you going to be able to use one disc to install games on anyone's console?
edit: Well I guess they could require you to have the disc in the machine. But then always-online becomes pointless, then again I guess that's not confirmed either. That makes two that are down to EDGE vs. tiny details. We'll see I suppose.
You've searched everything, including forums and blogs.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com...mentChanges=60,85&pageNumber=1&showMore=false
Raven77
Member
Ahhhh Microsoft.
You made me such a believer with the Xbox, and the Xbox 360 started so strong...
Always online, games not using the disc, forcing me to buy Crapnect...
I'll wait for your official unveiling where you try so desperately to convince me that you still care about gamers before passing final judgement though. We'll see...we'll see.
You made me such a believer with the Xbox, and the Xbox 360 started so strong...
Always online, games not using the disc, forcing me to buy Crapnect...
I'll wait for your official unveiling where you try so desperately to convince me that you still care about gamers before passing final judgement though. We'll see...we'll see.
Didn't mean to quote the used game part (because I do no believe it will be anything other than a online pass mechanism if anything at all).Online to play is horeshit until there is actually a factual document stating this.
I was arguing with the idea that Sony's beefier hardware would be a ticket to win anything. MS is playing thier cards close to their chest. PSN spent this generation trying to catch up with LIVE, I expect a repeat.
MS is good at getting people to want to purchase their system (In the US anyways
I don't. Outside of universal party chat (which is now on the Vita) and a few other things, PSN is just about on full parity with XBL. That's why the real battle of this generation is going to be about services and how everything connects with one another. Sony is taking the right steps for the next-gen PSN and we'll have to see what MS brings come time for the Durango reveal.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Software feature are way different,especially if they misunderstand it.
Fair enough, but my point stands. There are still over 4000 official MS articles with 'specs' in though.
Of course there will be. As for 360's lack of 1st party games... Durango was originally supposed to launch over a year ago. Everything had switched over They had to coast on 3rd party support which is strong.
MikeE21286
Member
The Xbox 360, to my recollection, has game installs which do not read the game from the disc yet require the disc in the tray for security checks.
Not one "master" disc, only the disc associated with the game you would want to install and play.
A little off topic, but interestingly enough, their search seems to be pulling up things that mention "specifications" or "specs" when doing a search with "specs". I have been looking and have yet to find a documentation page that has "specs" in it. At least ones that are not in field or method names. Granted, I have only clicked about 30 or so.
perineumlick
Member
Sometimes people expose themselves when they try to expose others, which seems like the case here.
Boy, these console wars are gonna be special all over again next gen.
Stripper13
Member
So is there going to be a crow eating thread for anyone who believed that Durango will require a constant internet connection to play games?
The notion is entirely ludicrous - Microsoft is not going to severely limit their prospective userbase (and possibly entire regions of countries) by doing something that is already well-documented as archaic and negative for consumers.
Seriously - I know some of you are just basing it off rumours, and some simply because they think Microsoft is some entity of evil... but just think for a minute - the fact that anyone believes this is ridiculous.
The notion is entirely ludicrous - Microsoft is not going to severely limit their prospective userbase (and possibly entire regions of countries) by doing something that is already well-documented as archaic and negative for consumers.
Seriously - I know some of you are just basing it off rumours, and some simply because they think Microsoft is some entity of evil... but just think for a minute - the fact that anyone believes this is ridiculous.
I think this is all great EXCEPT... they damned well better not have to make me have the disc in the drive to launch a game.
Especially if I need to have my machine in front of me for Kinect instead of next to me to change discs easily
exactly
It's not going to be REQUIRED to play game unless you don't want to use the disc (like I suggest above) so it can go online and verify my ownership etc... but it just reduces some FEATURES, not block games.... that would be stupid and MS is not stupid no matter how badly some people want them to be.
Especially if I need to have my machine in front of me for Kinect instead of next to me to change discs easily
exactly
It's not going to be REQUIRED to play game unless you don't want to use the disc (like I suggest above) so it can go online and verify my ownership etc... but it just reduces some FEATURES, not block games.... that would be stupid and MS is not stupid no matter how badly some people want them to be.
Here's a couple of game related ones:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905588
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/africaapps/archive/2013/03/18/kinect-1-7-sdk-what-are-we-waiting-for.aspx
And it's not even E3 time yet.
Not exactly. The search engine looks for 'specs' and related terms, which can translate to 'specifications' as a full word or even something like 'requirements'. I've been through the first 10 pages and there isn't a single title using 'specs'. On the other hand, searching for 'specifications':
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Search/en-AU?query=specifications&refinement=60,85&ac=4
Brings up a whole bunch of exact matches. I'm going to guess that 'specs' isn't ever (or is very rarely) used in Microsoft's formal documentation.
Raven77
Member
Lololol, you think MS is still targeting gamers?
Do you really think people who's idea of a hardcore game is Plants VS Zombies or Kinect Sports is going to even UNDERSTAND what an "always online" console means and the ramifications it brings???
What has MS done in the past 3 years to make you think that they still have you at the top of their priority list? I'm genuinely, truly curious.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I like being able to play right away so the always on is not a problem for me and neither is always connected because my consoles are right now anyways. If there is a connection loss that is where the problem will unfold. That's why I don't believe this will be a Simcity situation where a connection is always required. It will probably be something along the lines of what Steam does now where you verify your content but can still access them offline.
A hard drive in every system is pretty much a given and makes the most sense. We'll have enough time to evaluate the system once we get hard facts and the time it actually releases to the public. No point in getting too upset or too excited just yet.
A hard drive in every system is pretty much a given and makes the most sense. We'll have enough time to evaluate the system once we get hard facts and the time it actually releases to the public. No point in getting too upset or too excited just yet.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
This. 360 started out very strong, but Project Natal is went it all slowly went downhill.
Goddamn.Well, we know the EyeToy is going to be used to do a lot of the same things Kinect is doing re: THE OS, so it seems pretty essential in a lot of ways. But Sony seems to be taking the "oh you can do this too, but you don't have to" approach to designing their system, where Microsoft so far seems to be designing things with the "fuck you, you're going to do it and like it" approach, so I'm crossing my fingers I can toss EyeToy in the garbage the second I get my Ps4.
I don't find the continued ruination of the industry too amusing, Router.
The only solace I take is that the Kinect fad has already come and gone, its horrific library speaks for itself, and like Wii U there's no new factor and it won't sell systems. So I hope, if Microsoft goes this route, they flop as hard as Wii U.
That said, they'll probably try to buy their way to victory with another $500 million dollar marketing campaign and send their army of mindless low standard know nothings to defend their shitty tech on forums and on game journalist websites and we'll be stuck with another gen of developers shoehorning their unrefined gimmicks into every bulletpointed, focus and boardroom tested, MODERN AAA disaster game that exists.
I hope you're correct. However, consider the fact that MS has absolute hard numbers on the number of unique gold live accounts currently active. If those people are online every time they play and MS are confident that they get a large percentage of those people on XB3 as well (enough for proper ROI) then implementation of that mandate may not be so unrealistic if it nets them greater revenue and other third party related perks.
statham
Member
why?